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Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 27, 2020 22:19:50 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries. I wish that was the only place we were told to avoid, although that would still be wrong! Are bars/restaurants open all over Sweden?
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2020 22:23:01 GMT
I see I have to avoid board games now as well. Has anyone seen any advice on wiping your arse after the Christmas dinner dump, I might have missed it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473Judging by the replies, people aren't buying this nanny state bollocks anymore. Basically, enjoy your Christmas with your family, but if you feel ill or have classic symptoms, stay in bed or away from other households. Pretty simple really
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Post by musik on Nov 27, 2020 22:30:50 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries. I wish that was the only place we were told to avoid, although that would still be wrong! Are bars/restaurants open all over Sweden? The Prime Minister and FHM (People Health Agency) have told us to avoid: all kind of stores libraries restaurants, pubs, cafés, night clubs gyms all kind of traffic: buses, trams, trains, taxis but everything is open. Why? Tonight they said - AGAIN - on the news, in the Swedish Constitution there is no room for any physical lockdowns; they're not allowed to do it! So now they have already started to write a new Pandemic Law. It will be ready in a few years. This they knew from the start obviously, so it would have been fair not only to the people but also to the media, particularly those foreign papers writing articles about the swedish strategy. They didn't PICK this strategy, they didn't have any choice. We have no Law about this. Yet.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 27, 2020 22:42:11 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries. You're a lucky bunch.
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2020 22:52:43 GMT
Statista have now updated the monthly mortality data for England and Wales to include October. There were 56 more deaths this month than during last October.
Between June and October of this year there were 209,387 deaths. The same period last year saw 206,006 deaths.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 27, 2020 22:58:22 GMT
I see I have to avoid board games now as well. Has anyone seen any advice on wiping your arse after the Christmas dinner dump, I might have missed it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473The Monopoly dice are a super spreader event waiting to happen
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Post by andystokey on Nov 27, 2020 23:13:21 GMT
I see I have to avoid board games now as well. Has anyone seen any advice on wiping your arse after the Christmas dinner dump, I might have missed it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473The Monopoly dice are a super spreader event waiting to happen I think this advice was written by the SAGE expert Mr Cholmondley-Warner This will be Christmas in the Mogg household where " women keep up the traditions"
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 23:16:23 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries. I still think when the day of reckoning comes Sweden will be held as the model the world should have followed.
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Post by henry on Nov 27, 2020 23:40:56 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries. We used to have those.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2020 23:42:57 GMT
Statista have now updated the monthly mortality data for England and Wales to include October. There were 56 more deaths this month than during last October. Between June and October of this year there were 209,387 deaths. The same period last year saw 206,006 deaths. How do the ONS come up with 70,000 excess deaths?
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Post by musik on Nov 28, 2020 0:03:24 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries. We used to have those. They are my second home. This week I returned Stina Jackson's debut novel "The Silver way". Voted Best Swedish Crime Novel in 2018. Understandable, exciting book, 4/out of (5). A pity there weren't even one(!) normal person in that book. I also returned a book in business adm. I already knew 95% of the content. Ok, though. I borrowed Camilla Läckberg's "The Ice Princess". Her debut. Just started reading it. I also borrowed the story of the Zodiak Killer, told by his eventual son. Thick brick, I'll have to wait some weeks before making a judgement. Timmypotter in this thread suggested the dystopy "We" by russian writer Zamjatin. So that one completes the borrowed trio. 📚 Edith: many people were wearing a visor there, and some had face masks, some wore a combination. And they had their usual plexiglass at the desk and NO chairs anywhere to sit and read. On tv, the swedish athletes and the reporters are wearing face masks now. New this week! It seems they have changed their behaviour now the last week here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 28, 2020 0:08:34 GMT
Statista have now updated the monthly mortality data for England and Wales to include October. There were 56 more deaths this month than during last October. Between June and October of this year there were 209,387 deaths. The same period last year saw 206,006 deaths. You can see them: So how are the two pictures so different? Ahhhh you’re being really weirdly selective and ignoring the wider picture. Ok, genuinely missed that.
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Post by musik on Nov 28, 2020 0:20:34 GMT
Latest Sweden
The politicians, FHM and other authorities, the health care sector and the national vaccine co-ordinators are extremely worried about robbery and/or terror attacks to the coming transports of the incoming vaccines in December.
They have no idea how the police could cope with that eventual scenario.
Same story in every country?
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Post by tosh on Nov 28, 2020 0:28:52 GMT
Statista have now updated the monthly mortality data for England and Wales to include October. There were 56 more deaths this month than during last October. Between June and October of this year there were 209,387 deaths. The same period last year saw 206,006 deaths. You can see them: So how are the two pictures so different? Ahhhh you’re being really weirdly selective and ignoring the wider picture. Ok, genuinely missed that. Or maybe he’s just showing you some evidence that whilst there was a big problem, which is mainly responsible for the 19% figure, in April and May time, now there’s a much smaller problem, which may not justify continuing these draconian lockdown measures, which kill unknown numbers of sufferers of non COVID illnesses, whilst ruining the livelihoods and businesses of countless people and bankrupting our economy, not to mention the long term damage done to our young people’s prospects, and to the quality of life of us all. We have still never seen a cost benefit analysis, and it has never been properly debated.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 28, 2020 0:35:27 GMT
You can see them: So how are the two pictures so different? Ahhhh you’re being really weirdly selective and ignoring the wider picture. Ok, genuinely missed that. Or maybe he’s just showing you some evidence that whilst there was a big problem in April and May time now there’s a much smaller problem, which may not justify continuing these draconian lockdown measures, which kill unknown numbers of sufferers of non COVID illnesses, whilst ruining the livelihoods and businesses of countless people and bankrupting our economy, not to mention the long term damage done to our young people’s prospects, and to the quality of life of us all. We have still never seen a cost benefit analysis. The last week reported was 19% above the average for excess deaths. I don’t think there should be a lockdown but then there is also so really odd arguments being had. Like when the Health dept said you need ventilation and people on here lost their shit😂 It’s good advice that will save lives. We are in the middle of a pandemic that is still taking people’s lives. Our economy isn’t being bankrupted either don’t fall for that shit. Who do we owe most of the debt to? Ourselves.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 28, 2020 1:53:11 GMT
Fucking ridiculous. The sooner this overblown hysteria is exposed the better. I think "overblown hysteria" is an excellent way to describe what is already being dubbed "the most hysterical overreaction to a crisis in history". As I've said before, future comedians are going to have an absolute field day on us and rightly so. Snowflake generation at its finest.
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Post by duckling on Nov 28, 2020 3:01:10 GMT
As I understand it, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has been shown to be 90% effective in people <55 and only 60% effective in people 55+, whereas the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been more effective in older people compared to Oxford/AZ. Oxford/AZ is now testing a different dosing regimen in older people to try to raise the effectiveness rate among older people before applying for approval.
Is this correct? If so, have they considered giving young people the Oxford/AZ vaccine and older people the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine? If Oxford/AZ can get approved now for young people, it can drive down the spread in the community as young people are much more likely to unknowingly spread the virus. I don't see why they have to conduct additional studies on older people before applying for approval for any age group.
What am I missing?
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Post by hotterpotter on Nov 28, 2020 5:43:47 GMT
They are my second home. This week I returned Stina Jackson's debut novel "The Silver way". Voted Best Swedish Crime Novel in 2018. Understandable, exciting book, 4/out of (5). A pity there weren't even one(!) normal person in that book. I also returned a book in business adm. I already knew 95% of the content. Ok, though. I borrowed Camilla Läckberg's "The Ice Princess". Her debut. Just started reading it. I also borrowed the story of the Zodiak Killer, told by his eventual son. Thick brick, I'll have to wait some weeks before making a judgement. Timmypotter in this thread suggested the dystopy "We" by russian writer Zamjatin. So that one completes the borrowed trio. 📚 Edith: many people were wearing a visor there, and some had face masks, some wore a combination. And they had their usual plexiglass at the desk and NO chairs anywhere and read. On tv, the swedish athletes and the reporters are wearing face masks now. New this week! It seems they have changed their behaviour now the last week here. I do like the idea of "Musik's Incredible Coronavirus Book Club sub-thread"! 😁 "A pity there weren't even one(!) normal person in that book." - sounds like an epic involving the entire cast of the Houses of Parliament...
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 28, 2020 7:12:23 GMT
Indeed you can. Dave's probably too busy playing monopoly in a care home to reply. Haha Another rule that I thought would be obvious. Woooo lets all touch a board game. Tbh it shouldn’t need to be a rule in the current climate. But why couldn't the advice have been that one person moves all the pieces. Maybe everyone could get a virtual dice app on their phone. The advice doesn't need to be that you shouldn't play board games. I did my first school pick up for a few months yesterday afternoon. There are less than 40 kids at my lads' primary school. There are 2 classes who come out of school 5 minutes apart from each other. When siblings are accounted for there are no more than 25 adults doing the pick up. Everyone must now wear a mask and spread around the windy playground on allocated dotted waiting spaces. No one talks, as with the masks and the distance it's not very easy to communicate. It looks like a scene from a dystopian film, everyone scurrying to get back home quickly. It really feels like we've lost our minds. 4 kids that I know of haven't returned since March as their parents are too concerned about the vanishingly small risk of the virus to their health. At what point will the local authorities be able to take action to ensure those kids are getting a decent education (if ever). From now on will it be acceptable to withdraw your kids from education if there's a flu outbreak? The ripples of the things we're doing will be felt for a generation.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 28, 2020 8:04:30 GMT
Now MPs are being told the nhs will be overwhelmed if they don’t back the new tiers Even I have come to the conclusion that the level of control has got to much
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 8:15:20 GMT
Indeed you can. Dave's probably too busy playing monopoly in a care home to reply. Haha Another rule that I thought would be obvious. Woooo lets all touch a board game. Tbh it shouldn’t need to be a rule in the current climate. Of course it isn't a rule. Its absolute bollocks is what it is 😂 It'll be a normal Xmas in my house. I won't be listening to those fucking idiots.
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Post by musik on Nov 28, 2020 8:36:18 GMT
As I understand it, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has been shown to be 90% effective in people <55 and only 60% effective in people 55+, whereas the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been more effective in older people compared to Oxford/AZ. Oxford/AZ is now testing a different dosing regimen in older people to try to raise the effectiveness rate among older people before applying for approval. Is this correct? If so, have they considered giving young people the Oxford/AZ vaccine and older people the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine? If Oxford/AZ can get approved now for young people, it can drive down the spread in the community as young people are much more likely to unknowingly spread the virus. I don't see why they have to conduct additional studies on older people before applying for approval for any age group. What am I missing? Thanks! It was something in an article about AstraZeneca, that they weren't sure how the other companies measured things - and the difference in doing so, would explain the various results. Maybe they have no intention of giving it to younger people before they give it to the rest of the population?
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 28, 2020 8:51:03 GMT
Now MPs are being told the nhs will be overwhelmed if they don’t back the new tiers Even I have come to the conclusion that the level of control has got to much I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it really does make you wonder if this is being used for an ulterior motive.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 28, 2020 8:57:29 GMT
Or yer know, the NHS have been massively underfunded for years, don’t have the sort of capacity they should, have been wrecked by cuts, BrEXiT has already had a swipe at the staffing etc etc etc.
Sometimes the truth isn’t very palletable even when it’s pretty obvious.
And yes it happens every year.
That doesn’t make it ok.
It makes it worse.
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Post by Davef on Nov 28, 2020 9:25:56 GMT
Statista have now updated the monthly mortality data for England and Wales to include October. There were 56 more deaths this month than during last October. Between June and October of this year there were 209,387 deaths. The same period last year saw 206,006 deaths. You can see them: So how are the two pictures so different? Ahhhh you’re being really weirdly selective and ignoring the wider picture. Ok, genuinely missed that. Is that 17% including figures from the spring? The pandemic was quite clearly in the spring and the figures prove it. 88,000 deaths in April is double the previous year and horrifically nearly 50,000 more than April 2017. March and May saw around 12,000 more deaths than the previous year and are obviously way more than the five year average. Since the summer, the death figures aren't much different than we've seen in previous years and suggest that we're getting back on track, though deaths may be above average in the coming months and years because of the effects lockdown will have on the treatment of cancer/heart disease/diabetes etc.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 28, 2020 9:48:32 GMT
Now MPs are being told the nhs will be overwhelmed if they don’t back the new tiers Even I have come to the conclusion that the level of control has got to much I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it really does make you wonder if this is being used for an ulterior motive. You're no conspiracy theorist but you think there is a conspiracy? Maybe you haven't looked hard enough - there are loads out there. One option is to read a work of fiction and project it on the real world. George Orwell, Michael Crichton and Dan Brown are good starting points. Or make one up yourself - it's become something of a pandemic pastime. The human brain is hardwired to create patterns from sensory data - when you look at clouds you end up seeing animals, when you look at real world events you see hidden narratives. Neither are real - just illusions created by your brain to make sense of a largely haphazard universe. The other option is to adopt Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is usually correct. Try this: We have a shambolic government with a penchant for giving contracts and jobs to their wives and friends making a balls up of a global pandemic. Boring I know and I must admit it would probably have more general appeal if it involved space lizards. You can chase the white rabbit and get increasingly deranged and hysterical or you can stick to the cock up theory of history and stay sane while all around you try to feed the sky animals. Your choice.
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Post by chad on Nov 28, 2020 9:52:03 GMT
Now MPs are being told the nhs will be overwhelmed if they don’t back the new tiers Even I have come to the conclusion that the level of control has got to much The Royal Stoke as just declared a major incident due to the number of COVID cases. It’s obvious infections are coming down but the hospitals are just starting to get hit by the very high infection rates from the past few weeks
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 28, 2020 10:04:49 GMT
Town halls are harvesting millions of highly personal details about residents using Covid software, the Daily Mail can reveal today.
A private firm has signed lucrative deals with local authorities to garner the data which can be used to predict who is likely to break lockdown.
The information is culled from council records and includes family debt levels, living arrangements, income, school absences and exclusions. It is fed into a profiling system called Covid OneView to create a risk analysis for households and individuals who are believed to be vulnerable.
Town halls say the aim is to help identify those most at risk from coronavirus. But a council presented slides at a video conference last month showing the information could be used to predict who might break isolation rules.
Our investigation found that the information Covid OneView can gather included notes on:
Unfaithful and unsafe sex, emotional health and wellbeing, sleep issues and dangerous pets Anger management issues and socially unacceptable behaviour Financial details, including debt, low income and tax arrears School attendance, low school commitment and free school meals
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Post by Davef on Nov 28, 2020 10:08:00 GMT
Now MPs are being told the nhs will be overwhelmed if they don’t back the new tiers Even I have come to the conclusion that the level of control has got to much It's jolly nice of Michael Gove to be so concerned about the pressures the NHS is facing this winter. Just like he was in 2018, 2015 and all the other winters the health service was pushed to the limits over the past decade under his party's rule.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 10:13:18 GMT
Staffs numbers now 220 per 100,000. It was 400+ a week or so ago.
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