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Post by yeswilko on Jun 22, 2021 6:52:07 GMT
Its a shame the xenophobes have driven out so many doctors and nurses with their hatred over the past few years.
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Post by Northy on Jun 22, 2021 7:06:31 GMT
I'm seriously regretting having it www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/british-model-dies-cyprus-astrazeneca-vaccine-b937107.htmlthe night of my second jab i was as this woman "I had full body shakes, all my joints seized and I was struggling to breathe and was cold to the bone", this happened in the early hours, 2 hours later i was pissed wet through with sweat. No way will a booster pass my skin. It's worrying that young people are having this. My 27 and 25 year olds had there first phizer vaccine Friday And not a single reaction between them Same with my two with the pfizer, 27 and 25 as well
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Post by Northy on Jun 22, 2021 7:09:31 GMT
Back from a weeks holiday in Norfolk, did anything we wanted, ate out just about every lunch and evening, pubs in the sunshine, watching the footy inside, train to Norwich 1 day, steam train ride, etc etc you wouldn't know there was restrictions anywhere apart from wearing a mask to your seat.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 22, 2021 7:14:26 GMT
My 27 and 25 year olds had there first phizer vaccine Friday And not a single reaction between them Same with my two with the pfizer, 27 and 25 as well They were the lucky ones. That Moderna is the spawn of the devil.
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Post by Northy on Jun 22, 2021 7:14:59 GMT
My running friend told me last night, his 30 year old cousin, a teacher in Runcorn who had his first pfizer jab 5 weeks ago and no underlying issues, is in hospital with cv19, was in a bad way but responding to treatment, probably a rare case. It does seem schools are the cause of this new lot of cases, hopefully fade away when the holidays start in a few weeks
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Post by zerps on Jun 22, 2021 7:39:14 GMT
My running friend told me last night, his 30 year old cousin, a teacher in Runcorn who had his first pfizer jab 5 weeks ago and no underlying issues, is in hospital with cv19, was in a bad way but responding to treatment, probably a rare case. It does seem schools are the cause of this new lot of cases, hopefully fade away when the holidays start in a few weeks Unless the vaccine caused it
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 7:44:53 GMT
I'm pleased this thread has now been relegated to the everything else section, it's just become a thread for the likes of Kevin the Teenager etc to say how unfair and inconvenient all the restrictions are and constantly saying how they are going to riot and rebel against the system. Very boring. Before it was an actual debate from both sides of the argument with some real scientific insight from various posters who all seem to have given up on it. Now it’s just whining.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 7:46:35 GMT
Back from a weeks holiday in Norfolk, did anything we wanted, ate out just about every lunch and evening, pubs in the sunshine, watching the footy inside, train to Norwich 1 day, steam train ride, etc etc you wouldn't know there was restrictions anywhere apart from wearing a mask to your seat. I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures......
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Post by starkiller on Jun 22, 2021 7:56:20 GMT
Back from a weeks holiday in Norfolk, did anything we wanted, ate out just about every lunch and evening, pubs in the sunshine, watching the footy inside, train to Norwich 1 day, steam train ride, etc etc you wouldn't know there was restrictions anywhere apart from wearing a mask to your seat. You never seem to consider the million plus jobs gone, the small businesses and independent livelihoods gone, the 300,000 extra hospitality jobs threatened by this extra four week lockup, the medical care gone, the 10 million plus waiting for treatment. The hyper-inflation waiting to reduce life to misery. It's great that you didn't notice this from your steam train, and at least it's Amazon prime day, so who cares? Lockdowns never existed for any illness in history, even far worse, until last year when they were introduced by the Chinese Communist Party, and then immediately adopted by every country, with no analysis or logic. And people doubt it's a globalist centrally orchestrated plan... Susan Michie - Behaviour Change Wheel writer, Communist social engineer, and psychological warfare operator. 'Not only for Covid', she says. These words should raise alarm bells for everyone. Because these are the people controlling the UK. Because being trained into lockdowns was the intention. Lockdowns and Digital IDs were the aim. The pandemic story is the hoax. These will continue until all independent businesses and livelihoods are gone, and we are left only with globalist State corporations. Including those small businesses you used on your trip.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jun 22, 2021 8:00:41 GMT
Back from a weeks holiday in Norfolk, did anything we wanted, ate out just about every lunch and evening, pubs in the sunshine, watching the footy inside, train to Norwich 1 day, steam train ride, etc etc you wouldn't know there was restrictions anywhere apart from wearing a mask to your seat. I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures...... No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end.
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Post by riverman on Jun 22, 2021 8:01:18 GMT
Maybe because there's no actual pandemic to discuss? Or even Gary's bored sitting in his ivory tower? He doesn't sit in an ivory tower mate he's been barricaded under his stairs for the last 16 months turning into Gollum!
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Post by henry on Jun 22, 2021 8:08:38 GMT
Back from a weeks holiday in Norfolk, did anything we wanted, ate out just about every lunch and evening, pubs in the sunshine, watching the footy inside, train to Norwich 1 day, steam train ride, etc etc you wouldn't know there was restrictions anywhere apart from wearing a mask to your seat. I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures...... Good job nobody wants to go abroad on holiday then.
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Post by zerps on Jun 22, 2021 8:08:55 GMT
I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures...... No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. With you on that. There’s no point pretending that this is normal. It isn’t.
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Post by superjw on Jun 22, 2021 8:12:06 GMT
I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures...... No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. Unfortunately there are far too many "I'm alright Jack's" that are perfectly happy with the current rules because it doesn't affect them and they can go about their business quite happily, sadly those same people would be happy to see restrictions continue. But they give no regard to the ones as you say who still don't know if they have their livelihoods or not. I'm going to a funeral in a few days and we can't sing, can only sit in pre designated seats, no hugging, no flowers other than what's pre arranged, capacity limit on the whole thing and there is a different limit on the church and the Crematorium so difficult decisions made on attendees. But we are back to normal aren't we?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:12:54 GMT
Or even Gary's bored sitting in his ivory tower? He doesn't sit in an ivory tower mate he's been barricaded under his stairs for the last 16 months turning into Gollum! He's been out working like many of us who have been since day one. In fact it's generally the people who have a cautious approach to the whole thing that are visiting restaurants (and shock horror having to wear a mask to walk from the entrance to their table), sitting in beer gardens and helping businesses get back on their feet. Those who have taken the stance "I will not visit a pub/restaurant that forces me to wear a mask or surrender my mobile phone number" are the ones in fact missing out on their "freedoms"
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:15:03 GMT
I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures...... Good job nobody wants to go abroad on holiday then. i'd love to go abroad, I booked a holiday to Pembrokeshire instead and can't wait to go. In the grand scheme of things sacrificing a holiday abroad until the Autumn of 2021 or 2022 is not the end of the world........
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Post by adri2008 on Jun 22, 2021 8:17:02 GMT
Being prepared is a good thing isn’t it? Doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. The idea of it shouldn't even be on the table, that's the point of the vaccine and returning to normal. Further potential for Societal controls isn't unlocking. Let's say worse case restrictions did return in October time, what actual difference would there be between 2020 and 2021? It would suggest the vaccine is useless if we need to restrict again and if it is, then what? - are we meant to permanently have restrictions for a decade or 2 whilst the disease naturally becomes less deadly and the various variants eventually run their course? Or are we going to have a vaccine drive every 6 months where everybody is under restrictions for 10 months and then let off the leash for 2 months as some sort of reward?
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Post by zerps on Jun 22, 2021 8:17:09 GMT
Good job nobody wants to go abroad on holiday then. i'd love to go abroad, I booked a holiday to Pembrokeshire instead and can't wait to go. In the grand scheme of things sacrificing a holiday abroad until the Autumn of 2021 or 2022 is not the end of the world........ Ok Gary
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:17:12 GMT
No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. Unfortunately there are far too many "I'm alright Jack's" that are perfectly happy with the current rules because it doesn't affect them and they can go about their business quite happily, sadly those same people would be happy to see restrictions continue. But they give no regard to the ones as you say who still don't know if they have their livelihoods or not. I'm going to a funeral in a few days and we can't sing, can only sit in pre designated seats, no hugging, no flowers other than what's pre arranged, capacity limit on the whole thing and there is a different limit on the church and the Crematorium so difficult decisions made on attendees. But we are back to normal aren't we? I don't know of one individual who is "perfectly happy" with the current rules. Not one. Don't confuse "perfectly happy" with "acting cautiously so that we can put this poxy virus to bed once and for all"
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Post by henry on Jun 22, 2021 8:19:15 GMT
Good job nobody wants to go abroad on holiday then. i'd love to go abroad, I booked a holiday to Pembrokeshire instead and can't wait to go. In the grand scheme of things sacrificing a holiday abroad until the Autumn of 2021 or 2022 is not the end of the world........ We sacrificed holidays last year for 2021
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Post by riverman on Jun 22, 2021 8:19:49 GMT
I bet you couldn’t enjoy a second of it though with you being stripped of all your civil liberties having to follow such draconian measures...... No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. All Northy is interested in is trotting out his smug look at me with my super life posts. He couldn't give two fucks about anything you've said there. I've just come back from a week in the lakes and enjoyed certain freedoms but it still doesn't detract from the fact that I'm still angry with the way things are.
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Post by riverman on Jun 22, 2021 8:25:41 GMT
He doesn't sit in an ivory tower mate he's been barricaded under his stairs for the last 16 months turning into Gollum! He's been out working like many of us who have been since day one. In fact it's generally the people who have a cautious approach to the whole thing that are visiting restaurants (and shock horror having to wear a mask to walk from the entrance to their table), sitting in beer gardens and helping businesses get back on their feet. Those who have taken the stance "I will not visit a pub/restaurant that forces me to wear a mask or surrender my mobile phone number" are the ones in fact missing out on their "freedoms" Everything I've done myself. Still doesn't detract from the fact that we shouldn't be in this situation any longer and anyone who still advocates it is a complete nut job in my opinion.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:27:35 GMT
No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. With you on that. There’s no point pretending that this is normal. It isn’t. Of course it's not normal. But what do most people do with their free time? Visit a restaurant, go to the pub, take the kids to the park, the zoo, the cinema, go shopping, go to the coast and visit the beach, visit friends and family etc etc. All of these things can be done currently. So people can make the best of it or keep going on about it I guess. Those marginalised in society and struggling I really feel for, but you know what I really felt for them before the pandemic when the same mental health issues, issues with poverty, homelessness etc. existed. Hopefully when we get to the other side of this very soon we can all look out a bit more for our family, friends and neighbours to see if they need help......
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Post by superjw on Jun 22, 2021 8:28:14 GMT
i'd love to go abroad, I booked a holiday to Pembrokeshire instead and can't wait to go. In the grand scheme of things sacrificing a holiday abroad until the Autumn of 2021 or 2022 is not the end of the world........ We sacrificed holidays last year for 2021 I'm not sacrificing any more, I'm due to go abroad in July and I will do my bit to support the travel industry. I've even added extras for the flight and will even do a bit of duty free that I wouldn't normally do. Literally every bit helps for those guys right now. It will do the world of good to experience an alternate reality to the one here for a week as well 👍
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:29:09 GMT
He's been out working like many of us who have been since day one. In fact it's generally the people who have a cautious approach to the whole thing that are visiting restaurants (and shock horror having to wear a mask to walk from the entrance to their table), sitting in beer gardens and helping businesses get back on their feet. Those who have taken the stance "I will not visit a pub/restaurant that forces me to wear a mask or surrender my mobile phone number" are the ones in fact missing out on their "freedoms" Everything I've done myself. Still doesn't detract from the fact that we shouldn't be in this situation any longer and anyone who still advocates it is a complete nut job in my opinion. If the government hadn't fucked up and put India on the red list 3 weeks earlier we wouldn't be, direct your anger towards them......
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Post by franklin on Jun 22, 2021 8:29:39 GMT
No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. All Northy is interested in is trotting out his smug look at me with my super life posts. He couldn't give two fucks about anything you've said there. I've just come back from a week in the lakes and enjoyed certain freedoms but it still doesn't detract from the fact that I'm still angry with the way things are. Having met Northy and his son I'm not sure there is anything "smug" about him mate he's a smashing bloke who did me a favour when I was daft enough to leave my duisburg match tickets at home before flying out to Germany and he put himself out to bring them over to me.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:31:04 GMT
All Northy is interested in is trotting out his smug look at me with my super life posts. He couldn't give two fucks about anything you've said there. I've just come back from a week in the lakes and enjoyed certain freedoms but it still doesn't detract from the fact that I'm still angry with the way things are. Having met Northy and his son I'm not sure there is anything "smug" about him mate he's a smashing bloke who did me a favour when I was daft enough to leave my duisburg match tickets at home before flying out to Germany and he put himself out to bring them over to me. No room for nuance on here with some, you're either one of "us" or one of "them".........
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Post by starkiller on Jun 22, 2021 8:31:20 GMT
No but the majority of pubs are struggling to break even, live entertainment and nightclub sector is down the shit-pan, travel industry is teetering on the edge of extinction, Millions of jobs are still at risk with no extra support even with the delay. Furlough scales back from July 1st and that extra 10% of wage contribution will likely see more redundancies as these companies simply do not have the cashflow or reserves anymore. Which then is a massive knock on to society, strain on the NHS through mental health resource, MORE strain on the public purse due to people on UC etc. A lot of freedoms have been granted back (and rightfully so, don't be thanking the government for giving you back what is rightfully yours!). I'll be fucked if having to, sign in, sit at a maximum table of 6, mask on to go for a shit, unable to go abroad without having to isolate myself from the world for 10 days (even though I have been double vaccinated) etc etc... is any form of normality or liberal society. It is still very totalitarian that cannot be denied, the arguments for and against the delay is where the issue sits, however we are here now, July 19th must be the end. With you on that. There’s no point pretending that this is normal. It isn’t. People have been psychologically trained into accepting this 'normal', without even realising they've been psychologically trained. A job has been done on them. Bravo Susan Michie, SAGE, and the Behaviour Change 'Nudge' Unit. Mindtricks for the weak-minded.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2021 8:32:38 GMT
With you on that. There’s no point pretending that this is normal. It isn’t. People have been psychologically trained into accepting this 'normal', without even realising they've been psychologically trained. A job has been done on them. Bravo Susan Michie, SAGE, and the Behaviour Change nudge Unit. Mindtricks for the weak-minded. What would you have done last weekend that you couldn't under the current guidelines just out of interest?
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Post by zerps on Jun 22, 2021 8:40:35 GMT
Everything I've done myself. Still doesn't detract from the fact that we shouldn't be in this situation any longer and anyone who still advocates it is a complete nut job in my opinion. If the government hadn't fucked up and put India on the red list 3 weeks earlier we wouldn't be, direct your anger towards them...... You’re making the mistake of believing everything you hear in the media mate
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