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Post by Northy on Jan 14, 2021 19:07:53 GMT
Nope, if its lifestyle and not a real medical reason
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Jan 14, 2021 19:23:02 GMT
I really can't see how this is much different from going to see somebody who you're in a bubble with, they didn't even go into the care home, she's 94 and could be dead anytime soon. It's disgraceful, the police are turning into dickheads. Hilarious they have the nerve to push a recruitment drive right now to. Looking at it from both sides no fucker would want to be a police officer right now. Unless your an absolute cunt, which some are showing themselves to be.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 14, 2021 20:02:55 GMT
Any word from Mike Yeadon lately.
Looks like he was spectacularly wrong on the second wave issue although he seems have been more right than wrong on the herd immunity front, I’d be interested to hear his take now.
Along with the doctor who was labelled a loon for promoting ivermectin (than now seems like it has beneficial properties) it goes to show that the debate shouldn’t be binary.
I believe that we are storing up a catastrophic future disaster from lockdowns but others believe than without lockdowns we would be in an even worse position.
Whatever happens it’s going to be a distressing few years
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2021 20:21:24 GMT
Nope, if its lifestyle and not a real medical reason The point he's making is, if we want to protect the NHS, then do we need to do this? Their lifestyle choice (if that's actually what it is) is irrelevant, unless of course, you're going to refuse them a bed in hospital and just let them die of Covid.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 14, 2021 20:22:14 GMT
Any word from Mike Yeadon lately. Looks like he was spectacularly wrong on the second wave issue although he seems have been more right than wrong on the herd immunity front, I’d be interested to hear his take now. Along with the doctor who was labelled a loon for promoting ivermectin (than now seems like it has beneficial properties) it goes to show that the debate shouldn’t be binary. I believe that we are storing up a catastrophic future disaster from lockdowns but others believe than without lockdowns we would be in an even worse position. Whatever happens it’s going to be a distressing few years The economical and mental health pandemic that awaits along with the horrifying number of deaths due to untreated illness will trouble us for many years to come. All we can hope is that some form of normality can resume in March off the back of this dreadful lockdown and of course, the vaccination programme which will hopefully see numbers drop significantly by the end of February. The country is going to be in bad shape (as will society) off the back of these lockdowns but having a full spring and summer for people to enjoy can at least provide some consolation to those that have suffered so much.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 14, 2021 20:42:26 GMT
A moment of history, it's one year to the day since the WHO released this statement...
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Post by chad on Jan 14, 2021 20:48:49 GMT
A moment of history, it's one year to the day since the WHO released this statement... Well that went down bank rather quickly
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 14, 2021 20:53:09 GMT
A moment of history, it's one year to the day since the WHO released this statement... That turned out quite well.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 14, 2021 20:58:00 GMT
A moment of history, it's one year to the day since the WHO released this statement... Do the WHO have any sense of credibility left? They've had an absolute shocker along with many many epidemiologists. I wonder when the serious investigations will start on China.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 14, 2021 21:25:53 GMT
I do my best not to look at them but the headlines from the MM are disgusting aren't they? BBC news front page leading with South American borders being shut because of the Brazilian variant. More completely unnecessary and totally irrelevant scare mongering. Aside from the fact that no one is travelling anyway, the variant is totally unproven to be any more contagious or dangerous than previous variants. Why are they getting so much pleasure from this? It's beyond words.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 14, 2021 21:42:07 GMT
Any word from Mike Yeadon lately. Looks like he was spectacularly wrong on the second wave issue although he seems have been more right than wrong on the herd immunity front, I’d be interested to hear his take now. Along with the doctor who was labelled a loon for promoting ivermectin (than now seems like it has beneficial properties) it goes to show that the debate shouldn’t be binary. I believe that we are storing up a catastrophic future disaster from lockdowns but others believe than without lockdowns we would be in an even worse position. Whatever happens it’s going to be a distressing few years The economical and mental health pandemic that awaits along with the horrifying number of deaths due to untreated illness will trouble us for many years to come. All we can hope is that some form of normality can resume in March off the back of this dreadful lockdown and of course, the vaccination programme which will hopefully see numbers drop significantly by the end of February. The country is going to be in bad shape (as will society) off the back of these lockdowns but having a full spring and summer for people to enjoy can at least provide some consolation to those that have suffered so much. The only reason normality has a chance of returning to normal in March is BECAUSE of this terrible lockdown. Without it the infection rate would accelerate, thousands more would die either of Covid or as a result of hospitals turning patients away because they are overloaded with Covid cases. This lockdown is saving lives. It's crap and nobody wants it but things would be a damn sight worse without it and normality wouldn't be returning any time soon. Or do you think the government should end it now?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2021 23:05:36 GMT
The economical and mental health pandemic that awaits along with the horrifying number of deaths due to untreated illness will trouble us for many years to come. All we can hope is that some form of normality can resume in March off the back of this dreadful lockdown and of course, the vaccination programme which will hopefully see numbers drop significantly by the end of February. The country is going to be in bad shape (as will society) off the back of these lockdowns but having a full spring and summer for people to enjoy can at least provide some consolation to those that have suffered so much. The only reason normality has a chance of returning to normal in March is BECAUSE of this terrible lockdown. Without it the infection rate would accelerate, thousands more would die either of Covid or as a result of hospitals turning patients away because they are overloaded with Covid cases. This lockdown is saving lives. It's crap and nobody wants it but things would be a damn sight worse without it and normality wouldn't be returning any time soon. Or do you think the government should end it now? Do you know what, you don't half have a tendency to do this a lot on this thread (I'm not even sure that you even realise that you do it), that being, to misrepresent people's posts with your straw man replies ... If you actually read what he's written, he hasn't called for the government to end the present lockdown now, or even remotely suggested doing so, rather, he's offered an o bservation on how the lockdown is going to negatively effect us for many years to come. If you're going to challenge him on his post, challenge him on what he's actually said, not on the words that you've put into his mouth, do you think he's wrong in his assertion? And then he goes on to say, that even though we are going to be negatively impacted by the lockdown, he offers some positivity as he closes, by saying that hopefully the spring and summer will offer some consolation to those that have suffered so much.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2021 23:07:39 GMT
This usually means bad news. It’s going to be a new record high
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 14, 2021 23:14:36 GMT
BBC reporter in Los Angeles saying they are almost out of medical grade oxygen, and they are not admitting people that they think wont make it...What a call to make. 1 in 5 tested are positive...and the recent spike is 6 fold. Makes me wonder if they have a new strain there, and with LA being such a diverse city in terms of ethnicity could there maybe be an issue there with Hispanics, esp given this new South American strain.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2021 23:15:00 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 23:36:02 GMT
BBC reporter in Los Angeles saying they are almost out of medical grade oxygen, and they are not admitting people that they think wont make it...What a call to make. 1 in 5 tested are positive...and the recent spike is 6 fold. Makes me wonder if they have a new strain there, and with LA being such a diverse city in terms of ethnicity could there maybe be an issue there with Hispanics, esp given this new South American strain. Nah no one gives a fuck over there.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 15, 2021 0:16:51 GMT
The only reason normality has a chance of returning to normal in March is BECAUSE of this terrible lockdown. Without it the infection rate would accelerate, thousands more would die either of Covid or as a result of hospitals turning patients away because they are overloaded with Covid cases. This lockdown is saving lives. It's crap and nobody wants it but things would be a damn sight worse without it and normality wouldn't be returning any time soon. Or do you think the government should end it now? Do you know what, you don't half have a tendency to do this a lot on this thread (I'm not even sure that you even realise that you do it), that being, to misrepresent people's posts with your straw man replies ... If you actually read what he's written, he hasn't called for the government to end the present lockdown now, or even remotely suggested doing so, rather, he's offered an o bservation on how the lockdown is going to negatively effect us for many years to come. If you're going to challenge him on his post, challenge him on what he's actually said, not on the words that you've put into his mouth, do you think he's wrong in his assertion? And then he goes on to say, that even though we are going to be negatively impacted by the lockdown, he offers some positivity as he closes, by saying that hopefully the spring and summer will offer some consolation to those that have suffered so much. Paul, He's constantly posting that he doesn't agree with lockdowns and that they shouldn't be happening, in fact he's been doing it for best part of a year. He's also been saying every other week for the best part of a year that there's going to be riots and anarchy over here. He's happy to let people die as long as he can go on holiday and to the pub etc.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 15, 2021 4:07:47 GMT
BBC reporter in Los Angeles saying they are almost out of medical grade oxygen, and they are not admitting people that they think wont make it...What a call to make. 1 in 5 tested are positive...and the recent spike is 6 fold. Makes me wonder if they have a new strain there, and with LA being such a diverse city in terms of ethnicity could there maybe be an issue there with Hispanics, esp given this new South American strain. Nah no one gives a fuck over there. Almost everyone I've seen in LA county is wearing a mask and keeping distance, even outside. All the restaurants are only doing take away and the buses are clearly empty. I heard Orange County is not really giving a shit though.
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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 15, 2021 7:49:42 GMT
There is talk now of travel restrictions for people who have not been vaccinated, with google and Microsoft using tech to chip your passport. Is this a breach of privacy, or is it in the best interest of the general population. Haves and have nots are certainly going to divide opinion.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2021 8:03:15 GMT
Do you know what, you don't half have a tendency to do this a lot on this thread (I'm not even sure that you even realise that you do it), that being, to misrepresent people's posts with your straw man replies ... If you actually read what he's written, he hasn't called for the government to end the present lockdown now, or even remotely suggested doing so, rather, he's offered an o bservation on how the lockdown is going to negatively effect us for many years to come. If you're going to challenge him on his post, challenge him on what he's actually said, not on the words that you've put into his mouth, do you think he's wrong in his assertion? And then he goes on to say, that even though we are going to be negatively impacted by the lockdown, he offers some positivity as he closes, by saying that hopefully the spring and summer will offer some consolation to those that have suffered so much. Paul, He's constantly posting that he doesn't agree with lockdowns and that they shouldn't be happening, in fact he's been doing it for best part of a year. He's also been saying every other week for the best part of a year that there's going to be riots and anarchy over here. He's happy to let people die as long as he can go on holiday and to the pub etc. He's actually said, that he understands and accepts the need for the present lockdown. As for your last sentence, he hasn't ever said that at all mate.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 15, 2021 8:22:39 GMT
Nah no one gives a fuck over there. Almost everyone I've seen in LA county is wearing a mask and keeping distance, even outside. All the restaurants are only doing take away and the buses are clearly empty. I heard Orange County is not really giving a shit though. Am I right in thinking that LA county is largely Democrat and Orange County is largely Republican?
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 15, 2021 8:40:45 GMT
There is talk now of travel restrictions for people who have not been vaccinated, with google and Microsoft using tech to chip your passport. Is this a breach of privacy, or is it in the best interest of the general population. Haves and have nots are certainly going to divide opinion. Airline companies and anyone involved in large scale events (gigs, festivals etc) would be very keen on this idea as a means to be allowed to function sooner rather than later. Depends if you feel its the thin edge of the wedge or not with regards privacy/control - once the Covid vulnerable are immune, is this virus a problem? are we expected to all have a vaccine on a yearly basis and if we are, why not the flu one too to minimise winter pressures on the NHS? Or anything else the government decides is a necessity?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 15, 2021 8:42:56 GMT
Do you know what, you don't half have a tendency to do this a lot on this thread (I'm not even sure that you even realise that you do it), that being, to misrepresent people's posts with your straw man replies ... If you actually read what he's written, he hasn't called for the government to end the present lockdown now, or even remotely suggested doing so, rather, he's offered an o bservation on how the lockdown is going to negatively effect us for many years to come. If you're going to challenge him on his post, challenge him on what he's actually said, not on the words that you've put into his mouth, do you think he's wrong in his assertion? And then he goes on to say, that even though we are going to be negatively impacted by the lockdown, he offers some positivity as he closes, by saying that hopefully the spring and summer will offer some consolation to those that have suffered so much. Paul, He's constantly posting that he doesn't agree with lockdowns and that they shouldn't be happening, in fact he's been doing it for best part of a year. He's also been saying every other week for the best part of a year that there's going to be riots and anarchy over here. He's happy to let people die as long as he can go on holiday and to the pub etc. And you've been consistently lying for the past 10 months, trying to scare the shit out of other posters re this virus and along with the guy above, have done absolutely nothing but try and shut down anyone with an alternative view. You lost credibility years ago with your transfer bollocks, and you've totally lost credibility when it comes to coronavirus. I don't agree with blanket lockdowns and what's your point? Are you going to try and censor me because I disagree? Beyond words. P.s re the riots bit... I've said time and time again there will be civil unrest when the ticking time bomb of furlough ends. It doesn't take much of a historian to know that unemployment leads to civil unrest. Anarchy is another lie of yours because id never use that word.. I think you need to look to the States to see that. Stop making stuff up and giving people false hope.
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Post by werrington on Jan 15, 2021 8:43:45 GMT
There is talk now of travel restrictions for people who have not been vaccinated, with google and Microsoft using tech to chip your passport. Is this a breach of privacy, or is it in the best interest of the general population. Haves and have nots are certainly going to divide opinion. Airline companies and anyone involved in large scale events (gigs, festivals etc) would be very keen on this idea as a means to be allowed to function sooner rather than later. Depends if you feel its the thin edge of the wedge or not with regards privacy/control - once the Covid vulnerable are immune, is this virus a problem? are we expected to all have a vaccine on a yearly basis and if we are, why not the flu one too to minimise winter pressures on the NHS? Or anything else the government decides is a necessity? If people choose not to have the vaccine then they’ve chosen the risk involved I don’t get the argument tbh, if you’ve had the vaccine you’ll be fine and if you’ve chosen not too then that’s your risk It’s a worrying take if it’s used as a weapon
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 15, 2021 8:48:43 GMT
The only reason normality has a chance of returning to normal in March is BECAUSE of this terrible lockdown. Without it the infection rate would accelerate, thousands more would die either of Covid or as a result of hospitals turning patients away because they are overloaded with Covid cases. This lockdown is saving lives. It's crap and nobody wants it but things would be a damn sight worse without it and normality wouldn't be returning any time soon. Or do you think the government should end it now? Do you know what, you don't half have a tendency to do this a lot on this thread (I'm not even sure that you even realise that you do it), that being, to misrepresent people's posts with your straw man replies ... If you actually read what he's written, he hasn't called for the government to end the present lockdown now, or even remotely suggested doing so, rather, he's offered an o bservation on how the lockdown is going to negatively effect us for many years to come. If you're going to challenge him on his post, challenge him on what he's actually said, not on the words that you've put into his mouth, do you think he's wrong in his assertion? And then he goes on to say, that even though we are going to be negatively impacted by the lockdown, he offers some positivity as he closes, by saying that hopefully the spring and summer will offer some consolation to those that have suffered so much. Thanks Paul, I saw exactly where he was going with it hence didn't respond. Along with Hackett they try and shut down anyone who disagrees that blanket lockdowns are the answer to everything. They despise anyone with an alternative opinion and would censor and "Cancel" more people than Twitter if they could. I think it's called cancel culture 😊
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 15, 2021 8:50:05 GMT
Paul, He's constantly posting that he doesn't agree with lockdowns and that they shouldn't be happening, in fact he's been doing it for best part of a year. He's also been saying every other week for the best part of a year that there's going to be riots and anarchy over here. He's happy to let people die as long as he can go on holiday and to the pub etc. He's actually said, that he understands and accepts the need for the present lockdown. As for your last sentence, he hasn't ever said that at all mate. I've said it time and time again. I hate lockdowns and don't think we've done them in the right way throughout. However, due to the continuous mistakes of the past 10 months, we had no choice but to go into this latest lockdown. Let's hope its the final one. It has to be.
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Post by superjw on Jan 15, 2021 9:07:25 GMT
Airline companies and anyone involved in large scale events (gigs, festivals etc) would be very keen on this idea as a means to be allowed to function sooner rather than later. Depends if you feel its the thin edge of the wedge or not with regards privacy/control - once the Covid vulnerable are immune, is this virus a problem? are we expected to all have a vaccine on a yearly basis and if we are, why not the flu one too to minimise winter pressures on the NHS? Or anything else the government decides is a necessity? If people choose not to gave the vaccine then they’ve chosen the risk involved I don’t get the argument tbh, if you’ve had the vaccine you’ll be fine and if you’ve chosen not too then that’s your risk It’s a worrying take if it’s used as a weapon It's very worrying if used for our day to day activity. I get the travel element but ONLY when the whole population has been given and/or offered the vaccine. Let's say for example I've got a holiday booked for the summer and travel is permitted. My Mrs has had her vaccine as in NHS but I am nowhere near getting it and likely to be almost last on the list and get it by October if the government can be trusted. If the airlines do what is being reported by then, where do I stand just because I haven't had my chance to be vaccinated because of my age and health? Even though I want the vaccine and even would happily pay private if that ever became available. Will I get my money back? Can I be given other options to travel? Testing etc etc? Doing something like that before the masses have had vaccines is dangerous ground indeed.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 15, 2021 9:19:52 GMT
Went in my local newsagent this morning to pick up my copy of the BHW
And glanced at the papers and the headline on the mail this morning was the R rate has dropped to 0.6 in most areas Is this why the government no longer bangs on about the R rate anymore For months this was the benchmark and now doesn’t get a mention
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2021 9:21:42 GMT
It's all looking really encouraging ...
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Post by superjw on Jan 15, 2021 9:28:00 GMT
It's all looking really encouraging ... Very encouraging indeed, hopefully they can keep this up. Every improvement they make to the rollout gives more hope to come out of this as soon as possible. Every day now is vital
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