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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 19, 2023 18:56:14 GMT
Not specifically to do with Covid but I see they're already letting us know what they've got planned for us in the coming years.
... The things coming out of Davos this year could help you make some great bad guys for Hollywood films.
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Post by henry on Jan 19, 2023 21:07:35 GMT
Not specifically to do with Covid but I see they're already letting us know what they've got planned for us in the coming years. ... The things coming out of Davos this year could help you make some great bad guys for Hollywood films. That man is a fucking shit stain on humanity.
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Post by Northy on Jan 19, 2023 21:45:53 GMT
Not specifically to do with Covid but I see they're already letting us know what they've got planned for us in the coming years. ... The things coming out of Davos this year could help you make some great bad guys for Hollywood films. That fooker wants a long drop with a short rope
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Post by noustie on Jan 20, 2023 9:42:23 GMT
The 2023 remake of Dennis Pennis isn't as funny but no less surreal.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 23, 2023 3:07:31 GMT
I see Moderna are now looking to charge $130 for a jab that costs $2.85 to produce! No wonder they want governments to allow them to jab kids that don’t need it. Has this jab even been approved for use in Europe or is it still being used under temporary authorisation? It is absolute bullshit, just like I complained about Pfizer doing the same before. But... those are the private market costs in the US. If insurance companies pay for it then they're sure the health benefits are more than the vaccine price. If one jab now is worth $130 when almost everyone already has some immunity, imagine how much benefit the first round had!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 23, 2023 3:28:37 GMT
I've done research methods modules once or twice so I get that but in order to disprove X you have to test it - not go 'look at Y,Z and A though over here!' On South Africa not really sure what picking the two figures out of the air is looking at and wasn't my suggestion - I could equally say South Africa performed better than expected given much lower vaccine uptake or given their far higher levels of poverty or their far higher ethic minority (being the overall majority). The age thing is a bit of misnomer too because the spaceship off Cocoon doesn't whisk any South African over 60 off to a different planet. My point was that by measuring trends in individual countries in Europe over 5 years then tracing recent divergence from the norm and comparing that across Europe doesn't automatically mean it's comparing apples with apples but it gives a hypothesis to work towards that you are. The other point was if we're saying Covid causes heart attacks then surely the perfect place to look into this is South Africa with their low vaccine rate and the Omicron virus ripping through - if there isn't an increase in heart attacks in comparison to previous years then surely the question is why not especially as it seems middle aged men are the most susceptible so the lower age profile of the country is less of a factor? On South Korea think there's a recent paper out that had excess deaths following Omicron at 25k which again would on the face of it appear to be a perfect place to test the vaccine's efficacy against the new strain. In previous waves there had been strict lockdown in place so this was potentially the first real societal exposure and can see how they coped without natural immunity being built up. The Pfizer stuff coming out from Twitter is deeply concerning too surely from a trust perspective? I wasn't trying to say 100% anything with the S Africa! Just that it rules out some possibilities. The way I see it, every single country where I look at the data, it fits with what the medical experts & scientists have been saying. Can understand the numbers with four facts: 1) covid deadliness depends on age, weight, health etc. Brits are more vulnerable than e.g. S Africans or Peruvians on average because of age & obesity. 2) For the UK the OG strain death rate was roughly 1 % if you don't overwhelm hospitals. 3) vaccines reduce deaths from a first infectino by 90+% 4) COVID causes more heart problems than the vaccines, but the vaccines cause a small number and rates depend on age & sex. I've spent plenty of time watching YouTubers or reading blogs that try to say otherwise, but no country I've seen anywhere rules out any of the 4 above. But if you look at e.g. those S Korean blog numbers then either: (i) S Koreans are special or (ii) vaccines can't be killing large numbers of people, so any of the death surges in other countries cannot be because of the vaccines. None of that answers what's going on with excess deaths now I don't think, but a lot of the bloggers or YouTubers say stuff that just can't be true based on the data.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 23, 2023 11:39:59 GMT
I see Moderna are now looking to charge $130 for a jab that costs $2.85 to produce! No wonder they want governments to allow them to jab kids that don’t need it. Has this jab even been approved for use in Europe or is it still being used under temporary authorisation? It is absolute bullshit, just like I complained about Pfizer doing the same before. But... those are the private market costs in the US. If insurance companies pay for it then they're sure the health benefits are more than the vaccine price. If one jab now is worth $130 when almost everyone already has some immunity, imagine how much benefit the first round had! Not much if you’re a kid…
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Post by jack1 on Jan 23, 2023 12:43:06 GMT
I've done research methods modules once or twice so I get that but in order to disprove X you have to test it - not go 'look at Y,Z and A though over here!' On South Africa not really sure what picking the two figures out of the air is looking at and wasn't my suggestion - I could equally say South Africa performed better than expected given much lower vaccine uptake or given their far higher levels of poverty or their far higher ethic minority (being the overall majority). The age thing is a bit of misnomer too because the spaceship off Cocoon doesn't whisk any South African over 60 off to a different planet. My point was that by measuring trends in individual countries in Europe over 5 years then tracing recent divergence from the norm and comparing that across Europe doesn't automatically mean it's comparing apples with apples but it gives a hypothesis to work towards that you are. The other point was if we're saying Covid causes heart attacks then surely the perfect place to look into this is South Africa with their low vaccine rate and the Omicron virus ripping through - if there isn't an increase in heart attacks in comparison to previous years then surely the question is why not especially as it seems middle aged men are the most susceptible so the lower age profile of the country is less of a factor? On South Korea think there's a recent paper out that had excess deaths following Omicron at 25k which again would on the face of it appear to be a perfect place to test the vaccine's efficacy against the new strain. In previous waves there had been strict lockdown in place so this was potentially the first real societal exposure and can see how they coped without natural immunity being built up. The Pfizer stuff coming out from Twitter is deeply concerning too surely from a trust perspective? I wasn't trying to say 100% anything with the S Africa! Just that it rules out some possibilities. The way I see it, every single country where I look at the data, it fits with what the medical experts & scientists have been saying. Can understand the numbers with four facts: 1) covid deadliness depends on age, weight, health etc. Brits are more vulnerable than e.g. S Africans or Peruvians on average because of age & obesity. 2) For the UK the OG strain death rate was roughly 1 % if you don't overwhelm hospitals. 3) vaccines reduce deaths from a first infectino by 90+% 4) COVID causes more heart problems than the vaccines, but the vaccines cause a small number and rates depend on age & sex. I've spent plenty of time watching YouTubers or reading blogs that try to say otherwise, but no country I've seen anywhere rules out any of the 4 above. But if you look at e.g. those S Korean blog numbers then either: (i) S Koreans are special or (ii) vaccines can't be killing large numbers of people, so any of the death surges in other countries cannot be because of the vaccines. None of that answers what's going on with excess deaths now I don't think, but a lot of the bloggers or YouTubers say stuff that just can't be true based on the data. The "death" rate has never been anywhere near 1%, more like 0.03% and half of those probably fell off a ladder (i.e. died with Covid not of Covid)
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 23, 2023 15:23:24 GMT
I’m surprised that this thread is not finished. Has anyone actually had a difference of opinion based on the 2,679 pages of text in this thread?
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2023 15:25:18 GMT
I wasn't trying to say 100% anything with the S Africa! Just that it rules out some possibilities. The way I see it, every single country where I look at the data, it fits with what the medical experts & scientists have been saying. Can understand the numbers with four facts: 1) covid deadliness depends on age, weight, health etc. Brits are more vulnerable than e.g. S Africans or Peruvians on average because of age & obesity. 2) For the UK the OG strain death rate was roughly 1 % if you don't overwhelm hospitals. 3) vaccines reduce deaths from a first infectino by 90+% 4) COVID causes more heart problems than the vaccines, but the vaccines cause a small number and rates depend on age & sex. I've spent plenty of time watching YouTubers or reading blogs that try to say otherwise, but no country I've seen anywhere rules out any of the 4 above. But if you look at e.g. those S Korean blog numbers then either: (i) S Koreans are special or (ii) vaccines can't be killing large numbers of people, so any of the death surges in other countries cannot be because of the vaccines. None of that answers what's going on with excess deaths now I don't think, but a lot of the bloggers or YouTubers say stuff that just can't be true based on the data. The "death" rate has never been anywhere near 1%, more like 0.03% and half of those probably fell off a ladder (i.e. died with Covid not of Covid) I'd like to see your data to back up that assumption of people falling off ladders ? I think we all understand that covid alone didn't kill the majority outright, there were many contributing factors with people's health, but covid was the final piece of the jigsaw that the body couldn't take, Diabetes was the largest group affected, lets hope research into how that and others affected the body is happening and not dismissing it as if it didn't happen.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2023 19:23:38 GMT
We have an unusually high number of people at work who’ve had what could be described as heavy cold for at least 4 weeks at work, they just can’t seem to shift it. I do wonder if it could be A - a lack of natural immunity due to months spent locked indoors during Covid or B - a side effect of the dodgy at best innoculations given
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Post by superjw on Jan 23, 2023 19:28:18 GMT
We have an unusually high number of people at work who’ve had what could be described as heavy cold for at least 4 weeks at work, they just can’t seem to shift it. I do wonder if it could be A - a lack of natural immunity due to months spent locked indoors during Covid or B - a side effect of the dodgy at best innoculations given That was me before Xmas, I had a mild at best cold and could not shake the "unwell" feeling for 4 weeks. Went on with my business just fine but I felt like shit for a while after. For what it's worth, almost immediately after my second jab last year I had awful abdominal pain that lasted for about a week. No vomiting so it wasn't a sickness bug and nobody else got it, just searing pain. I've not been 100% since then. Was it the jab? Who knows - wont have any more obviously
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2023 19:29:55 GMT
We have an unusually high number of people at work who’ve had what could be described as heavy cold for at least 4 weeks at work, they just can’t seem to shift it. I do wonder if it could be A - a lack of natural immunity due to months spent locked indoors during Covid or B - a side effect of the dodgy at best innoculations given That was me before Xmas, I had a mild at best cold and could not shake the "unwell" feeling for 4 weeks. Went on with my business just fine but I felt like shit for a while after. For what it's worth, almost immediately after my second jab last year I had awful abdominal pain that lasted for about a week. No vomiting so it wasn't a sickness bug and nobody else got it, just searing pain. I've not been 100% since then. Was it the jab? Who knows - wont have any more obviously Interesting. I must admit ever since I can’t think of any time I’ve felt close to 100% right.
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Post by bjarnig on Jan 23, 2023 20:42:03 GMT
That was me before Xmas, I had a mild at best cold and could not shake the "unwell" feeling for 4 weeks. Went on with my business just fine but I felt like shit for a while after. For what it's worth, almost immediately after my second jab last year I had awful abdominal pain that lasted for about a week. No vomiting so it wasn't a sickness bug and nobody else got it, just searing pain. I've not been 100% since then. Was it the jab? Who knows - wont have any more obviously Interesting. I must admit ever since I can’t think of any time I’ve felt close to 100% right. It's the jab. Killing lots now. I'm jab free at 48 but my friends have all suffered badly. Reap what you sow unfortunately
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 23, 2023 23:31:13 GMT
We have an unusually high number of people at work who’ve had what could be described as heavy cold for at least 4 weeks at work, they just can’t seem to shift it. I do wonder if it could be A - a lack of natural immunity due to months spent locked indoors during Covid or B - a side effect of the dodgy at best innoculations given That was me before Xmas, I had a mild at best cold and could not shake the "unwell" feeling for 4 weeks. Went on with my business just fine but I felt like shit for a while after. For what it's worth, almost immediately after my second jab last year I had awful abdominal pain that lasted for about a week. No vomiting so it wasn't a sickness bug and nobody else got it, just searing pain. I've not been 100% since then. Was it the jab? Who knows - wont have any more obviously Perhaps it was gastritis?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 23, 2023 23:46:56 GMT
It is absolute bullshit, just like I complained about Pfizer doing the same before. But... those are the private market costs in the US. If insurance companies pay for it then they're sure the health benefits are more than the vaccine price. If one jab now is worth $130 when almost everyone already has some immunity, imagine how much benefit the first round had! Not much if you’re a kid… Think you're right. It'll be interesting to see what the insurance companies decide they'll cover.
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Post by musik on Jan 24, 2023 0:13:50 GMT
Was it the jab? Who knows - wont have any more obviously Glad you're better! Me neither, had enormous heart pain (and some kidney pain) after each of the three vaccine injections. Probably myocarditis. Plus 8-10 other side effects, one were huge sweating. Reported, but gives a f@ck?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 25, 2023 19:23:18 GMT
Britain's universal Covid vaccine programme will be wound down this year as the country settles into post-pandemic life.
Under-50s were today urged to come forward to take up the offer of a booster jab before the scheme is finally axed.
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Meanwhile, healthy adults under the age of 50 who have not taken up the offer of a booster have been given just two-and-a-half weeks to take up the offer before they are no longer eligible.
Invites will be taken away on February 12.
The panel also said the UK should end its universal offer of first and second doses this year, although it did not recommend a timeline.
This means that only certain people will be eligible for the primary course of the vaccine —- the first and second jabs — at certain times of the year.Link.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 25, 2023 19:40:49 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64338770And yet only a year ago we were being advised to open the windows in granny’s house. Follow the science until it’s not the science I’m seriously regretting getting vaccinated but so glad I didn’t bow to the intense pressure and get my kids vaccinated
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 25, 2023 20:28:07 GMT
Britain's universal Covid vaccine programme will be wound down this year as the country settles into post-pandemic life.
Under-50s were today urged to come forward to take up the offer of a booster jab before the scheme is finally axed.
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Meanwhile, healthy adults under the age of 50 who have not taken up the offer of a booster have been given just two-and-a-half weeks to take up the offer before they are no longer eligible.
Invites will be taken away on February 12.
The panel also said the UK should end its universal offer of first and second doses this year, although it did not recommend a timeline.
This means that only certain people will be eligible for the primary course of the vaccine —- the first and second jabs — at certain times of the year.Link. What a fucking waste of nearly 3 years. Looking back, some of the shit we went through if you didn’t laugh you’d cry. Absolutely preposterous. And now the NHS is fucked (not that it wasn’t well on the way before), hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs, record suicide rates, homelessness, thousands of life threatening illnesses untreated leading to unnecessary death, huge upsurge in mental health issues, broken marriages, children deprived of education. I could go on and on and on and for what? The fucking Chinese and media scum and politicians have destroyed the world as we once knew it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 25, 2023 20:54:32 GMT
I remember vividly being out for a summer walk when we were only allowed to leave our homes for an hour a day or whatever it was and folk walking around in the open air with masks on and crossing the road so as to avoid being within a few metres of someone else. I’m so annoyed I allowed it into my regime, in fact it makes me absolutely livid I allowed myself to be lured into this absolute tyranny. Just goes to show how easily it’s done. People will not be fooled again, rational people at least
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 25, 2023 21:19:10 GMT
Don’t know anything about these guys but if they’re right Gates made a fortune from selling BioNTech shares and has now changed his tune on the vax saying now that they are not infection blocking, don’t protect against new variants and the protection doesn’t last long anyway.
The more that comes out on the jab it looks increasingly likely that we were sold a pig, hopefully no serious long term damage ensues
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 26, 2023 9:46:34 GMT
I remember vividly being out for a summer walk when we were only allowed to leave our homes for an hour a day or whatever it was and folk walking around in the open air with masks on and crossing the road so as to avoid being within a few metres of someone else. I’m so annoyed I allowed it into my regime, in fact it makes me absolutely livid I allowed myself to be lured into this absolute tyranny. Just goes to show how easily it’s done. People will not be fooled again, rational people at least I can forgive the initial 2020 reaction - nobody had any real idea of what we were dealing with and hospitals were overflowing in Italy. It's the rest of the farce I have a big problem with - the demonization of anybody with contrary opinions, vaccine sceptics etc. It was a disgrace.
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Post by henry on Jan 26, 2023 10:08:58 GMT
I remember vividly being out for a summer walk when we were only allowed to leave our homes for an hour a day or whatever it was and folk walking around in the open air with masks on and crossing the road so as to avoid being within a few metres of someone else. I’m so annoyed I allowed it into my regime, in fact it makes me absolutely livid I allowed myself to be lured into this absolute tyranny. Just goes to show how easily it’s done. People will not be fooled again, rational people at least I can forgive the initial 2020 reaction - nobody had any real idea of what we were dealing with and hospitals were overflowing in Italy. It's the rest of the farce I have a big problem with - the demonization of anybody with contrary opinions, vaccine sceptics etc. It was a disgrace. Yep, 3 weeks to flatten the curve ended in almost compulsory vaccinations to live a normal life.
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Post by superjw on Jan 26, 2023 10:25:14 GMT
I remember vividly being out for a summer walk when we were only allowed to leave our homes for an hour a day or whatever it was and folk walking around in the open air with masks on and crossing the road so as to avoid being within a few metres of someone else. I’m so annoyed I allowed it into my regime, in fact it makes me absolutely livid I allowed myself to be lured into this absolute tyranny. Just goes to show how easily it’s done. People will not be fooled again, rational people at least It showed exactly how easily populations can be so easily subdued and controlled. It's not quite the same but it's the same technique used in 1930s Germany before the terrible events unfolded. Unfortunately people said what happened after that time would never happen again and unfortunately it did, just across many countries and on a much bigger scale. It's scary really what governments and authorities are capable of outside the realms of atrocities on their people. I'm almost certain something similar will happen again in the near future - take away X freedom and make the people do Y to get them back. My own bet is finance/banking
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Post by riverman on Jan 26, 2023 12:36:10 GMT
I remember vividly being out for a summer walk when we were only allowed to leave our homes for an hour a day or whatever it was and folk walking around in the open air with masks on and crossing the road so as to avoid being within a few metres of someone else. I’m so annoyed I allowed it into my regime, in fact it makes me absolutely livid I allowed myself to be lured into this absolute tyranny. Just goes to show how easily it’s done. People will not be fooled again, rational people at least It showed exactly how easily populations can be so easily subdued and controlled. It's not quite the same but it's the same technique used in 1930s Germany before the terrible events unfolded. Unfortunately people said what happened after that time would never happen again and unfortunately it did, just across many countries and on a much bigger scale. It's scary really what governments and authorities are capable of outside the realms of atrocities on their people. I'm almost certain something similar will happen again in the near future - take away X freedom and make the people do Y to get them back. My own bet is finance/banking If not that then certainly climate issues. Already starting with 15 minute city trials and Khan's ludicrous ULEZ proposals.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 26, 2023 12:48:14 GMT
Just giving the other side. I've had five jabs and even though I'm old and knackered, I've never caught Covid and never suffered any side effects from the jabs. I see it much like the Flu jabs where some have a small bout of Flu after the jab but most don't suffer from anything except an aching arm.
I see the bodies are piling up in China since they ended lockdown. Obviously, that lot won't release any meaningful and true figures, but we'll know in a couple years just how lethal it's been for them going from over-restricted lockdowns into almost open freedom at the stroke of a pen.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 26, 2023 13:19:09 GMT
Just giving the other side. I've had five jabs and even though I'm old and knackered, I've never caught Covid and never suffered any side effects from the jabs. I see it much like the Flu jabs where some have a small bout of Flu after the jab but most don't suffer from anything except an aching arm. I see the bodies are piling up in China since they ended lockdown. Obviously, that lot won't release any meaningful and true figures, but we'll know in a couple years just how lethal it's been for them going from over-restricted lockdowns into almost open freedom at the stroke of a pen. OS. I don’t see any bodies piling up in China outside of some MSM stories, but let’s see. Incredible that the milder Omnicron variant is suddenly so deadly in China when it’s a mild disease in the main even in countries with very low vax levels. Glad you’ve suffered no ill effects from the jab
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 26, 2023 14:22:29 GMT
Just giving the other side. I've had five jabs and even though I'm old and knackered, I've never caught Covid and never suffered any side effects from the jabs. I see it much like the Flu jabs where some have a small bout of Flu after the jab but most don't suffer from anything except an aching arm. I see the bodies are piling up in China since they ended lockdown. Obviously, that lot won't release any meaningful and true figures, but we'll know in a couple years just how lethal it's been for them going from over-restricted lockdowns into almost open freedom at the stroke of a pen. OS. I don’t see any bodies piling up in China outside of some MSM stories, but let’s see. Incredible that the milder Omnicron variant is suddenly so deadly in China when it’s a mild disease in the main even in countries with very low vax levels. Glad you’ve suffered no ill effects from the jab It was on late BBC news last night, pictures of diggers digging big holes to bury the dead. We'll never know how many have died there. From the information supplied, China claims only 5,000 people have died from it in two years. That's just plain ridiculous out of a population of 1.4 billion people. I'm glad I suffered no ill effects from the jab too. But thanks for the sentiment. OS.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 26, 2023 14:24:16 GMT
I don’t see any bodies piling up in China outside of some MSM stories, but let’s see. Incredible that the milder Omnicron variant is suddenly so deadly in China when it’s a mild disease in the main even in countries with very low vax levels. Glad you’ve suffered no ill effects from the jab It was on late BBC news last night, pictures of diggers digging big holes to bury the dead. We'll never know how many have died there. From the information supplied, China claims only 5,000 people have died from it in two years. That's just plain ridiculous out of a population of 1.4 billion people. I'm glad I suffered no ill effects from the jab too. But thanks for the sentiment. OS. Call me skeptical, but the same BBC that propagated the fear from China at the start of this (bodies falling down dead in the streets 🥹) Stay healthy 👍
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