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Post by franklin on Dec 30, 2020 16:20:18 GMT
And you really think that would solve the problem? If it was as easy as that every country in the world would be doing it. Stop being so naive Because locking us down and destroying lives and livelihoods has been a massive success Its laughable not everyone will be on furlough more jobs lost and they don't give two shits. It doesn't effect them I'll explain it simply my eldest lad lost his job and home in Australia and I had to fly him home after months of paying for him to try and keep him in a house and fed. He returned home and got a new job in Milton Keynes 3 days later it went into teir 4. Returned home got another job in Hanley 5 days later we're in teir 4 another job lost no furlough. So fuck off with this lock us down we'll be fine it isn't and we won't and there are millions in this situation.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 30, 2020 16:21:13 GMT
And you really think that would solve the problem? If it was as easy as that every country in the world would be doing it. Stop being so naive Because locking us down and destroying lives and livelihoods has been a massive success There are no successes during a pandemic.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2020 16:21:23 GMT
Shield and vaccinate the vulnerable, continue with good hygiene and social distancing measures and get on with our lives And you really think that would solve the problem? If it was as easy as that every country in the world would be doing it. Stop being so naive That seems to be what China, Australia and others have done with much more success than we've achieved. Tough local lockdown where required and a drive to get life as close to normal as possible as quickly as possible
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 30, 2020 16:21:33 GMT
Secondary schools 18th January after mass testing Same with colleges I’m guessing?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 30, 2020 16:33:47 GMT
Ah yes.
Another lockdown.
10 months later.
After all of the other lockdowns have worked amazingly well.
What’s the old adage? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
People will just break these bullshit rules as an act of defiance (Rightly so), it would be safer in the long run to just let people get on with it, it’s like when your dad tells you to not sneak a beer out of the drinks cabinet when you’re underage, so what do you want to do more than anything? Pinch a pint out of the cupboard, if you give people a list of what they cannot do then they will try their utmost to do those very things, give people a choice.
Knew this was coming after the brief positivity everyone had over Christmas, got to keep project fear rolling.
Here’s to just existing gents, because there won’t be fuck all to go back to at this rate, apart from a quick chat in the dole queue when we’re all unemployed and destitute, but still we beat this thing didn’t we.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2020 16:37:18 GMT
"The announcement of the Oxford-AstraZeneca is very welcome, giving us another weapon with which to fight Covid-19. The conditions for use allow the second dose of the vaccine up to 12 weeks after the first, with some protection being provided from 22 days. It remains unclear exactly how much protection is offered, and the regulators are using un-published data to come to their judgement.
“When questioned, the regulators floated an efficacy of 70% between 22 days and 12 weeks, but it seems likely that this is a fleeting maximum rather than a consistent level of protection. The vaccine’s efficacy after 2 doses is 62%, so it looks likely that the higher number would only be very short lived.
“At a time of increasing rates of infection, hospitalisation and death from Covid-19, greater clarity is urgently needed over any risks associated with extending the second dose window to 12 weeks. It would be deeply unfortunate to increase the risk of vulnerable people so that low risk individuals can receive their first dose of the vaccine. At worst, this could mean a vulnerable person dying or going to Intensive Care, in order to stop a less vulnerable person having to spend a week ill in bed.”
Dr Simon Clarke, Associate Professor in Cellular Microbiology at the University of Reading
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Post by Davef on Dec 30, 2020 16:46:45 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2020 16:50:55 GMT
I think Hancock needs to address this ...
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2020 16:53:38 GMT
Natures way of fighting back
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2020 16:54:46 GMT
Ah yes. Another lockdown. 10 months later. After all of the other lockdowns have worked amazingly well. What’s the old adage? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. People will just break these bullshit rules as an act of defiance (Rightly so), it would be safer in the long run to just let people get on with it, it’s like when your dad tells you to not sneak a beer out of the drinks cabinet when you’re underage, so what do you want to do more than anything? Pinch a pint out of the cupboard, if you give people a list of what they cannot do then they will try their utmost to do those very things, give people a choice. Knew this was coming after the brief positivity everyone had over Christmas, got to keep project fear rolling. Here’s to just existing gents, because there won’t be fuck all to go back to at this rate, apart from a quick chat in the dole queue when we’re all unemployed and destitute, but still we beat this thing didn’t we. Locketts lane now those were the days
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 30, 2020 16:55:58 GMT
I think Hancock needs to address this ... Won't that be 530,000 in locations ready to jab on Monday not what's available waiting to be delivered?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 30, 2020 17:00:17 GMT
I think Hancock needs to address this ... Won't that be 530,000 in locations ready to jab not what's available waiting to be delivered? That's exactly what I mean by Hancock addressing it mate. They're interpreting what he said as meaning that we've got 530,000 ready now and then that's it until the millions that start coming through in February. He does tend to talk in riddles and I can see the point the journo's are making, it really does need clarifying.
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Post by chad on Dec 30, 2020 17:11:10 GMT
Ah yes. Another lockdown. 10 months later. After all of the other lockdowns have worked amazingly well. What’s the old adage? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. People will just break these bullshit rules as an act of defiance (Rightly so), it would be safer in the long run to just let people get on with it, it’s like when your dad tells you to not sneak a beer out of the drinks cabinet when you’re underage, so what do you want to do more than anything? Pinch a pint out of the cupboard, if you give people a list of what they cannot do then they will try their utmost to do those very things, give people a choice. Knew this was coming after the brief positivity everyone had over Christmas, got to keep project fear rolling. Here’s to just existing gents, because there won’t be fuck all to go back to at this rate, apart from a quick chat in the dole queue when we’re all unemployed and destitute, but still we beat this thing didn’t we. Were pushing 1000 deaths a day. Hospitals are bursting at the seams and you think the safest thing to do is let people “get on with it”. I assume you mean open up everything, shops, pubs, nightclubs How many deaths a day do you think that would lead to within a few weeks ???
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 30, 2020 17:16:08 GMT
Ah yes. Another lockdown. 10 months later. After all of the other lockdowns have worked amazingly well. What’s the old adage? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. People will just break these bullshit rules as an act of defiance (Rightly so), it would be safer in the long run to just let people get on with it, it’s like when your dad tells you to not sneak a beer out of the drinks cabinet when you’re underage, so what do you want to do more than anything? Pinch a pint out of the cupboard, if you give people a list of what they cannot do then they will try their utmost to do those very things, give people a choice. Knew this was coming after the brief positivity everyone had over Christmas, got to keep project fear rolling. Here’s to just existing gents, because there won’t be fuck all to go back to at this rate, apart from a quick chat in the dole queue when we’re all unemployed and destitute, but still we beat this thing didn’t we. Were pushing 1000 deaths a day. Hospitals are bursting at the seams and you think the safest thing to do is let people “get on with it”. I assume you mean open up everything, shops, pubs, nightclubs How many deaths a day do you think that would lead to within a few weeks ??? 2017 saw 64,000 people in this country die of flu, a number a lot higher than we currently sit on for Covid, hospitals, much like every year for Christ knows how long, were at absolute breaking point. Were you this bothered when that was happening? Or did you not take a blind bit of notice because all’s the media reported was patients in hospital corridors and then the reporting moved on to who’s grown the biggest Marrow in Suffolk. You’re only this alarmed because you’re being fed it every single day.
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2020 17:16:35 GMT
A sobering message from JVT.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 30, 2020 17:19:04 GMT
And you really think that would solve the problem? If it was as easy as that every country in the world would be doing it. Stop being so naive That seems to be what China, Australia and others have done with much more success than we've achieved. Tough local lockdown where required and a drive to get life as close to normal as possible as quickly as possible Where did they try "shielding the vulnerable" and "getting on with their lives"?* I'm aware of Wuhan and Melbourne both going into megalockdowns, followed by test & trace. That is the only way to get the virus under control, if you just shield the vulnerable then you have to ride it out until you get close to herd immunity and even then it's still circulating in pockets. *I'm not taking the piss, properly interested. I've been working on trying to understand this since March but I'm still just some random non-expert trying to work stuff out.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 30, 2020 17:19:47 GMT
Were pushing 1000 deaths a day. Hospitals are bursting at the seams and you think the safest thing to do is let people “get on with it”. I assume you mean open up everything, shops, pubs, nightclubs How many deaths a day do you think that would lead to within a few weeks ??? 2017 saw 64,000 people in this country die of flu, a number a lot higher than we currently sit on for Covid, hospitals, much like every year for Christ knows how long, were at absolute breaking point. Were you this bothered when that was happening? Or did you not take a blind bit of notice because all’s the media reported was patients in hospital corridors and then the reporting moved on to who’s grown the biggest Marrow in Suffolk. You’re only this alarmed because you’re being fed it every single day. How many people do you think would have died of Covid if the government had done nothing?
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Post by dexta on Dec 30, 2020 17:19:50 GMT
A sobering message from JVT. you got to like him.. He's the only one I trust tbh
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 30, 2020 17:21:45 GMT
The chart shows the amount of people going into hospital WITH Covid
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 30, 2020 17:22:30 GMT
2017 saw 64,000 people in this country die of flu, a number a lot higher than we currently sit on for Covid, hospitals, much like every year for Christ knows how long, were at absolute breaking point. Were you this bothered when that was happening? Or did you not take a blind bit of notice because all’s the media reported was patients in hospital corridors and then the reporting moved on to who’s grown the biggest Marrow in Suffolk. You’re only this alarmed because you’re being fed it every single day. How many people do you think would have died of Covid if the government had done nothing? Personally I think it will have plateaued as it naturally burnt itself out. Instead, we now have a faster spreading new variant that was allowed to thrive by these very lockdowns people are clamouring for due to people not being allowed out to boost their immune systems and having to sanitise their hands constantly. But yeah let’s have another one, the other 27 this year have worked really well.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 30, 2020 17:22:47 GMT
Ah yes. Another lockdown. 10 months later. After all of the other lockdowns have worked amazingly well. What’s the old adage? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. People will just break these bullshit rules as an act of defiance (Rightly so), it would be safer in the long run to just let people get on with it, it’s like when your dad tells you to not sneak a beer out of the drinks cabinet when you’re underage, so what do you want to do more than anything? Pinch a pint out of the cupboard, if you give people a list of what they cannot do then they will try their utmost to do those very things, give people a choice. Knew this was coming after the brief positivity everyone had over Christmas, got to keep project fear rolling. Here’s to just existing gents, because there won’t be fuck all to go back to at this rate, apart from a quick chat in the dole queue when we’re all unemployed and destitute, but still we beat this thing didn’t we. Were pushing 1000 deaths a day. Hospitals are bursting at the seams and you think the safest thing to do is let people “get on with it”. I assume you mean open up everything, shops, pubs, nightclubs How many deaths a day do you think that would lead to within a few weeks ??? TBF mate my Mrs went to her first day at her new job at the North Staffs Hospital yesterday and said it was the most boring day of work she’s ever had. Said it was deserted and couldn’t do anything because everything had already been done. Staff are falling over themselves for something to do she said🤷🏻♂️
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Post by dexta on Dec 30, 2020 17:24:47 GMT
Were pushing 1000 deaths a day. Hospitals are bursting at the seams and you think the safest thing to do is let people “get on with it”. I assume you mean open up everything, shops, pubs, nightclubs How many deaths a day do you think that would lead to within a few weeks ??? TBF mate my Mrs went to her first day at her new job at the North Staffs Hospital yesterday and said it was the most boring day of work she’s ever had. Said it was deserted and couldn’t do anything because everything had already been done. Staff are falling over themselves for something to do she said🤷🏻♂️ someone I know who works in icu said the exact opposite tbh
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 30, 2020 17:27:47 GMT
TBF mate my Mrs went to her first day at her new job at the North Staffs Hospital yesterday and said it was the most boring day of work she’s ever had. Said it was deserted and couldn’t do anything because everything had already been done. Staff are falling over themselves for something to do she said🤷🏻♂️ someone I know who works in icu said the exact opposite tbh I was there myself having treatment last week, obviously it changes departmentally but I did think it was quiet myself. But I guess everyone has their own outlooks on the situation so fair enough mate.
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Post by dexta on Dec 30, 2020 17:33:30 GMT
someone I know who works in icu said the exact opposite tbh I was there myself having treatment last week, obviously it changes departmentally but I did think it was quiet myself. But I guess everyone has their own outlooks on the situation so fair enough mate. blood pressure OK now fella.. You keeping of the sherbets and kebabs
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 30, 2020 17:37:29 GMT
I was there myself having treatment last week, obviously it changes departmentally but I did think it was quiet myself. But I guess everyone has their own outlooks on the situation so fair enough mate. blood pressure OK now fella.. You keeping of the sherbets and kebabs 😀 thanks for asking! Yeh it’s not as low as I want it but not too far off. Beers are few and far between, just stick to the old recommended allowance which is still a 75% reduction to what I was drinking. No kebabs from take aways though I do make my own healthy ones now and again. Just really annoyed the gyms are shut now, was adamant on 5 days a week. But yeh things are better and lost 4kg so far👍🏻
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Post by dexta on Dec 30, 2020 17:41:04 GMT
blood pressure OK now fella.. You keeping of the sherbets and kebabs 😀 thanks for asking! Yeh it’s not as low as I want it but not too far off. Beers are few and far between, just stick to the old recommended allowance which is still a 75% reduction to what I was drinking. No kebabs from take aways though I do make my own healthy ones now and again. Just really annoyed the gyms are shut now, was adamant on 5 days a week. But yeh things are better and lost 4kg so far👍🏻 well done fella had a Kebab from nige in longton quality tbh stay safe fella and keep it going
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Post by Davef on Dec 30, 2020 17:43:10 GMT
Care homes making up nearly a third of all Covid deaths. If that continues, there will be little alternative than to put the entire country into Tier 5.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 30, 2020 17:43:54 GMT
😀 thanks for asking! Yeh it’s not as low as I want it but not too far off. Beers are few and far between, just stick to the old recommended allowance which is still a 75% reduction to what I was drinking. No kebabs from take aways though I do make my own healthy ones now and again. Just really annoyed the gyms are shut now, was adamant on 5 days a week. But yeh things are better and lost 4kg so far👍🏻 well done fella had a Kebab from nige in longton quality tbh stay safe fella and keep it going Nidge 😫🤤. God I miss those guys! One for a special occasion😀 Nice one mate, appreciate it👍🏻
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 30, 2020 17:43:55 GMT
someone I know who works in icu said the exact opposite tbh I was there myself having treatment last week, obviously it changes departmentally but I did think it was quiet myself. But I guess everyone has their own outlooks on the situation so fair enough mate. The BBC in one article showed hospital admissions by region - it was going up big time in London and the South East, everywhere else it was going down. Of course this then influences the national picture because that is where the majority of people live. It’s like that old saying (sort of)... London sneezes and the rest of the U.K. goes into lockdown.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 30, 2020 17:53:36 GMT
TBF mate my Mrs went to her first day at her new job at the North Staffs Hospital yesterday and said it was the most boring day of work she’s ever had. Said it was deserted and couldn’t do anything because everything had already been done. Staff are falling over themselves for something to do she said🤷🏻♂️ someone I know who works in icu said the exact opposite tbh my mrs was in A-E Boxing Day with her Mother and it aint busy
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