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Post by Northy on Nov 27, 2020 17:27:02 GMT
The other day we had a discussion about the merits of using the MSM over Twitter for sourcing information. Well yesterday I watched Matt Hancock stand up in the HOC and suggest that mass testing had been responsible for bringing down cases in Liverpool. Now this is patently not true, however it was amazing how quickly this narrative was adopted by the MSM. Watching Politics Live yesterday and Jo Coburn (the presenter), plus every single one of her panelists, Barry Gardiner (Labour), Siobhan Baillie (Conservative), Helen Pidd (The Guardian) and Nick Ferrari (LBC) at some point during the show (without even referencing Hancock) referred to this as being 100% fact. They weren't deliberately lying, they had just accepted that it was true and were discussing whether the financial cost of mass testing would be worth it in other areas, if it ultimately meant you would drop down a tier if you did it. It was a nonsense discussion. I turned on Channel 4 News in the evening and Jon Snow was at it as well. Did he say how much mass testing had brought it down, because the graph you show clearly shows it rising again before mass testing starts, not by much at all but it looks to be rising, so it may have brought it down 1% or something making his statement partly correct, even if it wasn't intended to be
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 17:40:32 GMT
Just seen this ... Hartley-Brewer exposes the claim for what it is and Jenrick ends up tying himself up in knots. No Minister will want to go on that show. He was eviscerated! Just a pity she didn’t let speak a bit more and he would have tripped up even more I would also have like her to ask him why he didn’t challenge the scientific advice when he used that as an excuse What's frustrating is that journalists like her aren't asking those questions during the televised covid briefings, are the questions vetted?? Last night's questions, considering the scale of the new lockdowns announced, were really piss poor and none of them questioned the data produced.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2020 17:47:03 GMT
The other day we had a discussion about the merits of using the MSM over Twitter for sourcing information. Well yesterday I watched Matt Hancock stand up in the HOC and suggest that mass testing had been responsible for bringing down cases in Liverpool. Now this is patently not true, however it was amazing how quickly this narrative was adopted by the MSM. Watching Politics Live yesterday and Jo Coburn (the presenter), plus every single one of her panelists, Barry Gardiner (Labour), Siobhan Baillie (Conservative), Helen Pidd (The Guardian) and Nick Ferrari (LBC) at some point during the show (without even referencing Hancock) referred to this as being 100% fact. They weren't deliberately lying, they had just accepted that it was true and were discussing whether the financial cost of mass testing would be worth it in other areas, if it ultimately meant you would drop down a tier if you did it. It was a nonsense discussion. I turned on Channel 4 News in the evening and Jon Snow was at it as well. Did he say how much mass testing had brought it down, because the graph you show clearly shows it rising again before mass testing starts, not by much at all but it looks to be rising, so it may have brought it down 1% or something making his statement partly correct, even if it wasn't intended to be If you're going to use a graph as a basis for your argument then it's always a good idea to check it confirms your point. That graph clearly shows cases were not falling just before mass testing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2020 17:57:24 GMT
The other day we had a discussion about the merits of using the MSM over Twitter for sourcing information. Well yesterday I watched Matt Hancock stand up in the HOC and suggest that mass testing had been responsible for bringing down cases in Liverpool. Now this is patently not true, however it was amazing how quickly this narrative was adopted by the MSM. Watching Politics Live yesterday and Jo Coburn (the presenter), plus every single one of her panelists, Barry Gardiner (Labour), Siobhan Baillie (Conservative), Helen Pidd (The Guardian) and Nick Ferrari (LBC) at some point during the show (without even referencing Hancock) referred to this as being 100% fact. They weren't deliberately lying, they had just accepted that it was true and were discussing whether the financial cost of mass testing would be worth it in other areas, if it ultimately meant you would drop down a tier if you did it. It was a nonsense discussion. I turned on Channel 4 News in the evening and Jon Snow was at it as well. Did he say how much mass testing had brought it down, because the graph you show clearly shows it rising again before mass testing starts, not by much at all but it looks to be rising, so it may have brought it down 1% or something making his statement partly correct, even if it wasn't intended to be I think that may have something to do with the 7 day rolling average. If you look at this graph below, which shows the figures for each day, then you can see there was a steady decline over several weeks and that the 4th (where the 7 day average up-ticks slightly) is actually the LOWEST it has been up to that point. Ergo had the mass testing not started on the 6th, producing unusually higher figures on the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th, then the 7 day average would have continued to fall at the same trajectory. I'm no mathematician and I'd welcome somebody to correct me but I can't think of any other reason why there would have been a slight jump on that day otherwise.
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Post by franklin on Nov 27, 2020 17:58:00 GMT
Just seen this ... Hartley-Brewer exposes the claim for what it is and Jenrick ends up tying himself up in knots. Does Jenrick have any self respect? Why would you put yourself in this position when you know damn well that you're going to have to lie your way through the day? He's being sacrificed i bet he's on a promise after.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2020 18:01:58 GMT
Did he say how much mass testing had brought it down, because the graph you show clearly shows it rising again before mass testing starts, not by much at all but it looks to be rising, so it may have brought it down 1% or something making his statement partly correct, even if it wasn't intended to be If you're going to use a graph as a basis for your argument then it's always a good idea to check it confirms your point. That graph clearly shows cases were not falling just before mass testing. See my answer to Northy above. And mass testing was clearly NOT responsible for bringing the cases down in Liverpool, Steve Baker has virtually accused Hancock of lying to the House.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 27, 2020 18:08:17 GMT
Has it ever occurred to you (or Starkiller) that it wasn't Covid that started all this but Brexit? Brexit was never about turning us into a libertarian utopia, but rather an authoritarian oligarchy. Covid has just handily helped to speed things up. But you voted for Brexit - so I guess you're fine with it. I remember David Cameron 3 elections ago telling us it would be 'chaos', if we elected Ed Milliband, well I would have taken Ed's 'chaos' any day compared to whole Brexit pantomime and what has been served up instead. It seems we're on some self destructive trajectory whereby every subsequent prime minister has to be even more useless than the last. As we're already at the stage where the current incumbent can't even manage to comb his hair or tuck his shirt in then it can only be another couple of iterations before we have the parliamentary equivalent of Father Jack visibly pissing his trousers at PMQ's and we're coming over all misty eyed reminiscing about the statesman like stature of Gordon Brown.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 27, 2020 18:13:35 GMT
Has it ever occurred to you (or Starkiller) that it wasn't Covid that started all this but Brexit? Brexit was never about turning us into a libertarian utopia, but rather an authoritarian oligarchy. Covid has just handily helped to speed things up. But you voted for Brexit - so I guess you're fine with it. The only show of authoritarian oligarchy was the remainers who spent months spreading fear and lies before the vote And then spending three years not accepting it and trying everything they could to not to follow the wishes of the British public Evening Waggy. Just testing your Brexit Monitor. Sorry if the alarm went off and disturbed your afternoon nap😁
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 27, 2020 18:13:46 GMT
Has it ever occurred to you (or Starkiller) that it wasn't Covid that started all this but Brexit? Brexit was never about turning us into a libertarian utopia, but rather an authoritarian oligarchy. Covid has just handily helped to speed things up. But you voted for Brexit - so I guess you're fine with it. 😂😂😂 Deflection tactics at its very finest.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 27, 2020 18:16:50 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Nov 27, 2020 18:22:07 GMT
What about those mixing the real world with a zombie apocalypse nightmare, for something no more serious than the flu? And in many cases actually is the flu. It's the overreaction to this that is directly and seriously affecting people right now, not your pet hate of people trying to work out what's going on. Psychologically funnelled towards an unnecessary vaccine and 'freedom' pass. In their own documents it says they wish to increase the sense of threat (fear) in the public. Are people allowed to do what they want, or not? Are they being controlled or not? It's already being seen that state has overreached its involvement in people's lives. And let's be clear, once people accept an Orwellian named 'freedom' pass for their own freedom, and to simply do usual stuff, it's absolutely no longer freedom. It's a control pass. In fact, it's almost an admission from government, and acceptance from people, that we are 'imprisoned' in some way. And totally unnecessarily. And it's not a stretch to see the ramifications of such control, based on the evidence we've seen this year. So it's not insanity to be concerned about where this is potentially headed. And, that aside, the very real and actual ways people have had their lives totally screwed over is evident everywhere, it requires no internet to see this. Didn't you used to rant about a paedophilia ring in Parliament and high places etc. and it turned out everybody was believing 1 guy who was lying, and people like Leon Brittan died before his name was cleared ? It wasn't just one guy. They chose that fool to close the whole thing down. Of course you can say the whole thing is nonsense, but I'll raise Cyril Smith, Ted Heath etc. And Jersey. Looks like we'll never know.
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2020 18:33:53 GMT
That Brown Shirt will get short shrift if he comes anywhere near me.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 27, 2020 19:24:47 GMT
The only show of authoritarian oligarchy was the remainers who spent months spreading fear and lies before the vote And then spending three years not accepting it and trying everything they could to not to follow the wishes of the British public Evening Waggy. Just testing your Brexit Monitor. Sorry if the alarm went off and disturbed your afternoon nap😁 So you should be sorry I get more grumpy than normal when my nap gets disturbed
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Post by andystokey on Nov 27, 2020 19:52:26 GMT
That Brown Shirt will get short shrift if he comes anywhere near me. Click the link to the enforcement if you want to get really grumpy. "...trading standards team spoke to the trader on Monday and they are now closed. This is an example of how residents sharing information with us helps us stop these rule breakers.
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Post by musik on Nov 27, 2020 20:07:16 GMT
Latest Sweden
No travel restrictions during Christmas or New Year, only recommendations - even though they actually call it "restrictions" ...
Tengele says it's just as bad now at the end of November as it was during the peak in March, when it comes to the number of Corona infected people.
73% of the death cases during the 1st wave were old people at home or old people at care homes. They promised that won't happen again, during an eventual 2nd wave, but it has happened again. Same levels.
Tenegell is critical about the OECD report, even though it says a lot. Noone else is critical. Some minor adjustments will be made though concerning the death levels in four countries. OECD puts Sweden last in many categories.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2020 20:11:33 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 27, 2020 20:20:07 GMT
That Brown Shirt will get short shrift if he comes anywhere near me. By the looks of him he will struggle to get near anyone
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 27, 2020 20:32:48 GMT
Which has been proposed as one reason that East Asian countries might have generally done better.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 27, 2020 20:42:01 GMT
Which has been proposed as one reason that East Asian countries might have generally done better. Yes Tim, it would seem entirely logical.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 27, 2020 20:47:27 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2020 20:52:20 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 27, 2020 20:59:58 GMT
So just leave a chip on the plate and save it for a couple of hours, job done
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 21:00:25 GMT
If it wasn't so serious it would be comical, it's like a Monty Python and 'Allo 'Allo sketch rolled into one and we laughed at the absurdity of those sketches.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2020 21:05:04 GMT
So just leave a chip on the plate and save it for a couple of hours, job done Or be very indecisive when looking at the menu and keep asking for more time why you decide.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 27, 2020 21:20:28 GMT
Fucking ridiculous. The sooner this overblown hysteria is exposed the better.
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2020 21:37:43 GMT
Fucking ridiculous. The sooner this overblown hysteria is exposed the better. Some would argue that it has been.
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 27, 2020 21:53:58 GMT
I bet he failed his traffic warden course.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 27, 2020 22:05:21 GMT
I see I have to avoid board games now as well. Has anyone seen any advice on wiping your arse after the Christmas dinner dump, I might have missed it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Nov 27, 2020 22:16:55 GMT
I see I have to avoid board games now as well. Has anyone seen any advice on wiping your arse after the Christmas dinner dump, I might have missed it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473Pathetic isn't it! So basically sit two meters apart wear a mask, sanitise your hands 10 times, don't hug your relatives, don't sing,talk all just sit there in silence, Merry f**King Christmas!
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Post by musik on Nov 27, 2020 22:17:36 GMT
In Sweden the Prime Minister has demanded us to avoid libraries.
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