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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2020 20:59:36 GMT
I wish one of the press had asked Hancock ... "Just what is the point of imposing a ban on meetings of more than two people outside of work, when you're encouraging people to go to work, people who have no other way of doing so but to use public transport ... do you realise just how ridiculous you're making yourself look Health Secretary?" Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. There are tons of staff reporting in sick and it's going to get worse, what do you want them to do, still come to work ill? If Hancock stopped this ridiculous policy of telling people to go to work who aren't essential workers, then there would be more than enough capacity for the people who actually need it to travel around.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 24, 2020 21:02:46 GMT
It seems hard to believe that only about 10 days ago, the government policy was for 60% of us to catch this deadly virus to build up future immunity. After that episode I find it very difficult to trust them. Yes. People seem to forget this. UK strategy was/is "herd" mentality.. I'm absolutely sure that no clucker knows what the best strategy is. I'm absolutely sure that this will lead to a worldwide depression of epic proportions. Lock up your daughters.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 24, 2020 21:03:16 GMT
I wish one of the press had asked Hancock ... "Just what is the point of imposing a ban on meetings of more than two people outside of work, when you're encouraging people to go to work, people who have no other way of doing so but to use public transport ... do you realise just how ridiculous you're making yourself look Health Secretary?" Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. Half of London has this thing. The terrifying thing is a tube driver is far more likely to be honest about it than someone on their way to the job where they are paid by the day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:10:35 GMT
I Live at Heathrow and I have to travel to London for Meetings/Work..the Tubes are jam packed at the moment and all because they have laid on less trains...it just does not make sense
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 24, 2020 21:10:56 GMT
Looking back at the first page of this thread and the link in this post it's perhaps understandable why the British public have been a bit slow getting up to speed on the threat of this virus to the UK.
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Post by foster on Mar 24, 2020 21:17:41 GMT
Think it still is - just doing it a bit slower to give the NHS a chance to keep up with the collateral damage. I'm quite surprised how many people still can't grasp this. Lock down doesn't kill it, a vaccine takes 12 months minimum to create, check and produce and you can't lock a population down for that long. A lot of us will have to get it eventually, they just want us to get it when they can cope with the numbers. And? They can't cope with the numbers if we all get it now can they. That's the point. What's so hard to grasp about that.
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 24, 2020 21:21:20 GMT
I'm quite surprised how many people still can't grasp this. Lock down doesn't kill it, a vaccine takes 12 months minimum to create, check and produce and you can't lock a population down for that long. A lot of us will have to get it eventually, they just want us to get it when they can cope with the numbers. And? They can't cope with the numbers if we all get it now can they. That's the point. What's so hard to grasp about that. Yes I know, the quote didn't quote everything, I was replying about the post to do with us supposedly abandoning herd immunity. That's still very much part of the fight, just in a much more controlled way belatedly.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2020 21:21:53 GMT
I wish one of the press had asked Hancock ... "Just what is the point of imposing a ban on meetings of more than two people outside of work, when you're encouraging people to go to work, people who have no other way of doing so but to use public transport ... do you realise just how ridiculous you're making yourself look Health Secretary?" Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. Well you have made your mind up obviously. It was reported last week that a large number of train drivers were self-isolating and were saying they didn't feel safe to go into work. Why not 50%? Days before the schools closed in my wife's school more than 50% of their staff were self isolating or off sick. The fact is people should be not going out and should not be encouraged, so there should not be a need for more than 50% of trains. The Government should be putting their energy into making this happen rather than forcing people to work unnecessarily. The Govt dont have any conviction in their own policies at a time when we need very determined commitment. Putting on more trains, even if it was possible, is completely the wrong thing to do. It's not political it's common sense and in line with the Government's own policy They're sending out very dangerous mixed messages. No wonder people the response is half-hearted.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2020 21:24:41 GMT
I Live at Heathrow and I have to travel to London for Meetings/Work..the Tubes are jam packed at the moment and all because they have laid on less trains...it just does not make sense You can't participate in a meeting online???
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Post by algor on Mar 24, 2020 21:26:30 GMT
I Live at Heathrow and I have to travel to London for Meetings/Work..the Tubes are jam packed at the moment and all because they have laid on less trains...it just does not make sense Are you able to book a couple of weeks holiday or anything like that mate? I would think being on the tube at the moment is like playing Russian roulette but with half the chambers loaded. I know it is a question of finance but I feel it is risking death to get on the tube at the minute. I honestly think I would take a fucked up overdraft and mortgage arrears over spending time on the tube. In 2 weeks time London will be the world epicentre of the virus make no mistake. Anyone who is organising face to face meetings at the minute in London or anywhere else is beyond certifiable. It's just money, if you can survive a month or so fuck work off, it's better to be alive and broke than in the Green but dead!
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 24, 2020 21:26:36 GMT
Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. There are tons of staff reporting in sick and it's going to get worse, what do you want them to do, still come to work ill? If Hancock stopped this ridiculous policy of telling people to go to work who aren't essential workers, then there would be more than enough capacity for the people who actually need it to travel around. Nope of course not, but explain to me why only 50% of normal tube service, that implies 50% of tube drivers are isolating etc. If you extend the logic then 50% of Londoners are doing the same and that is just not true. Regards construction workers, 250000 work in GLA, which is 4% of the workforce. You won't solve overcrowding by removing them, assuming all travel by tube which they do not. Oh and Hancock has not told people to go to work who aren't essential workers. They are supposed to be working from home if anyway possible, but construction workers cannot do this. You are only work if you can safely do it, and your employee allow it. Reckon you will see most construction sites closed tomorrow. The UK lockdown has led to confusion though, and London Mayor Sadiq Khan has criticized the government for encouraging most construction workers to carry on working. He suggests workers should not continue working except for essential public health reasons. Last night, Graham Watts, chief executive of the Construction Industry Council, said Construction Leadership Council (CLC) chair Andy Mitchell had been in touch with the government for clarity about the position of construction sites. He added: “The CLC chair has advised the Cabinet Office that the construction industry will come to work tomorrow [Tuesday], to prepare to shut down works safely, whilst awaiting further information." The two meter rule has been branded unenforceable for construction even before workers get to site – given so many use public transport, especially in London, to get to jobs. A note produced by the CLC on site operating procedures also admitted: “There will be situations where it is not possible or safe for workers to distance themselves from each other by 2m.” If you're a construction worker and you're unsure of whether your site remains open, it's best to double-check with your employer for clarity. Housebuilder Taylor Wimpey said it has closed its construction sites, show homes and sale sites due to coronavirus. While its competitor Redrow said its sites remain open with "strict precautions in place including enhanced levels of cleaning, additional hygiene facilities and social distancing". Mr Watts said construction work should only continue if it can be carried out under the Public Health England guidance without compromising on safety. It also requires that workers can travel safely and responsibly to sites, he added. Mr Watts said: "There has to be a safety first message in all of this. "There also needs to be clarity on criticality. "Some projects are urgent and cannot be shut down (renovations in the health sector to create more capacity to manage coronavirus is an example). "However, construction sites cannot just be left. They need to be prepared for closure and left in a way that is safe and secure."
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 24, 2020 21:28:38 GMT
Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. There are tons of staff reporting in sick and it's going to get worse, what do you want them to do, still come to work ill? If Hancock stopped this ridiculous policy of telling people to go to work who aren't essential workers, then there would be more than enough capacity for the people who actually need it to travel around. It's all to do with the wording Paul. Essential and necessary have different karma. It's ok for people on this message board to trumpet the "stay at home" call. But a lot of general workers are scared of what their employer's will do. This is a National emergency and GovUK should be clearer. Tough times.
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 24, 2020 21:28:40 GMT
Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. Half of London has this thing. The terrifying thing is a tube driver is far more likely to be honest about it than someone on their way to the job where they are paid by the day. We now in La La land, you reckon there are 7.5 million people in Greater London with the virus?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2020 21:30:11 GMT
I wish one of the press had asked Hancock ... "Just what is the point of imposing a ban on meetings of more than two people outside of work, when you're encouraging people to go to work, people who have no other way of doing so but to use public transport ... do you realise just how ridiculous you're making yourself look Health Secretary?" Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. Citizen Khan never would do such an underhand trick
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Post by march4 on Mar 24, 2020 21:30:17 GMT
There are tons of staff reporting in sick and it's going to get worse, what do you want them to do, still come to work ill? If Hancock stopped this ridiculous policy of telling people to go to work who aren't essential workers, then there would be more than enough capacity for the people who actually need it to travel around. It's all to do with the wording Paul. Essential and necessary have different karma. It's ok for people on this message board to trumpet the "stay at home" call. But a lot of general workers are scared of what their employer's will do. This is a National emergency and GovUK should be clearer. Tough times. It is difficult for folk. The guidance is confusing.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2020 21:33:17 GMT
I Live at Heathrow and I have to travel to London for Meetings/Work..the Tubes are jam packed at the moment and all because they have laid on less trains...it just does not make sense Are you able to book a couple of weeks holiday or anything like that mate? I would think being on the tube at the moment is like playing Russian roulette but with half the chambers loaded. I know it is a question of finance but I feel it is risking death to get on the tube at the minute. I honestly think I would take a fucked up overdraft and mortgage arrears over spending time on the tube. In 2 weeks time London will be the world epicentre of the virus make no mistake. Anyone who is organising face to face meetings at the minute in London or anywhere else is beyond certifiable. It's just money, if you can survive a month or so fuck work off, it's better to be alive and broke than in the Green but dead! There's no pockets in shrouds as the old saying goes, we come with nothing we leave with nothing, the kids will only piss it the wall anyway.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 24, 2020 21:37:06 GMT
There are tons of staff reporting in sick and it's going to get worse, what do you want them to do, still come to work ill? If Hancock stopped this ridiculous policy of telling people to go to work who aren't essential workers, then there would be more than enough capacity for the people who actually need it to travel around. Nope of course not, but explain to me why only 50% of normal tube service, that implies 50% of tube drivers are isolating etc. If you extend the logic then 50% of Londoners are doing the same and that is just not true. Regards construction workers, 250000 work in GLA, which is 4% of the workforce. You won't solve overcrowding by removing them, assuming all travel by tube which they do not. Oh and Hancock has not told people to go to work who aren't essential workers. They are supposed to be working from home if anyway possible, but construction workers cannot do this. You are only work if you can safely do it, and your employee allow it. Reckon you will see most construction sites closed tomorrow. The UK lockdown has led to confusion though, and London Mayor Sadiq Khan has criticized the government for encouraging most construction workers to carry on working. He suggests workers should not continue working except for essential public health reasons. Last night, Graham Watts, chief executive of the Construction Industry Council, said Construction Leadership Council (CLC) chair Andy Mitchell had been in touch with the government for clarity about the position of construction sites. He added: “The CLC chair has advised the Cabinet Office that the construction industry will come to work tomorrow [Tuesday], to prepare to shut down works safely, whilst awaiting further information." The two meter rule has been branded unenforceable for construction even before workers get to site – given so many use public transport, especially in London, to get to jobs. A note produced by the CLC on site operating procedures also admitted: “There will be situations where it is not possible or safe for workers to distance themselves from each other by 2m.” If you're a construction worker and you're unsure of whether your site remains open, it's best to double-check with your employer for clarity. Housebuilder Taylor Wimpey said it has closed its construction sites, show homes and sale sites due to coronavirus. While its competitor Redrow said its sites remain open with "strict precautions in place including enhanced levels of cleaning, additional hygiene facilities and social distancing". Mr Watts said construction work should only continue if it can be carried out under the Public Health England guidance without compromising on safety. It also requires that workers can travel safely and responsibly to sites, he added. Mr Watts said: "There has to be a safety first message in all of this. "There also needs to be clarity on criticality. "Some projects are urgent and cannot be shut down (renovations in the health sector to create more capacity to manage coronavirus is an example). "However, construction sites cannot just be left. They need to be prepared for closure and left in a way that is safe and secure." It really is dead simple, Hancock shouldn't be encouraging people to go to work who aren't essential workers. He should be telling people to STAY AT HOME but he isn't. It is negligent governance.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 24, 2020 21:41:26 GMT
Half of London has this thing. The terrifying thing is a tube driver is far more likely to be honest about it than someone on their way to the job where they are paid by the day. We now in La La land, you reckon there are 7.5 million people in Greater London with the virus? Of course there are varying degrees of exposure. Central London is more dense and mixes more. Tube drivers will be right up there in terms of exposure though. And yes by now I think we're talking millions of Londoners who have had or have it. A lot of pennies dropped with the loss of taste thing. Its only layman guesswork from the amount of people I know of who are currently having symptoms or have realised they had previously. I dont know of a single person who has been tested. If we come up with a reliable anti body test, and the antibodies for this stay for any length of time, we'll get the full picture. Otherwise we'll never know.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Mar 24, 2020 21:41:58 GMT
I wish one of the press had asked Hancock ... "Just what is the point of imposing a ban on meetings of more than two people outside of work, when you're encouraging people to go to work, people who have no other way of doing so but to use public transport ... do you realise just how ridiculous you're making yourself look Health Secretary?" Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. Khan said that he was planning to reduce capacity on the tube last week, he said it in a number of interviews, here is one of them. link
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 24, 2020 21:42:28 GMT
Thanks Ely, I think you're right I think I read that as well. And you can still tax your car in that period too even though your mot has expired. I read it differently. MOT's are still needed at the moment but the government are mulling over what to do about it. MOT garages are one of the things that can remain open. OS.
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 24, 2020 21:44:15 GMT
Nope of course not, but explain to me why only 50% of normal tube service, that implies 50% of tube drivers are isolating etc. If you extend the logic then 50% of Londoners are doing the same and that is just not true. Regards construction workers, 250000 work in GLA, which is 4% of the workforce. You won't solve overcrowding by removing them, assuming all travel by tube which they do not. Oh and Hancock has not told people to go to work who aren't essential workers. They are supposed to be working from home if anyway possible, but construction workers cannot do this. You are only work if you can safely do it, and your employee allow it. Reckon you will see most construction sites closed tomorrow. The UK lockdown has led to confusion though, and London Mayor Sadiq Khan has criticized the government for encouraging most construction workers to carry on working. He suggests workers should not continue working except for essential public health reasons. Last night, Graham Watts, chief executive of the Construction Industry Council, said Construction Leadership Council (CLC) chair Andy Mitchell had been in touch with the government for clarity about the position of construction sites. He added: “The CLC chair has advised the Cabinet Office that the construction industry will come to work tomorrow [Tuesday], to prepare to shut down works safely, whilst awaiting further information." The two meter rule has been branded unenforceable for construction even before workers get to site – given so many use public transport, especially in London, to get to jobs. A note produced by the CLC on site operating procedures also admitted: “There will be situations where it is not possible or safe for workers to distance themselves from each other by 2m.” If you're a construction worker and you're unsure of whether your site remains open, it's best to double-check with your employer for clarity. Housebuilder Taylor Wimpey said it has closed its construction sites, show homes and sale sites due to coronavirus. While its competitor Redrow said its sites remain open with "strict precautions in place including enhanced levels of cleaning, additional hygiene facilities and social distancing". Mr Watts said construction work should only continue if it can be carried out under the Public Health England guidance without compromising on safety. It also requires that workers can travel safely and responsibly to sites, he added. Mr Watts said: "There has to be a safety first message in all of this. "There also needs to be clarity on criticality. "Some projects are urgent and cannot be shut down (renovations in the health sector to create more capacity to manage coronavirus is an example). "However, construction sites cannot just be left. They need to be prepared for closure and left in a way that is safe and secure." It really is dead simple, Hancock shouldn't be encouraging people to go to work who aren't essential workers. He should be telling people to STAY AT HOME but he isn't. It is negligent governance. Yes I agree, but if you can work safely in the open air i.e. Construction, then why not, provided it is safe, and it's not safe to work apart and then at sit down like a bunch of lemmings in a grub hut. My original point is why are only 50% of tubes running?
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 24, 2020 21:44:54 GMT
Trump just starting his comedy hour speech on CNN
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2020 21:45:48 GMT
QUESTION: since old people have a weaker immune system and easier infected than young people - isn't it more likely to get Corona from an old person?
I was thinking about going to the shop the early half an hour for the people in a risk group (since I am in at least two of them), but I think it will be some / a lot of people +70 there at 06.30 - so it's a larger risk perhaps?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 24, 2020 21:46:11 GMT
Well someone is lying. Why are they only running at 50% capacity during rush hour? You cannot believe 50% of tube drivers have reason not to be at work, and Khan is playing political games. Citizen Khan never would do such an underhand trick ;) You think Khan is making the tube trains of Londoners dangerously packed in a pandemic ( and in a mayoral election cycle) as a way of making things difficult for national government?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2020 21:48:00 GMT
It's all to do with the wording Paul. Essential and necessary have different karma. It's ok for people on this message board to trumpet the "stay at home" call. But a lot of general workers are scared of what their employer's will do. This is a National emergency and GovUK should be clearer. Tough times. It is difficult for folk. The guidance is confusing. Boris does need to clarify the position on this, I work part time but classed as a "key worker" I have been instructed by my employer to carry on working if I want to, I am self employed contracted so at the moment I will get little or no financial support, I have saved for a rainy day scenario so can if I choose stay at home and try to ride out this Chinese shit storm but will be bored fecking shitless. I am considering volunteering to help out with the NHS in any way I can be of use, not scared for myself as I am an older c*nt now but me and the wife are looking after the grandkids at the moment while my son has to go to work for the essential job of painting the building due to lack of orders FFS, the worry is that if I catch it I could easily pass it on to them I would probably top myself if that happened, what a fcuking mess
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2020 21:50:05 GMT
QUESTION: Why has nobody anywhere in the media mentioned wounds? If you have wounds on your hands, for instance, you must cover them well, I guess?!
Btw, why don't they recommend plastic gloves?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 24, 2020 21:50:14 GMT
Citizen Khan never would do such an underhand trick You think Khan is making the tube trains of Londoners dangerously packed in a pandemic ( and in a mayoral election cycle) as a way of making things difficult for national government? Never, why would the squeaky clean Mayor of London do that ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 24, 2020 21:51:30 GMT
Citizen Khan never would do such an underhand trick You think Khan is making the tube trains of Londoners dangerously packed in a pandemic ( and in a mayoral election cycle) as a way of making things difficult for national government? That's one of his less potty notions! Mental but pretty mild for him!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:55:22 GMT
Citizen Khan never would do such an underhand trick You think Khan is making the tube trains of Londoners dangerously packed in a pandemic ( and in a mayoral election cycle) as a way of making things difficult for national government? He thinks what Wikipedia tells him to think.....
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 24, 2020 21:56:31 GMT
You think Khan is making the tube trains of Londoners dangerously packed in a pandemic ( and in a mayoral election cycle) as a way of making things difficult for national government? That's one of his less potty notions! Mental but pretty mild for him! I think Cummings is using London for his herd immunity experiment. I wouldn't put anything past that scurrilous bastard. OS.
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