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Post by musik on Jan 26, 2021 9:58:03 GMT
Q: is it possible to be informed about what kind of vaccine/what brand they'll give you, in advance?
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Post by westlandstokie on Jan 26, 2021 10:01:24 GMT
We've got all this to come over the coming months and years. People are angry, tired, depressed, socially deprived and in many cases unemployed. The latter point being the key trigger for UK unrest and violence I suspect. These lockdowns simply cannot carry on into spring/summer, regardless of the success rate of the vaccine. Get as many people vaccinated as you feasibly can by mid-March and then start to open up. They have to. And that doesn't just mean schools. I'd argue schools shouldn't be first given that's the main place this thing spreads. It's all well and good prioritising their education but that's all a bit pointless if there is no economy left for them. We have to get the economy moving as an absolute priority. I agree with this mate. A lot of people i speak to, who were right behind the Government from day one, are tired of all the disruption now. I know it’s a big call to loosen some of the guidelines but if they don’t, and soon, there is sure to be problems.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 10:12:08 GMT
We've got all this to come over the coming months and years. People are angry, tired, depressed, socially deprived and in many cases unemployed. The latter point being the key trigger for UK unrest and violence I suspect. These lockdowns simply cannot carry on into spring/summer, regardless of the success rate of the vaccine. Get as many people vaccinated as you feasibly can by mid-March and then start to open up. They have to. And that doesn't just mean schools. I'd argue schools shouldn't be first given that's the main place this thing spreads. It's all well and good prioritising their education but that's all a bit pointless if there is no economy left for them. We have to get the economy moving as an absolute priority. I agree with this mate. A lot of people i speak to, who were right behind the Government from day one, are tired of all the disruption now. I know it’s a big call to loosen some of the guidelines but if they don’t, and soon, there is sure to be problems. Absolutely mate. We can't carry on like this. The country is at breaking point. It's unusual to speak to someone these days who hasn't been affected mentally by these awful lockdowns.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 26, 2021 10:22:57 GMT
As was said, the not revealing of sources was absolutely fine. The lack of detail about how the “analysis was made” and then the admission that there wasn’t enough data made absolutely no sense. Nor did the 8% figure without showing any kind or working.
Speaking as someone who works in science, it doesn’t matter how serious a paper is or not, poor scientific communication and understanding is rife in all of the print press.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 26, 2021 10:23:47 GMT
We've got all this to come over the coming months and years. People are angry, tired, depressed, socially deprived and in many cases unemployed. The latter point being the key trigger for UK unrest and violence I suspect. These lockdowns simply cannot carry on into spring/summer, regardless of the success rate of the vaccine. Get as many people vaccinated as you feasibly can by mid-March and then start to open up. They have to. And that doesn't just mean schools. I'd argue schools shouldn't be first given that's the main place this thing spreads. It's all well and good prioritising their education but that's all a bit pointless if there is no economy left for them. We have to get the economy moving as an absolute priority. If Im being honest the Dutch are getting pretty fed up with it as well. Im no economist but it seems the Dutch economy has suffered less however. The curfew certainly has made people even more restless to a point where its a case of "should we recourse this" ? Ive got no answers for this other than its a delicate situation. Questions are being raised as regards to the parenting of the individuals being outside after curfew. If my lad wanted to go out, hed have to have a damn good reason for stepping outside. Dog walkers near me were attacked !! Just for walking their dog ( this is allowed for 15 minutes I believe where you have to have some form from the the local council with you...... ( and no they werent going dogging before anyone says ) Just hoping 'da yoof' get cold and fed up with it all and stop this unnecessary nonsense.
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Post by musik on Jan 26, 2021 10:24:45 GMT
Pfizer have charged Sweden for six doses per bottle, instead of five. The bottle contain six doses, but only five of them can be used because you spill. It requires a certain type of needles to use all six. Sweden refuses to pay. We have 6 other vaccines to choose from.
USA have ordered that special kind of needles, but it's a nisched product and the factory hasn't been able to produce that many yet.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 10:25:21 GMT
Maybe we'll end up in a "cod wars" situation with the EU. Forever known as "The vaccine wars".
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 10:27:05 GMT
We've got all this to come over the coming months and years. People are angry, tired, depressed, socially deprived and in many cases unemployed. The latter point being the key trigger for UK unrest and violence I suspect. These lockdowns simply cannot carry on into spring/summer, regardless of the success rate of the vaccine. Get as many people vaccinated as you feasibly can by mid-March and then start to open up. They have to. And that doesn't just mean schools. I'd argue schools shouldn't be first given that's the main place this thing spreads. It's all well and good prioritising their education but that's all a bit pointless if there is no economy left for them. We have to get the economy moving as an absolute priority. If Im being honest the Dutch are getting pretty fed up with it as well. Im no economist but it seems the Dutch economy has suffered less however. The curfew certainly has made people even more restless to a point where its a case of "should we recourse this" ? Ive got no answers for this other than its a delicate situation. Questions are being raised as regards to the parenting of the individuals being outside after curfew. If my lad wanted to go out, hed have to have a damn good reason for stepping outside. Dog walkers near me were attacked !! Just for walking their dog ( this is allowed for 15 minutes I believe where you have to have some form from the the local council with you...... ( and no they werent going dogging before anyone says ) Just hoping 'da yoof' get cold and fed up with it all and stop this unnecessary nonsense. I must say curfews seem an odd thing to implement. So you're already in lockdown but in addition to that they are making sure you're all at home by say 8pm?! Seems a fairly unnecessary addition to the already draconian measures in place!
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 26, 2021 10:28:25 GMT
18,042 deaths for the week ending 15 Jan. 4220 more than the 5 year average for that week. 4220 excess deaths in one week. Not just an average flu season. Figures from ONS
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 26, 2021 10:29:26 GMT
I agree with this mate. A lot of people i speak to, who were right behind the Government from day one, are tired of all the disruption now. I know it’s a big call to loosen some of the guidelines but if they don’t, and soon, there is sure to be problems. Absolutely mate. We can't carry on like this. The country is at breaking point. It's unusual to speak to someone these days who hasn't been affected mentally by these awful lockdowns. Agreed. It's a point I was making earlier. The overall strategy (or lack of) isnt working, so the never ending sacrifices, which are hitting some more than others, seem less and less worthwhile.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 10:34:20 GMT
You just know the BBC and Sky cannot wait for their "UK death toll passes 100,000" headline. They've got their words ready and are absolute primed, ready and raring to go with yet another unhelpful, inaccurate, scare mongering piece of shit story.
As we've already established, the death toll is nowhere near 100,000 when considering the thousands of people who have died from horrifying injuries sustained in car accidents, heart failures and the many thousands of cancer patients along with all those with other fatal illnesses on their last legs who merely caught covid in hospital are being listed as "covid deaths".
The lazy reporting on deaths has been nothing short of appalling.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 26, 2021 10:35:23 GMT
I agree with this mate. A lot of people i speak to, who were right behind the Government from day one, are tired of all the disruption now. I know it’s a big call to loosen some of the guidelines but if they don’t, and soon, there is sure to be problems. Absolutely mate. We can't carry on like this. The country is at breaking point. It's unusual to speak to someone these days who hasn't been affected mentally by these awful lockdowns. Thing is their protests don't go far enough. They should be demanding to know how we stop all this happening again. Once Easyjet is back in the air and 'Spoons are open it will be assumed this is just a once in a century event we've just got through. But that's a mistaken sense of security. What's happened in the century since the Spanish flu has made the planet unrecognisable in terms of ecosystems diversity and inconnectivity. This could happen again in 5 years, never mind a hundred. Amd if the next one has the transmissability of measels and the mortality of ebola - well then we really are fucked. Trouble is - people who protest about that get dismissed as cranks and 'wokesters' by the very people who can't hack the pace now.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 26, 2021 10:36:49 GMT
If Im being honest the Dutch are getting pretty fed up with it as well. Im no economist but it seems the Dutch economy has suffered less however. The curfew certainly has made people even more restless to a point where its a case of "should we recourse this" ? Ive got no answers for this other than its a delicate situation. Questions are being raised as regards to the parenting of the individuals being outside after curfew. If my lad wanted to go out, hed have to have a damn good reason for stepping outside. Dog walkers near me were attacked !! Just for walking their dog ( this is allowed for 15 minutes I believe where you have to have some form from the the local council with you...... ( and no they werent going dogging before anyone says ) Just hoping 'da yoof' get cold and fed up with it all and stop this unnecessary nonsense. I must say curfews seem an odd thing to implement. So you're already in lockdown but in addition to that they are making sure you're all at home by say 8pm?! Seems a fairly unnecessary addition to the already draconian measures in place! All the essential shops that are currently open have to close at 20.30 to ensure people have enough time to get home for the curfew at 21.00 Then the Police come and patrol the streets along with the community bobbies or "handhaving" to give them their proper names. I put my bins out at 22.00 last night ( what a rebel hey !) and just stood for a moment.........................and SILENCE! Near me is a motorway which you can normally hear humming in the distance - and nothing ! Not a peep, no cars on streets- nowt. Its eery and quite beautiful at the same time to stand in silence.... quite a feeling
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 26, 2021 10:37:44 GMT
We've got all this to come over the coming months and years. People are angry, tired, depressed, socially deprived and in many cases unemployed. The latter point being the key trigger for UK unrest and violence I suspect. These lockdowns simply cannot carry on into spring/summer, regardless of the success rate of the vaccine. Get as many people vaccinated as you feasibly can by mid-March and then start to open up. They have to. And that doesn't just mean schools. I'd argue schools shouldn't be first given that's the main place this thing spreads. It's all well and good prioritising their education but that's all a bit pointless if there is no economy left for them. We have to get the economy moving as an absolute priority. If Im being honest the Dutch are getting pretty fed up with it as well. Im no economist but it seems the Dutch economy has suffered less however. The curfew certainly has made people even more restless to a point where its a case of "should we recourse this" ? Ive got no answers for this other than its a delicate situation. Questions are being raised as regards to the parenting of the individuals being outside after curfew. If my lad wanted to go out, hed have to have a damn good reason for stepping outside. Dog walkers near me were attacked !! Just for walking their dog ( this is allowed for 15 minutes I believe where you have to have some form from the the local council with you...... ( and no they werent going dogging before anyone says ) Just hoping 'da yoof' get cold and fed up with it all and stop this unnecessary nonsense. Made the BBC news today.....
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 26, 2021 10:38:59 GMT
We've got all this to come over the coming months and years. People are angry, tired, depressed, socially deprived and in many cases unemployed. The latter point being the key trigger for UK unrest and violence I suspect. These lockdowns simply cannot carry on into spring/summer, regardless of the success rate of the vaccine. Get as many people vaccinated as you feasibly can by mid-March and then start to open up. They have to. And that doesn't just mean schools. I'd argue schools shouldn't be first given that's the main place this thing spreads. It's all well and good prioritising their education but that's all a bit pointless if there is no economy left for them. We have to get the economy moving as an absolute priority. I agree with this mate. A lot of people i speak to, who were right behind the Government from day one, are tired of all the disruption now. I know it’s a big call to loosen some of the guidelines but if they don’t, and soon, there is sure to be problems. I think people have already written February (and maybe a couple of weeks in March) off in their heads but after that its going to be very hard to keep people cooperating. The government needs to get us in tiers asap and then a gradual relaxing of restrictions. Most people could live with what things were like over the summer i.e. most things open but in a controlled fashion.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 10:41:05 GMT
Absolutely mate. We can't carry on like this. The country is at breaking point. It's unusual to speak to someone these days who hasn't been affected mentally by these awful lockdowns. Thing is their protests don't go far enough. They should be demanding to know how we stop all this happening again. Once Easyjet is back in the air and 'Spoons are open it will be assumed this is just a once in a century event we've just got through. But that's a mistaken sense of security. What's happened in the century since the Spanish flu has made the planet unrecognisable in terms of ecosystems diversity and inconnectivity. This could happen again in 5 years, never mind a hundred. Amd if the next one has the transmissability of measels and the mortality of ebola - well then we really are fucked. Trouble is - people who protest about that get dismissed as cranks and 'wokesters' by the very people who can't hack the pace now. I don't disagree with much of that. Has the world just set a disturbing precedent? Whenever we get another potentially threatening virus anywhere in the world, do we shut the country down for months on end? If we get another Ebola esc virus which has been confined to Africa, will the rest of the world immediately go into lockdown out of fear of another covid saga? One thing is for certain - this whole covid episode will haunt us for the rest of our lives and at the first sign of a new virus, I strongly suspect we will all go into total meltdown and have those awful flashbacks to both the depressing misery of lockdowns and the images of full hospital wards. I guess a little bit like those who have war flashbacks. I guess one thing we've all learnt is that nature is stronger than we are and always will be. Which in a perverse way is quite reassuring ☺️
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 26, 2021 10:41:22 GMT
The actual statement by the German health ministry.
(May as well caveat this with apparently, because you know...)
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2021 10:41:31 GMT
I must say curfews seem an odd thing to implement. So you're already in lockdown but in addition to that they are making sure you're all at home by say 8pm?! Seems a fairly unnecessary addition to the already draconian measures in place! All the essential shops that are currently open have to close at 20.30 to ensure people have enough time to get home for the curfew at 21.00 Then the Police come and patrol the streets along with the community bobbies or "handhaving" to give them their proper names. I put my bins out at 22.00 last night ( what a rebel hey !) and just stood for a moment.........................and SILENCE! Near me is a motorway which you can normally hear humming in the distance - and nothing ! Not a peep, no cars on streets- nowt. Its eery and quite beautiful at the same time to stand in silence.... quite a feeling Blimey that is extreme stuff!!!
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 26, 2021 10:42:50 GMT
Someone will be joining the ever growing unemployment queue. I'm told The Sent*nel have signed up the reporter in question to head up its newsdesk.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 26, 2021 10:46:52 GMT
Thing is their protests don't go far enough. They should be demanding to know how we stop all this happening again. Once Easyjet is back in the air and 'Spoons are open it will be assumed this is just a once in a century event we've just got through. But that's a mistaken sense of security. What's happened in the century since the Spanish flu has made the planet unrecognisable in terms of ecosystems diversity and inconnectivity. This could happen again in 5 years, never mind a hundred. Amd if the next one has the transmissability of measels and the mortality of ebola - well then we really are fucked. Trouble is - people who protest about that get dismissed as cranks and 'wokesters' by the very people who can't hack the pace now. I don't disagree with much of that. Has the world just set a disturbing precedent? Whenever we get another potentially threatening virus anywhere in the world, do we shut the country down for months on end? If we get another Ebola esc virus which has been confined to Africa, will the rest of the world immediately go into lockdown out of fear of another covid saga? One thing is for certain - this whole covid episode will haunt us for the rest of our lives and at the first sign of a new virus, I strongly suspect we will all go into total meltdown and have those awful flashbacks to both the depressing misery of lockdowns and the images of full hospital wards. I guess a little bit like those who have war flashbacks. I guess one thing we've all learnt is that nature is stronger than we are and always will be. Which in a perverse way is quite reassuring ☺️ Absolutely. The 6000 years of human 'civilisation' has changed our billions years old planet beyond all recognition. We consider it for the better but it has only been for the better of us. I reckon the rest of earth's inhabitants would be more than happy if we just fucked off and never came back.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 26, 2021 10:48:12 GMT
If Im being honest the Dutch are getting pretty fed up with it as well. Im no economist but it seems the Dutch economy has suffered less however. The curfew certainly has made people even more restless to a point where its a case of "should we recourse this" ? Ive got no answers for this other than its a delicate situation. Questions are being raised as regards to the parenting of the individuals being outside after curfew. If my lad wanted to go out, hed have to have a damn good reason for stepping outside. Dog walkers near me were attacked !! Just for walking their dog ( this is allowed for 15 minutes I believe where you have to have some form from the the local council with you...... ( and no they werent going dogging before anyone says ) Just hoping 'da yoof' get cold and fed up with it all and stop this unnecessary nonsense. Made the BBC news today..... Cheers for that... I hadnt seen it. The 'political leaders' they mention adding fuel to the fire so to say, is a guy called Geert Wilders. Some far right nutjob who wants to kick out all the Morocans from Holland. Another ( to a lesser extent) is Thierry Baudet. The comparison to Nazi occupation is NOTHING like this and only adds fuel to the fire - thats my opinion. THe Dutch suffered terribly during WWII and to compare the two is is just crass and disrespectful...... very poor journalism. Whether this is the BBC slant on it OR this has been reported TO her from an authority I dont know, but Ive not read ANY such comparisons over the last few days.....very distasteful in my opinion To round it off as I ve mentioned previously its just a load of knobs letting off steam and hopefully they will start to think twice about their actions.
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Post by EccyStokie on Jan 26, 2021 10:55:06 GMT
3 times my sister has been taken to hospital in an ambulance with non COVID respiratory problems. 3 times she’s been sent home. First time they tried to put her in a covid ward without testing first, the result could have killed her.
Local GP’s won’t answer the phone and 111 is jammed with vaccine enquiries.
“The new normal” can get fucked.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 26, 2021 10:55:54 GMT
All the essential shops that are currently open have to close at 20.30 to ensure people have enough time to get home for the curfew at 21.00 Then the Police come and patrol the streets along with the community bobbies or "handhaving" to give them their proper names. I put my bins out at 22.00 last night ( what a rebel hey !) and just stood for a moment.........................and SILENCE! Near me is a motorway which you can normally hear humming in the distance - and nothing ! Not a peep, no cars on streets- nowt. Its eery and quite beautiful at the same time to stand in silence.... quite a feeling Blimey that is extreme stuff!!! Thats open to interpretation mate.....some see it as extreme, others see it as a quickening to coming out of this mess. I understand WHY they have taken these measures...... WHere is the balance though ? It doesnt effect me as Ive been home for months and months and only go out in the back yard.
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Post by musik on Jan 26, 2021 10:57:10 GMT
3 times my sister has been taken to hospital in an ambulance with non COVID respiratory problems. 3 times she’s been sent home. First time they tried to put her in a covid ward without testing first, the result could have killed her. Local GP’s won’t answer the phone and 111 is jammed with vaccine enquiries. “The new normal” can get fucked. Has she got asthma?
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Post by musik on Jan 26, 2021 11:03:05 GMT
At last. 😅
Sweden seem to have arranged the priority groups for the vaccination program locally here.
1) Old people with Home Care Service. People of any age who live with such a person.
2) People +70.
I think it's fair and I simply have to wait then.
Personally, I think the covid cases will diminish much when it gets warmer in April to August, so many won't take any vaccine injection because they think the pandemic is over by then.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 26, 2021 11:27:13 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jan 26, 2021 11:39:09 GMT
Looks like the brave Dutch cops have got this covered...
This one is a classic..
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 26, 2021 11:49:30 GMT
Looks like the brave Dutch cops have got this covered... This one is a classic.. That last one ... as soon as they started to back away, you knew what was coming.
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Post by dexta on Jan 26, 2021 11:52:24 GMT
Looks like the brave Dutch cops have got this covered... This one is a classic.. old bill will always be the biggest thugs ever
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Post by maxplonk on Jan 26, 2021 11:54:06 GMT
Lilian, 96, calls Boris a 'w****r' after identical twin Doris dies of Covid metro.co.uk t.co/RWY2hQPqwu?amp=1
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