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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 24, 2021 16:06:19 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:07:31 GMT
Jesus mate can't you see what the media are doing here? For 10 months almost every headline every minute of every day has been so fucking negative beyond belief. They completely dismiss any ounce of positivity or glimmer of hope and completely trounce good news stories with negative propaganda. Which with respect, certain posters lap up and buy into. Its just astounding how some people are actually willing on this constant scare mongering, shower of negative shit. Why can't you see that? It's so obvious 😂 It's almost like some are actually enjoying the misery. Let’s say you are right. Tell me why there is this negative propaganda? What is the desired outcome? If your answer is so the government can force this lockdown on us, tell me why the government want to do that, if it isn’t to do with reducing virus levels and protecting public health? We know why. Negative shock tactics and large scale exaggeration sells a million times better than positivity. It has always done, history tells us that.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:09:53 GMT
There will be a lot more of this. Large scale unrest hasn't even got started yet. Wait until the job losses kick in.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:10:53 GMT
Deaths over 50% down on yesterday and cases significantly down yet again.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 24, 2021 16:12:41 GMT
As expected, wasn’t the general consensus that it would peak on January 22nd then start to decrease again?
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Post by chad on Jan 24, 2021 16:16:15 GMT
Let’s say you are right. Tell me why there is this negative propaganda? What is the desired outcome? If your answer is so the government can force this lockdown on us, tell me why the government want to do that, if it isn’t to do with reducing virus levels and protecting public health? We know why. Negative shock tactics and large scale exaggeration sells a million times better than positivity. It has always done, history tells us that. That’s complete bollox. The sun / mirror/ telegraph / guardian etc do not sell more or less papers on the basis of headlines If they do where’s the proof Also you e never answered what you believe the government gains from lockdowns .?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 24, 2021 16:16:56 GMT
You are advocating the closure of a media outlet because it's output doesn't conform to your political agenda and have repeatedly moaned about the BBC not reporting politically correct happy news. A free press means having a range of media outlets representing different view points and allowing people to make their own minds up. Oh and sometimes the news is a bit shit. I don’t think it’s got anything to do with political agenda, I think it’s more the hearts and minds of the nation that the media seem to be intent on destroying that is the issue. Give good then cancel out with bad, you must be able to see this is not good. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-55784199It's not good but it happens to be true. This idea that the media should only publish happy news or news that conforms to a particular political outlook is what scares me.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 24, 2021 16:17:49 GMT
There will be a lot more of this. Large scale unrest hasn't even got started yet. Wait until the job losses kick in. Sadly you could be right..... I understand they brought in the curfew to help the recovery quicker - meaning to come out of lockdown quicker to the benefit of everyone . The problem is you always have a small minority who just won’t follow the law...... I have absolutely zero sympathy for them Weirdly our employment figures have gone down..... haven’t quite worked that one out yet.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 24, 2021 16:18:45 GMT
Let’s say you are right. Tell me why there is this negative propaganda? What is the desired outcome? If your answer is so the government can force this lockdown on us, tell me why the government want to do that, if it isn’t to do with reducing virus levels and protecting public health? We know why. Negative shock tactics and large scale exaggeration sells a million times better than positivity. It has always done, history tells us that. From the press perspective. But how can you explain the negative quotes from the government? You seem to be saying throughout this thread, that the lockdown isn’t needed and the negative shock tactics by the government are to scare people needlessly. If that is the case, why would the government do that? Why would they intentionally damage the economy if it is just to scare people and not for public health interests? The pandemic and government screw up after screw up and U turn after U turn isn’t playing well with the public. Also, Boris Johnson’s entire political career has been based on ignoring hard facts, being overly jolly and ignoring the implications of that. I would say he has continued that in the pandemic which has exposed him as out of his depth to make serious decisions at the right time. If it is all for show, and not to protect public health, why are they doing it?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:21:40 GMT
We know why. Negative shock tactics and large scale exaggeration sells a million times better than positivity. It has always done, history tells us that. That’s complete bollox. The sun / mirror/ telegraph / guardian etc do not sell more or less papers on the basis of headlines If they do where’s the proof Also you e never answered what you believe the government gains from lockdowns .? Sorry? So you think that the mainstream media over the years has more often than not reported good news over bad news and prefers moderation over shock tactics? 😂 Come off it. Re the government - what a ridiculous question. The government aren't gaining anything from this (well, some might argue further control and lining the pockets of certain individuals but that's probably another debate). The government are massively losing out on this. They are plunging the country into the biggest economical catastrophe on record. Believe it or not, most who question lockdowns are not conspiracy theorists, but that doesn't make the government's consistently shocking decision making exempt from criticism.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2021 16:21:50 GMT
I don't get your point mate. The BBC should be keeping us in the dark about important developments like this? Forcing more political control over the media to keep the public less informed doesn't sound like a great improvement to our society imo. Jesus mate can't you see what the media are doing here? For 10 months almost every headline every minute of every day has been so fucking negative beyond belief. They completely dismiss any ounce of positivity or glimmer of hope and completely trounce good news stories with negative propaganda. Which with respect, certain posters lap up and buy into. Its just astounding how some people are actually willing on this constant scare mongering, shower of negative shit. Why can't you see that? It's so obvious 😂 It's almost like some are actually enjoying the misery. I get where you're coming from mate but don't you think news has had a negative slant way before coronavirus though? This year has been particularly shit so there have been some egregious examples but I think the BBC is absolutely right to report on facts about new variants that could really affect us. Far better than hiding that information to push some agenda. Were you bothered about all the endless negative campaigning by the likes of the Mail and the Express about immigration & crime, for example? I'd judge it overall based on how well the need is reporting reality and the BBC telling us about the SA variant turning up is important enough. The current headline is "75% of over 80s have had first jab", which is brilliant. I don't think they should cover up a story just because it's positive or negative.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:24:40 GMT
I don’t think it’s got anything to do with political agenda, I think it’s more the hearts and minds of the nation that the media seem to be intent on destroying that is the issue. Give good then cancel out with bad, you must be able to see this is not good. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-55784199It's not good but it happens to be true. This idea that the media should only publish happy news or news that conforms to a particular political outlook is what scares me. And you know what's also true? We've just had figures released stating we've vaccinated 6 million people. You know what's also true? We've had over 50% less recorded deaths than yesterday. You know what's also true? We had the best part of 10,000 less cases than yesterday. But no - let's report on the 77 cases of the South African variant. Fuck dude surely you can see how ridiculous this looks?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 24, 2021 16:24:57 GMT
As expected, wasn’t the general consensus that it would peak on January 22nd then start to decrease Sunday is a lottery though first few days of next week average will be more telling hopefully it’s a trend though , which would also support lockdown working .
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2021 16:25:18 GMT
As expected, wasn’t the general consensus that it would peak on January 22nd then start to decrease again? Dr Annan's model was giving 22nd with a window of about 3 days either side. Case numbers still looking ok! Well on course to reopening schools in February. I think the ideal would be mid-Feb lower tiers in regions with very low virus levels but otherwise wait a couple of weeks to check the schools aren't soaring it too much then start a general lowering. If the schools make it boom again though then we'd have to wait for the vaccination of the most vulnerable to be done.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:26:27 GMT
Jesus mate can't you see what the media are doing here? For 10 months almost every headline every minute of every day has been so fucking negative beyond belief. They completely dismiss any ounce of positivity or glimmer of hope and completely trounce good news stories with negative propaganda. Which with respect, certain posters lap up and buy into. Its just astounding how some people are actually willing on this constant scare mongering, shower of negative shit. Why can't you see that? It's so obvious 😂 It's almost like some are actually enjoying the misery. I get where you're coming from mate but don't you think news has had a negative slant way before coronavirus though? This year has been particularly shit so there have been some egregious examples but I think the BBC is absolutely right to report on facts about new variants that could really affect us. Far better than hiding that information to push some agenda. Were you bothered about all the endless negative campaigning by the likes of the Mail and the Express about immigration & crime, for example? I'd judge it overall based on how well the need is reporting reality and the BBC telling us about the SA variant turning up is important enough. The current headline is "75% of over 80s have had first jab", which is brilliant. I don't think they should cover up a story just because it's positive or negative. See my above comment mate. Loads of good news stories today that trump the "we've got 77 cases of a new variant" that actually isn't proven to be anymore dangerous than any other variant. But no - they choose to go with a complete nothing story that inflicts more scare mongering and misery on a population that is already at breaking point.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2021 16:26:48 GMT
It's not good but it happens to be true. This idea that the media should only publish happy news or news that conforms to a particular political outlook is what scares me. And you know what's also true? We've just had figures released stating we've vaccinated 6 million people. You know what's also true? We've had over 50% less recorded deaths than yesterday. You know what's also true? We had the best part of 10,000 less cases than yesterday. But no - let's report on the 77 cases of the South African variant. Fuck dude surely you can see how ridiculous this looks? The current headline is on how many vaccinations have been done. New variants are complete game changers if they're better at spreading, more lethal or resist vaccines. It's potentially major major news and you haven't persuaded me otherwise.
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Post by hcstokie on Jan 24, 2021 16:29:24 GMT
As expected, wasn’t the general consensus that it would peak on January 22nd then start to decrease again? Dr Annan's model was giving 22nd with a window of about 3 days either side. Case numbers still looking ok! Well on course to reopening schools in February. I think the ideal would be mid-Feb lower tiers in regions with very low virus levels but otherwise wait a couple of weeks to check the schools aren't soaring it too much then start a general lowering. If the schools make it boom again though then we'd have to wait for the vaccination of the most vulnerable to be done. I don’t think they’ll open that early. I suspect they may keep them closed until mid-March to April and get all the over 70s vaccinated first. I hate the lockdowns but I’m at the point now where for the sake of a few weeks of schooling if it means we can get all the highest priorities vaccinated and then have a more permanent easing of restrictions I think that’s a price worth paying.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 24, 2021 16:32:15 GMT
Genuine question. Would you report a neighbour for having a friend round?
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Post by Davef on Jan 24, 2021 16:32:42 GMT
Very good thread...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 16:33:09 GMT
And you know what's also true? We've just had figures released stating we've vaccinated 6 million people. You know what's also true? We've had over 50% less recorded deaths than yesterday. You know what's also true? We had the best part of 10,000 less cases than yesterday. But no - let's report on the 77 cases of the South African variant. Fuck dude surely you can see how ridiculous this looks? The current headline is on how many vaccinations have been done. New variants are complete game changers if they're better at spreading, more lethal or resist vaccines. It's potentially major major news and you haven't persuaded me otherwise. No its not, the new variant is! And why is it major major news in any way, shape or form?! That's like saying "one day we may get a variant that will end the world". It's a complete and utter nothing story! All "mays" and "could be's". Even if it was some ninja mutant strain that will kill us all, there is fuck all you and I can do about it. We've got into this awful mindset of fear. You can just totally see how totalitarian states are created. I think it's the most educating aspect of the past 10 months. Get the media onside, shut down and censor anything or anyone who questions you and you can get a population to do whatever you want them to do. I'm not for a minute suggesting that is what Boris has done btw, but it's nevertheless fascinating.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 16:36:00 GMT
Genuine question. Would you report a neighbour for having a friend round? The ones on the left of course not. The ones on the right filled by bin with their rubbish one week last year so maybe them😏
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 24, 2021 16:36:31 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 24, 2021 16:38:44 GMT
To be fair that’s a tremendous achievement, especially when you see the difference with the poor progress across the EU.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 16:40:51 GMT
To be fair that’s a tremendous achievement, especially when you see the difference with the poor progress across the EU. A fantastic achievement, just hope the rate keeps up
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 24, 2021 16:41:33 GMT
You are advocating the closure of a media outlet because it's output doesn't conform to your political agenda and have repeatedly moaned about the BBC not reporting politically correct happy news. A free press means having a range of media outlets representing different view points and allowing people to make their own minds up. Oh and sometimes the news is a bit shit. What? 😂 What has "defunding" the BBC got to do with free press? Why the fuck should people have to pay for the BBC? Surely even you don't agree with that. The irony of what you're suggesting is hysterical and I like how you're playing to it. Now referring to those who don't agree with the BBC as "politically correct". Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? 😂 One of the core reasons so many want the BBC defunding is in support of free press and the abolishment of the extreme political correctness that is completely dominating everything the BBC currently supports and claims. Although as with all these outfits, they don't always "do" what they claim to support - see the equal pay saga. The term "politically correct" has been hijacked by the right as a go to term of abuse for anyone with a liberal/left wing outlook. What it actually means is filtering discourse in a way that conforms to an unquestioning political ideology and at worse not allowing people to state things that may be politically unacceptable but actually true. There are some very valid criticisms of the liberal/left doing this but it is also actually what you and others have been advocating - the posts saying scientists and other qualified professionals shouldn't be given a platform because their professional opinion does not conform to their preconceived idea as to how the pandemic should be handled is a textbook example of "political correctness". And your particular brand of happy news is one of the more bizarre examples - just look at your post berating the BBC for having the audacity to publish a factually correct article about the South African Covid variant.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 24, 2021 16:58:47 GMT
Crikey, good going that. Every vaccine update impresses me more and more. Keep it going!
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jan 24, 2021 17:05:10 GMT
As expected, wasn’t the general consensus that it would peak on January 22nd then start to decrease again? Which is directly in line with when the seasonal flu peaked in 2019, weeks 3-4.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 24, 2021 17:14:27 GMT
The current headline is on how many vaccinations have been done. New variants are complete game changers if they're better at spreading, more lethal or resist vaccines. It's potentially major major news and you haven't persuaded me otherwise. No its not, the new variant is! And why is it major major news in any way, shape or form?! That's like saying "one day we may get a variant that will end the world". It's a complete and utter nothing story! All "mays" and "could be's". Even if it was some ninja mutant strain that will kill us all, there is fuck all you and I can do about it. We've got into this awful mindset of fear. You can just totally see how totalitarian states are created. I think it's the most educating aspect of the past 10 months. Get the media onside, shut down and censor anything or anyone who questions you and you can get a population to do whatever you want them to do. I'm not for a minute suggesting that is what Boris has done btw, but it's nevertheless fascinating. Huh, I got "Hancock says 75% of over 85s vaccinated". When I switch to the US version it's negative though ("coronavirus cases top 25 million in US"). Then when I switched back home it's FA cup but the top news story is still number vaccinated. I still think both the SA variant and number vaccinated are both worthy of headlines and won't give the BBC shit for covering either. I would give them shit if they'd not covered a new variant arriving in the UK or the vaccine progress though, because that would be hiding important info and misleading the public.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 24, 2021 17:15:49 GMT
You were operating the water cannons, weren't you? 😂
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Post by franklin on Jan 24, 2021 17:30:50 GMT
Genuine question. Would you report a neighbour for having a friend round? No.
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