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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2020 21:34:23 GMT
See professor Gilbert has joined the debate
“ Avoid wave 3 and we could be normal by summer , get a wave 3 and it’s a lot further away , due to inevitable disruption to vaccination plans a third wave brings “
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2020 22:51:07 GMT
Interesting article in the Sunday Times about events leading up to the second wave - linkFor fans of Gupta, Heneghan and Tegnell the good news is they did influence government policy. The bad news is it didn't work - and the resulting longer restrictions are going to have a worse effect on the economy than the proposed harder, earlier lockdowns they successfully helped persuade Johnson out of. Also the article claims Cummings became an advocate of short sharp lockdowns and he or someone in his area was probably responsible for the lockdown leak which was done to stop Johnson from flip flopping yet again. Johnson comes over as very weak and indecisive - his wanting people to like him makes him pretty useless as a leader in a time of crisis. A counter argument from Freddie Sayers of Unherd, who has been just about the most balanced journalist throughout the pandemic.
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2020 22:55:24 GMT
See professor Gilbert has joined the debate “ Avoid wave 3 and we could be normal by summer , get a wave 3 and it’s a lot further away , due to inevitable disruption to vaccination plans a third wave brings “ A continuation of the narrative that insists on blaming the public at large for failure of Government and scientific policy. We're seeing between 25% and 35% of cases contracted in hospital and it stands to reason that these are the most vulnerable people. The majority of people testing positive in the community are under the age of 50.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 13, 2020 23:15:31 GMT
Interesting article in the Sunday Times about events leading up to the second wave - linkFor fans of Gupta, Heneghan and Tegnell the good news is they did influence government policy. The bad news is it didn't work - and the resulting longer restrictions are going to have a worse effect on the economy than the proposed harder, earlier lockdowns they successfully helped persuade Johnson out of. Also the article claims Cummings became an advocate of short sharp lockdowns and he or someone in his area was probably responsible for the lockdown leak which was done to stop Johnson from flip flopping yet again. Johnson comes over as very weak and indecisive - his wanting people to like him makes him pretty useless as a leader in a time of crisis. A counter argument from Freddie Sayers of Unherd, who has been just about the most balanced journalist throughout the pandemic. Well that was weak.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 13, 2020 23:26:03 GMT
See professor Gilbert has joined the debate “ Avoid wave 3 and we could be normal by summer , get a wave 3 and it’s a lot further away , due to inevitable disruption to vaccination plans a third wave brings “ A continuation of the narrative that insists on blaming the public at large for failure of Government and scientific policy. We're seeing between 25% and 35% of cases contracted in hospital and it stands to reason that these are the most vulnerable people. The majority of people testing positive in the community are under the age of 50. 20,000 Cases a day translates to 15000 a day needing treatment escalate that number to 40000 as Xmas will see usa thanks giving and the NHS is overwhelmed with 3000 admissions a day . I’m not sure where government policy is failing in your eyes do you want them to open up ans let the virus run rife as your clearly opposed to lockdown .
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 13, 2020 23:32:33 GMT
See professor Gilbert has joined the debate “ Avoid wave 3 and we could be normal by summer , get a wave 3 and it’s a lot further away , due to inevitable disruption to vaccination plans a third wave brings “ A continuation of the narrative that insists on blaming the public at large for failure of Government and scientific policy. We're seeing between 25% and 35% of cases contracted in hospital and it stands to reason that these are the most vulnerable people. The majority of people testing positive in the community are under the age of 50. She's one of the most respected scientists in the UK who has helped deliver a vaccine in record time that will save lives and stop the economy going down the shitter. She's just telling it how it is and is trying to get people to do the right thing so this nightmare is over as quickly as possible. Anyone who has a problem with what she's saying is either an imbecile or has issues.
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Post by Gods on Dec 13, 2020 23:52:32 GMT
A continuation of the narrative that insists on blaming the public at large for failure of Government and scientific policy. We're seeing between 25% and 35% of cases contracted in hospital and it stands to reason that these are the most vulnerable people. The majority of people testing positive in the community are under the age of 50. She's one of the most respected scientists in the UK who has helped deliver a vaccine in record time that will save lives and stop the economy going down the shitter. She's just telling it how it is and is trying to get people to do the right thing so this nightmare is over as quickly as possible. Anyone who has a problem with what she's saying is either an imbecile or has issues. Indeed. She is giving it to you straight.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 13, 2020 23:55:34 GMT
A counter argument from Freddie Sayers of Unherd, who has been just about the most balanced journalist throughout the pandemic. Well that was weak. It says in that article; "The second wave started on July 5 ... The nadir of the epidemic was that week,” said the senior Sage adviser, who has asked not to be named.There were 555 cases that day, the trouble with both sides here is the total lack of balance. What does this SAGE advisor expect? He or she would have no responsibility for the huge economic impact. They'd have us all locked up permanently until we became completely bankrupt at least. They go on to say: The group wanted the government to introduce a “zero-Covid” strategy, which would mean bringing in measures to restrict the virus to less than 70 cases a day. This would not only save lives — it would benefit the economy, the group argued.Thank goodness they don't work for the Treasury. Some of these people need to start getting paid universal credit. Perhaps they wouldn't be so keen then to tell the country about what's best whilst insulated from everything that is happening and about to happen by January 1st.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 14, 2020 0:05:15 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 14, 2020 0:23:00 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 8:09:28 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 8:14:54 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 14, 2020 8:56:39 GMT
A continuation of the narrative that insists on blaming the public at large for failure of Government and scientific policy. We're seeing between 25% and 35% of cases contracted in hospital and it stands to reason that these are the most vulnerable people. The majority of people testing positive in the community are under the age of 50. 20,000 Cases a day translates to 15000 needing treatment. Do you have any data/proof to back up that quite ridiculous claim?
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Post by Gods on Dec 14, 2020 9:15:58 GMT
Throw in 5 days of xmas festive household gathering and then everyone indoors as temperatures fall in January while the vaccine roll out has hardly got started and the hospital numbers won't look pretty in Feb/March.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 14, 2020 9:21:57 GMT
20,000 Cases a day translates to 15000 needing treatment. Do you have any data/proof to back up that quite ridiculous claim? I think its a factor of ten out, the current daily "*admissions" (*debatable definition) has been around 1500 per day since mid October.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 14, 2020 9:53:23 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 14, 2020 11:09:05 GMT
20,000 Cases a day translates to 15000 needing treatment. Do you have any data/proof to back up that quite ridiculous claim? sorry meant 1500 that's enough to overload the NHS if it doubles was my point just too quick on the zeros its a factor of between 7and 10% need hospital treatment
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 14, 2020 12:23:11 GMT
It seems a strange stance to me. I hear the transmission in secondary schools is high but I'm not sure I then understand his defence of Christmas shopping. I get that its dials and you can configure this many different ways but I'm not sure I agree.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 14:50:34 GMT
I wonder if QPR fans will be allowed now tomorrow night🤔
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 14, 2020 15:00:08 GMT
I wonder if QPR fans will be allowed now tomorrow night🤔 Starts 00:01 on Wednesday apparently so it would seem so......
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Post by Northy on Dec 14, 2020 15:02:46 GMT
I wonder if QPR fans will be allowed now tomorrow night🤔 Matt Hancock in HoC at 3.30 for a statement
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 15:40:43 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 15:41:45 GMT
A new variant of Coronavirus is spreading rapidly
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Post by Davef on Dec 14, 2020 15:45:35 GMT
A new variant of Coronavirus is spreading rapidly Got a link to this information?
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Post by Davef on Dec 14, 2020 15:46:44 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 15:47:42 GMT
A new variant of Coronavirus is spreading rapidly Got a link to this information? Only what Hancock has just announced in the House of Commons
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Post by werrington on Dec 14, 2020 15:49:17 GMT
A new variant of Coronavirus is spreading rapidly But it’s nothing anybody is seriously concerned about Cmon mate give the whole story please
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:49:25 GMT
A new variant of Coronavirus is spreading rapidly He blames the new strain for the rise in cases in London. He says it's highly unlikely to resist the vaccine and no evidence to say that it is more serious. Posts like yours above spread panic, give the full information.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 15:50:31 GMT
A new variant of Coronavirus is spreading rapidly But it’s nothing anybody is seriously concerned about Cmon mate give the whole story please The whole story🤔I’m repeating what Hancock said FFS
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 15:51:50 GMT
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