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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 24, 2021 2:02:09 GMT
Noone is telling porkies, the statutory notices just don't catch most people infected. The excess deaths show it, roughly 75k extra Brits died last year. Covid is killing those tens of thousands, whether there's a "statutory notice" or not. By law all infectious diseases have to be reported to Public Health England. If what you say is the case then a lot of medical proffessionals are not complying with this. How can cases possibly go under the radar given the absolute obssession with the thing? That NOID data you posted is those reported by registered medical practitioners. Not those diagnosed via lab tests which are found here: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/951193/NOIDSOrganismsReport04012021.pdfHospital Labs, sometimes operated by and reported by RMPs will simply not be carrying these out in volume. (For obvious reasons) So the Laboratories are reporting them to PHE, hence the split. So no one is lying, it’s a split in reporting reflecting the fact most diagnoses are being reported by labs operated by people who are not RMPs. NOIDs normally exists to notify PHE of diseases that have the capacity to spread quickly, like measles. An entry into a NOID dataset doesn’t actually require a molecular diagnosis, clinical evidence is enough. That’s been the case since the late 60s to enable a speedy response to a potentially serious disease without having to wait around for a blood culture to grow for instance. So if anything, the fact these numbers are coming from labs doing molecular testing it is actually strengthening the data quality. |
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 6:56:43 GMT
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 7:01:40 GMT
One thing is for certain, people will choose career paths differently.
Essential works will Shirley be top priority in the future. The construction industry will see an influx of fresh blood along with nhs.
It’s been much needed for years too.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 7:32:14 GMT
I don't get upset by faceless internet no marks. Differing views is one thing, straight out covid denial is another........ That's a good description of you to be fair. I’ve met many people on here over the years. Mainly from the days when it was more of a community before the wind up merchants moved in. You keep trying to get a bite, but you’re still bringing absolutely nothing to the party........ |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2021 7:36:23 GMT
This is worth a read... Why Imperial College’s REACT study is so problematicIt is perfectly ok for experts to disagree, but they have an obligation to present their findings honestly. Imperial College would appear to have not done this, as that article demonstrates. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 7:48:38 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked
But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked
Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked
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Post by hotterpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:21:31 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked ☹️ Nearly a year of this now and no real sign of an end. To cap it all off my Mum's birthday will be known as Lockdown 1.0 Day from now on. Mind you mine's Hiroshima Day so not much better. Sister's is D-Day - much more upbeat! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:38:38 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked I believe it’s called “managing expectations” |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 24, 2021 8:38:50 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked It is as if the government have a media campaign with the aim of excusing their pathetic approach to dealing with the virus compared with everywhere else. 100,000 deaths and being top of the death rate charts is not excused by the difficulty of the situation because everyone is dealing with the same pandemic. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:41:14 GMT
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Post by westlandstokie on Jan 24, 2021 8:41:34 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked Spot on Salop...it does seem that every time we get a little piece of good news it’s instantly shot down with bad news. I’ve resigned myself to this shit lasting another 12 months...it’s as if the Government don’t want it to end...why would that be ? I’ve got my thoughts on this but it’s not for on here. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:41:38 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:42:11 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 8:47:41 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked I believe it’s called “managing expectations” Well if that's the case then they are doing a staggeringly bad job of it. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 8:48:50 GMT
*the totalitarian mob dislike this* |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:59:34 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 9:00:19 GMT
Brexit? Sorry, couldn't resist. But to respond to the histrionics of these images, vaccinations help people avoid being infected in the first place by reducing illness and transmission. And even if people who have been vaccinated can still transmit the virus, the effects of the illness are lessened so the impacts on the NHS and society in general are also reduced. We're not far off 10% of the population vaccinated, stop the overreacting! It's a pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of people die in pandemics and society is always affected. It's tragic for the individuals and their families and devastating for the world economy and society in general. Do some research into previous pandemics! Why people think we should be able to sail through this one without the same impacts is just odd. Even odder is pretending it's all not real just because for some reason you can't accept that sometimes something as small as a microbe can still wreak havoc in a species as supposedly advanced and intelligent as our own! |
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 9:00:41 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked Like clockwork mate. |
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 9:01:51 GMT
Because there’s a virus with a 99% survival rate that lives in ice creams. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 9:10:51 GMT
Brexit? Sorry, couldn't resist. But to respond to the histrionics of these images, vaccinations help people avoid being infected in the first place by reducing illness and transmission. And even if people who have been vaccinated can still transmit the virus, the effects of the illness are lessened so the impacts on the NHS and society in general are also reduced. We're not far off 10% of the population vaccinated, stop the overreacting! It's a pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of people die in pandemics and society is always affected. It's tragic for the individuals and their families and devastating for the world economy and society in general. Do some research into previous pandemics! Why people think we should be able to sail through this one without the same impacts is just odd. Even odder is pretending it's all not real just because for some reason you can't accept that sometimes something as small as a microbe can still wreak havoc in a species as supposedly advanced and intelligent as our own! It’s not about denying the pandemic it’s about weighing up the collateral damage |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 9:14:53 GMT
Brexit? Sorry, couldn't resist. But to respond to the histrionics of these images, vaccinations help people avoid being infected in the first place by reducing illness and transmission. And even if people who have been vaccinated can still transmit the virus, the effects of the illness are lessened so the impacts on the NHS and society in general are also reduced. We're not far off 10% of the population vaccinated, stop the overreacting! It's a pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of people die in pandemics and society is always affected. It's tragic for the individuals and their families and devastating for the world economy and society in general. Do some research into previous pandemics! Why people think we should be able to sail through this one without the same impacts is just odd. Even odder is pretending it's all not real just because for some reason you can't accept that sometimes something as small as a microbe can still wreak havoc in a species as supposedly advanced and intelligent as our own! It’s not about denying the pandemic it’s about weighing up the collateral damage Hold on a sec, you and Starkiller have been chief protagonists of the fake pandemic and scaremongering nonsense from the word go! It's. A. Pandemic. There's always death, there's always collateral damage. Obviously you're not happy with the extent of the collateral damage. However, you were quite happy to crow about ignoring the government's rules over Christmas, and now you're bleating about collateral damage. Go figure! |
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Post by Gods on Jan 24, 2021 9:25:06 GMT
Matty Hancock on Marr now
Nice gentle opener !
"UK highest number of daily covid deaths in the world, are you controlling the virus?"
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 9:26:21 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates.
But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon".
It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise.
These are fucking weird times.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 9:35:14 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates. But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon". It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise. These are fucking weird times. Could you have crow-barred in a few more lazy generalisations and over-reactions?  |
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Post by Gods on Jan 24, 2021 9:42:39 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates. But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon". It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise. These are fucking weird times. The trouble is defeating the virus and fixing the economy are not mutually exclusive they go hand in hand. And a policy of appeasement of the coronavirus does not work. This, incidentally, was the precise rearguard action tried by Neville Chamberlain  |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 24, 2021 9:49:28 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jan 24, 2021 9:53:08 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates. But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon". It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise. These are fucking weird times. It's because they aren't really left, they are middle ground. True socialist views are considered unelectable. Even in America Joe Biden is considered to be only slightly right of Stalin by 74 million of the population. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2021 9:57:27 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates. But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon". It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise. These are fucking weird times. It’s a consequence of applying normal political rules in abnormal times. Meaning, the opposition adopt a position they see as scoring most points of the Government. So, an attack along the lines of not being hard enough on lockdown makes perfect sense. There was a possibility of a different approach, which Starmer took for about 48 hours last Autumn when he started to challenge the Government on providing the evidence to support the actions they were taking. But he abandoned that quite promptly in favour of trying to score political points. So, what we have are Governments across the UK making massive decisions without having to provide justification and opposition complaining that everything is too little, too late. The consequence is we are being failed by our politicians of all colours. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2021 9:58:52 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates. But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon". It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise. These are fucking weird times. It's because they aren't really left, they are middle ground. True socialist views are considered unelectable. Even in America Joe Biden is considered to be only slightly right of Stalin by 74 million of the population. There you go, bianco, there's a couple more you could've crammed into your previous post |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 10:01:05 GMT
It's bizarre how the "new" Guardian reading white, middle class, snobby illiberal left seem to be absolutely lapping up the totalitarian measures, big tech censorship, seizing civil liberties and obliterating an economy that will absolutely hit the most vulnerable in society over the wealthy and the big corporates. But as we've learnt in recent times - the new left is at one with big corporates, working from home on big salaries, sat on their high horse, sipping their soy latte and supporting the cancelling of anything that dares questions the logic of covid lockdowns - they now refer to the masses as "gammon". It's just yet another staggering example of this sinister movement holding the working class masses with the utmost contempt while they side with everything the old left used to despise. These are fucking weird times. It’s a consequence of applying normal political rules in an normal times. Meaning, the opposition adopt a position they see as scoring most points of the Government. So, an attack along the lines of not being hard enough on lockdown makes perfect sense. There was a possibility of a different approach, which Starmer took for about 48 hours last Autumn when he started to challenge the Government on providing the evidence to support the actions they were taking. But he abandoned that quite promptly in favour of trying to score political points. So, what we have are Governments across the UK making massive decisions without having to provide justification and opposition complaining that everything is too little, too late. The consequence is we are being failed by our politicians of all colours. It's beyond words isn't it. Starmer's position is cringe worthy - "Let's encourage Boris to go even more totalitarian on already totalitarian measures, while racking up even more debt with even more hand outs". Yeah because that's gonna win over small business owners and the most vulnerable in society. |
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