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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2021 10:51:51 GMT
I think you're a bit unhinged mate, you and others posted videos only yesterday from Victoria of protests and lot of protesters all grouped together, most without masks, hardly all shut away in their homes are they, and less than 50% there are double vaccinated at the moment. Does he realise they started to open up things like children's playgrounds 3 weeks ago, and changed from trying to reach a zero covid policy. Yes, we know the Aussies are a bit mental with this, they only had about 2000 cases on one day recently, a peak, but as every medical person has said, it's the D variant that is far more easily transmittable that's causing the problem. 2000 is fook all really, how many more if they hadn't locked down ?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 23, 2021 10:52:40 GMT
Never did I think I'd see this in my lifetime in a democratic western society which is not already in a state of conflict. Our children's futures are well and truly fucked if this sort of thing becomes the norm. You can’t beat a bit of background totalitarianism in a Western Democracy to keep us all on our toes, this could be you if you don’t comply messaging. Go get your jabs kids. KIDS hey. Trying to get approval to get it into 5 year olds now I see
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2021 11:38:16 GMT
I think you're a bit unhinged mate, you and others posted videos only yesterday from Victoria of protests and lot of protesters all grouped together, most without masks, hardly all shut away in their homes are they, and less than 50% there are double vaccinated at the moment. Does he realise they started to open up things like children's playgrounds 3 weeks ago, and changed from trying to reach a zero covid policy. Yes, we know the Aussies are a bit mental with this, they only had about 2000 cases on one day recently, a peak, but as every medical person has said, it's the D variant that is far more easily transmittable that's causing the problem. 2000 is fook all really, how many more if they hadn't locked down ? You've lost the plot on this. You simply cannot accept you were wrong about lockdowns and other extreme covid measures. Summed up by a flimsy attempt to defend the Australian government which authorised its police force to shoot unarmed civilians.
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Post by noustie on Sept 23, 2021 11:39:42 GMT
Moderna have suggested the pandemic could be over within a year today - couple of days back they were looking for emergency measures to bang the vaccine into 0-15 olds over in the States.
AZ have also predicted it could be like cold or flu by next spring where society has to decide how many deaths are socially acceptable per season.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 23, 2021 11:43:32 GMT
I think you're a bit unhinged mate, you and others posted videos only yesterday from Victoria of protests and lot of protesters all grouped together, most without masks, hardly all shut away in their homes are they, and less than 50% there are double vaccinated at the moment. Does he realise they started to open up things like children's playgrounds 3 weeks ago, and changed from trying to reach a zero covid policy.
Yes, we know the Aussies are a bit mental with this, they only had about 2000 cases on one day recently, a peak, but as every medical person has said, it's the D variant that is far more easily transmittable that's causing the problem. 2000 is fook all really, how many more if they hadn't locked down ? It took them till 3 weeks ago to work out a zero covid policy was a fucking stupid not achievable idea Then they are more clueless than I thought before. No wonder they are running around assaulting elderly people and shooting their own citizens.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2021 11:47:16 GMT
Moderna have suggested the pandemic could be over within a year today - couple of days back they were looking for emergency measures to bang the vaccine into 0-15 olds over in the States. AZ have also predicted it could be like cold or flu by next spring where society has to decide how many deaths are socially acceptable per season. Just one more year to flatten the curve. Sacrifice Christmas to protect 2022. Just wear a mask. Protect the NHS. Don't see your GP for anything other than covid. Don't hug anyone or buy children's toys or else. Covid, covid, covid.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 23, 2021 11:48:55 GMT
Moderna have suggested the pandemic could be over within a year today - couple of days back they were looking for emergency measures to bang the vaccine into 0-15 olds over in the States. AZ have also predicted it could be like cold or flu by next spring where society has to decide how many deaths are socially acceptable per season. One death was too many we were told at the beginning of this shit show and the infamous 2 week lockdown to flatten the curve. Its funny how they don't seem to consider the excess suicide deaths in the same vein as the faux concern for "one death is too many". I am not surprised in the least that the aussies are going mental. Just wish they had done it far earlier.
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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2021 12:01:11 GMT
I think you're a bit unhinged mate, you and others posted videos only yesterday from Victoria of protests and lot of protesters all grouped together, most without masks, hardly all shut away in their homes are they, and less than 50% there are double vaccinated at the moment. Does he realise they started to open up things like children's playgrounds 3 weeks ago, and changed from trying to reach a zero covid policy. Yes, we know the Aussies are a bit mental with this, they only had about 2000 cases on one day recently, a peak, but as every medical person has said, it's the D variant that is far more easily transmittable that's causing the problem. 2000 is fook all really, how many more if they hadn't locked down ? You've lost the plot on this. You simply cannot accept you were wrong about lockdowns and other extreme covid measures. Summed up by a flimsy attempt to defend the Australian government which authorised its police force to shoot unarmed civilians. I've not mentioned anything about defending the Aussies, you've summed that up by yourself. For the record I think their governor and police are well over the top at what they are doing. I think you looking at an Instagram post from some bloke and thinking that 1 fact is the answer is losing the plot, any sane and sensible person knows that there are multiple factors that are required to be reviewed for a conclusion. As I said, they peaked at 2000 in one day and any sane person would understand that a country like Australia would have quite a few more cases if they weren't in some sort of lockdown, especially with this D variant and it's breakthrough factors, that's just plain science that you can't seem to understand but want to think some bloke on Instagram is right as he posts one clickbait item.
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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2021 12:04:06 GMT
Moderna have suggested the pandemic could be over within a year today - couple of days back they were looking for emergency measures to bang the vaccine into 0-15 olds over in the States. AZ have also predicted it could be like cold or flu by next spring where society has to decide how many deaths are socially acceptable per season. The lady from AZ who did their vaccine in 3 hours was saying yesterday that she thinks it's dealt it's worse blow with the D variant and should start to slowly fade away next year. Let's hope she's right.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2021 12:05:52 GMT
You've lost the plot on this. You simply cannot accept you were wrong about lockdowns and other extreme covid measures. Summed up by a flimsy attempt to defend the Australian government which authorised its police force to shoot unarmed civilians. I've not mentioned anything about defending the Aussies, you've summed that up by yourself. For the record I think their governor and police are well over the top at what they are doing. I think you looking at an Instagram post from some bloke and thinking that 1 fact is the answer is losing the plot, any sane and sensible person knows that there are multiple factors that are required to be reviewed for a conclusion. As I said, they peaked at 2000 in one day and any sane person would understand that a country like Australia would have quite a few more cases if they weren't in some sort of lockdown, especially with this D variant and it's breakthrough factors, that's just plain science that you can't seem to understand but want to think some bloke on Instagram is right as he posts one clickbait item. I can assure you, the crisis unfolding in Australia is not just being coveted by "one bloke on Instagram". Any journalist worth their salt are reporting on it. The PM (who is hardly a libertarian) was speaking to Morrison yesterday re relaxing rules so they can play cricket there this winter. Fell on deaf ears. See below. www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10020147/amp/Scott-Morrison-snubs-personal-plea-Boris-Johnson-ease-quarantine-rules-England-cricket.html
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 23, 2021 13:14:11 GMT
I've not mentioned anything about defending the Aussies, you've summed that up by yourself. For the record I think their governor and police are well over the top at what they are doing. I think you looking at an Instagram post from some bloke and thinking that 1 fact is the answer is losing the plot, any sane and sensible person knows that there are multiple factors that are required to be reviewed for a conclusion. As I said, they peaked at 2000 in one day and any sane person would understand that a country like Australia would have quite a few more cases if they weren't in some sort of lockdown, especially with this D variant and it's breakthrough factors, that's just plain science that you can't seem to understand but want to think some bloke on Instagram is right as he posts one clickbait item. I can assure you, the crisis unfolding in Australia is not just being coveted by "one bloke on Instagram". Any journalist worth their salt are reporting on it. The PM (who is hardly a libertarian) was speaking to Morrison yesterday re relaxing rules so they can play cricket there this winter. Fell on deaf ears. See below. www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10020147/amp/Scott-Morrison-snubs-personal-plea-Boris-Johnson-ease-quarantine-rules-England-cricket.htmlThe Aussie govt should spend more time worrying about their complete economic dependence on China rather than keeping their population locked up and thus further harming their economic fortunes. They haven't got their priorities right at all. A bunch of power mad politicians who have started enjoying playing dictator far far too much. I wouldn't be able to have a mask to mask chat with Dan Andrews without smacking him in the face very hard.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 23, 2021 14:02:40 GMT
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Post by superjw on Sept 23, 2021 14:05:15 GMT
It's probably not the worst ever cold, it's just normal cold season where everyone has been pretty much isolated from one another for 18 months and have had the idea of a sanitised lifestyle drummed into them. Going 18 months without much in the way of seasonal viruses will knock many off their feet the next time one comes around
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 23, 2021 14:20:32 GMT
Where are you getting evidence for that? The articles I read in scientific journals said the evidence was that even cloth helps. Which seems sensible if the virus is spread by droplets. If you can show the virus ain't spread by droplets then you'd be onto something. Like I said...what's going on in Scotland then? And Wales. Masks still in force in both places, cases rising. England, no masks, cases falling or at the very least static. I see why you'd think that but the logic doesn't work for me because I think that ventilation, immunity, testing etc also matter, it's not just masks. My thought process: masking takes delta's R0 from 6 to between 3 and 4.5. Then if half of us have sterilising immunity (from vaccine/infection) it's 1.5-4.5, then isolation, distancing, handwashing, ventilation etc might take it to 0.75-2.25. Even though masks work, cases can go up or down depending on loads of other factors. I 100% support the scientific method (I posted studies before, more: 1, 2, 3, 4). I can spot some obvious bullshit in research but aren't arrogant enough to think I know better than the experts who've spent a year+ working on this. I can't smell bullshit so I'll believe them that the evidence says masks help. Anyway, that's where my position comes from. I don't like wearing them and would switch if evidence showed they don't work, but my mate made me a new one with baby Yodas on and it keeps getting complimented by attractive women so I might keep that one for a while regardless.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 23, 2021 14:22:06 GMT
It's probably not the worst ever cold, it's just normal cold season where everyone has been pretty much isolated from one another for 18 months and have had the idea of a sanitised lifestyle drummed into them. Going 18 months without much in the way of seasonal viruses will knock many off their feet the next time one comes around Agree. Just more whipping up needless hysteria. Let’s just get on with life.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 23, 2021 14:24:55 GMT
Do you really think there's no difference in how quickly the virus spreads when you keep people apart? I literally cannot understand how you and that insta person think. To me it feels like I'm in the cinema watching a film with D-day in it and loads of the crowd are screaming "parachutes don't work! The soldiers are still falling!"
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 23, 2021 14:27:30 GMT
It's probably not the worst ever cold, it's just normal cold season where everyone has been pretty much isolated from one another for 18 months and have had the idea of a sanitised lifestyle drummed into them. Going 18 months without much in the way of seasonal viruses will knock many off their feet the next time one comes around Agree. Just more whipping up needless hysteria. Let’s just get on with life. I think it's been obvious this is coming for a while. It raises some questions about what to do in future though. Depending on how quickly cold viruses mutate, we could probably choose to avoid getting colds most of the time for years and years now. But then will our immune systems suck when we finally get hit? I haven't a scooby.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 23, 2021 14:28:28 GMT
Like I said...what's going on in Scotland then? And Wales. Masks still in force in both places, cases rising. England, no masks, cases falling or at the very least static. I see why you'd think that but the logic doesn't work for me because I think that ventilation, immunity, testing etc also matter, it's not just masks. My thought process: masking takes delta's R0 from 6 to between 3 and 4.5. Then if half of us have sterilising immunity (from vaccine/infection) it's 1.5-4.5, then isolation, distancing, handwashing, ventilation etc might take it to 0.75-2.25. Even though masks work, cases can go up or down depending on loads of other factors. I 100% support the scientific method (I posted studies before, more: 1, 2, 3, 4). I can spot some obvious bullshit in research but aren't arrogant enough to think I know better than the experts who've spent a year+ working on this. I can't smell bullshit so I'll believe them that the evidence says masks help. Anyway, that's where my position comes from. I don't like wearing them and would switch if evidence showed they don't work, but my mate made me a new one with baby Yodas on and it keeps getting complimented by attractive women so I might keep that one for a while regardless. So are you saying immunity, ventilation and testing are materially different between the two, if so could you link some evidence please?
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Post by zerps on Sept 23, 2021 14:29:12 GMT
Agree. Just more whipping up needless hysteria. Let’s just get on with life. I think it's been obvious this is coming for a while. It raises some questions about what to do in future though. Depending on how quickly cold viruses mutate, we could probably choose to avoid getting colds most of the time for years and years now. But then will our immune systems suck when we finally get hit? I haven't a scooby. I’m reading a journal that states only people that look like the back end of a bus will continue wearing masks. I’m not sure if that falls inline with your research?
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Post by stokeuk474 on Sept 23, 2021 14:29:13 GMT
It's probably not the worst ever cold, it's just normal cold season where everyone has been pretty much isolated from one another for 18 months and have had the idea of a sanitised lifestyle drummed into them. Going 18 months without much in the way of seasonal viruses will knock many off their feet the next time one comes around Agree. Just more whipping up needless hysteria. Let’s just get on with life. Whatever it is that's going round, I picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It's basically just a heavy head cold, sore throat, aches, very congested and snotty. Nothing to worry about. Stayed home from work for 2 days, did x2 LFT's, both negative, went the Huddersfield match on the Saturday and then back in work on Monday
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Post by zerps on Sept 23, 2021 14:32:07 GMT
Agree. Just more whipping up needless hysteria. Let’s just get on with life. Whatever it is that's going round, I picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It's basically just a heavy head cold, sore throat, aches, very congested and snotty. Nothing to worry about. Stayed home from work for 2 days, did x2 LFT's, both negative, went the Huddersfield match on the Saturday and then back in work on Monday I sneezed in a shop the other day. The girl in the co-op nearly pressed the under counter panic button.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 23, 2021 14:38:24 GMT
Do you really think there's no difference in how quickly the virus spreads when you keep people apart? I literally cannot understand how you and that insta person think. To me it feels like I'm in the cinema watching a film with D-day in it and loads of the crowd are screaming "parachutes don't work! The soldiers are still falling!" For me it is not so much a case of whether lockdowns work, I guess they did help in the beginning to get the thing under control while idiot politicians were wondering what to do. But now we are the thick end of 2 years into this debacle it is time to consign lockdowns into the history bin for covid 19. The details of the damage lockdowns have caused is starting to bite and I rather suspect if the Govt announce any further lockdowns it will get a little bit spicy out on the streets.
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Post by zerps on Sept 23, 2021 14:47:18 GMT
Do you really think there's no difference in how quickly the virus spreads when you keep people apart? I literally cannot understand how you and that insta person think. To me it feels like I'm in the cinema watching a film with D-day in it and loads of the crowd are screaming "parachutes don't work! The soldiers are still falling!" For me it is not so much a case of whether lockdowns work, I guess they did help in the beginning to get the thing under control while idiot politicians were wondering what to do. But now we are the thick end of 2 years into this debacle it is time to consign lockdowns into the history bin for covid 19. The details of the damage lockdowns have caused is starting to bite and I rather suspect if the Govt announce any further lockdowns it will get a little bit spicy out on the streets. Fucking hope so. They’re lucky I’ve got Netflix or i’d be on the front line.
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Post by zerps on Sept 23, 2021 18:26:16 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2021 19:11:37 GMT
I'd expect nothing less from a nation that has handled the Covid endemic better than any other nation on the planet.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2021 19:18:24 GMT
So the likes of Egypt and the Maldives have been moved onto the Amber list but the foreign office still advise against "all but essential travel based on the current assessment of covid-19 risks". Complete nightmare for a travel industry that's already been flattened by mindless totalitarian faucism.
How a transport secretary in under two years can create the worst road works crisis in living memory (despite having a year of empty roads) while dropping a nuclear bomb on the travel industry and still remain in a job is quite the achievement.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 23, 2021 19:35:26 GMT
So the likes of Egypt and the Maldives have been moved onto the Amber list but the foreign office still advise against "all but essential travel based on the current assessment of covid-19 risks". Complete nightmare for a travel industry that's already been flattened by mindless totalitarian faucism. How a transport secretary in under two years can create the worst road works crisis in living memory (despite having a year of empty roads) while dropping a nuclear bomb on the travel industry and still remain in a job is quite the achievement. Couldn’t put it better myself. An absolute fucking disgrace! Especially about the roads! An utter embarrassment. What’s going on? The country has absolutely folded into a sea of can’t be arsedness, simply pathetic.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 23, 2021 19:55:49 GMT
So the likes of Egypt and the Maldives have been moved onto the Amber list but the foreign office still advise against "all but essential travel based on the current assessment of covid-19 risks". Complete nightmare for a travel industry that's already been flattened by mindless totalitarian faucism. How a transport secretary in under two years can create the worst road works crisis in living memory (despite having a year of empty roads) while dropping a nuclear bomb on the travel industry and still remain in a job is quite the achievement. Couldn’t put it better myself. An absolute fucking disgrace! Especially about the roads! An utter embarrassment. What’s going on? The country has absolutely folded into a sea of can’t be arsedness, simply pathetic. Barmy isn't it mate.
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Post by steinthemachine on Sept 23, 2021 20:03:48 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 23, 2021 20:08:27 GMT
Not sure it still actually meets the definition of a pandemic, haven’t checked lately maybe the WHO have lowered the threshold to ensure we are still in a pandemic…
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