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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 26, 2020 20:09:31 GMT
Pfff fair point mate. But I think they will because I genuinely think Farage can do a Nick Clegg and take 40/50 seats at the next election. I can say with confidence Farage's new party will massively fuck things up in a good way (good in my opinion because I think he's great). They are getting millions ploughed into it by the day and have some of the best sales brains in the world behind the running of the campaigns. I know it all sounds farfetched but people told me that in 2010/11/12/13/14 about brexit and in 2012 when Trump was announced as opposition that they would never win. They didn't just beat the government... They beat the entire establishment combined with almost the entirity of the mainstream media against them. BBC won't even recognise Farage's new party. Its gonna be fun watching him eat those fuckers alive. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on a Labour/Reform UK coalition in 2024. I know that sounds utterly ridiculous given the right/left contrast but I think it will happen. We'll be in the biggest crash in history and the North will be utterly on its knees. Watch it happen 😉 Btw, for the record, I think Labour are a pile of shit too. There's more chance if Keir Starmer hooking up with Nigel Farage on Grindr than in a coalition government. Correct farage has standards
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Post by henry on Nov 26, 2020 20:12:16 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 26, 2020 20:16:10 GMT
Yep like I posted earlier the media daily hand wringing over hospitals about to be overrun just before lockdown seems to have mainly died down since, coincidence I suppose...
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 26, 2020 20:21:15 GMT
I’d like to know why London and Liverpool are in Tier 2. So the science says their numbers are down but why is that? Everybody knows London is THE place more than anywhere people are in close contact. I went to Liverpool for the day when restrictions were a bit more lax and it was heaving, a real eye opener compared to Stoke. My opinion is that both of these places have developed an immunity to the virus and are on the downward slope..... Your opinion would be correct. Staffordshire will follow suit
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 26, 2020 20:33:57 GMT
I’d like to know why London and Liverpool are in Tier 2. So the science says their numbers are down but why is that? Everybody knows London is THE place more than anywhere people are in close contact. I went to Liverpool for the day when restrictions were a bit more lax and it was heaving, a real eye opener compared to Stoke. My opinion is that both of these places have developed an immunity to the virus and are on the downward slope..... Your opinion would be correct. Staffordshire will follow suit Cases are going down but I'll remind you of this when they start to spiral out of control again in January / February totally disproving the immunity theory.
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Post by Davef on Nov 26, 2020 20:38:55 GMT
Your opinion would be correct. Staffordshire will follow suit Cases are going down but I'll remind you of this when they start to spiral out of control again in January / February totally disproving the immunity theory. PCR testing can't disprove immunity.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 26, 2020 20:48:32 GMT
Cases are going down but I'll remind you of this when they start to spiral out of control again in January / February totally disproving the immunity theory. PCR testing can't disprove immunity. Nothing in your mind can disprove immunity that's for sure. But it's based on a hunch. The PCR test if it is as unreliable and inflates cases as you say will still be giving the same unreliable results in January / February. The test stays the same so we can draw the same data comparisons.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2020 20:51:59 GMT
Agree the decision making has been awful, that was the feeling at early stages now we know with hindsight that there was truly awful decisions so the government now have this hindsight, are they making more sensible choices about what to do going forward. Not defending the buggers in charge am just trying think of the critical things that they got wrong early and considering now To be honest mate I backed the first lockdown. The continued lockdown after June was the nuclear bomb that's fucked the nation up for decades, not the first lockdown. We could have bounced back from that. We are wayyyy too far gone now. By June next year we'll be in the biggest crash since the Romans invaded the Celts. We've seen nothing yet. This government may as well walk now because they won't be winning an election in a long time. Or Or as stock markets suggest there will be a roaring recovery Easter onwards
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 26, 2020 21:03:22 GMT
To be honest mate I backed the first lockdown. The continued lockdown after June was the nuclear bomb that's fucked the nation up for decades, not the first lockdown. We could have bounced back from that. We are wayyyy too far gone now. By June next year we'll be in the biggest crash since the Romans invaded the Celts. We've seen nothing yet. This government may as well walk now because they won't be winning an election in a long time. Or Or as stock markets suggest there will be a roaring recovery Easter onwards Indeed, there's going to be the biggest boom we've seen once all this fucks off. A great time for anyone to invest in a new business.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 26, 2020 21:11:02 GMT
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Post by Gods on Nov 26, 2020 21:30:27 GMT
'The Flu that killed 50 million' on BBC2 now is worth a watch. We've had the 1928 Whitty doom and gloom merchant character and a Yeadon/Hoenaghan/Ivor Cummins style left field smooth talking self publicist bloke telling us it's all a casedemic just before it bites back with a brutal all embracing 2nd wave! Still waiting for the Starkiller equivalent to tell us it's all an evil plot and the coughing, wheezing, blood spewing people are actors from government central casting but I know it's coming
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 26, 2020 21:34:32 GMT
'The Flu that killed 50 million' on BBC2 now is worth a watch. We've had the 1928 Whitty character and a Yeadon/Hoenaghan style bloke telling us it's all casedemic just before it bites back with a brutal 2nd wave! Still waiting for the Starkiller equivalent to tell us it's all an evil plot but I'm sure it's coming Was there a character in it that wrote a shitty re-hashed book about diets that ended up in the bargain bins for 99p?
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Post by brumstokie on Nov 26, 2020 21:36:29 GMT
'The Flu that killed 50 million' on BBC2 now is worth a watch. We've had the 1928 Whitty character and a Yeadon/Hoenaghan style bloke telling us it's all casedemic just before it bites back with a brutal 2nd wave! Still waiting for the Starkiller equivalent to tell us it's all an evil plot but I'm sure it's coming Was there a character on it that wrote a shitty re-hashed book about diets that ended up in the bargain bins for 99p? The corned beef hash diet?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2020 21:38:49 GMT
Government backtracking already, the tier reviews are now going to be weekly instead of fortnightly. Johnson “ every 14 days starting on the 16th Dec” Just trying to please they have failed miserably instead of going hard and early they are now trying to continue the impact of lockdown in another name , but they don’t have the spine to do it because it would be an admission of too little too late again. . There was an excellent article on Johnson last week saying those who know him feel he doesn’t understand the difference between his need to be popular and true leadership as a result at every turn he falls between the two , Xmas is a classic example a strong message would be it’s online at home family household only so we can enjoy the spring , but he’d already made stupid comments about false dawns at Xmas back in the spring m as it is we’ve just mortgaged January and February as a minimum for. Few days piss up .lest we forget this a virus which loves March too
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 26, 2020 21:39:36 GMT
Was there a character on it that wrote a shitty re-hashed book about diets that ended up in the bargain bins for 99p? The corned beef hash diet? Yeah that's the one, the food was amazing but you always knew you'd end up with terrible heartburn afterwards.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 26, 2020 21:52:05 GMT
To be honest mate I backed the first lockdown. The continued lockdown after June was the nuclear bomb that's fucked the nation up for decades, not the first lockdown. We could have bounced back from that. We are wayyyy too far gone now. By June next year we'll be in the biggest crash since the Romans invaded the Celts. We've seen nothing yet. This government may as well walk now because they won't be winning an election in a long time. Or Or as stock markets suggest there will be a roaring recovery Easter onwards Yes.. I've seen this. This catastrophe will take two or three years at least to get back to some degree of normality. Us plebs will be paying for this in income tax, VAT, NI and council tax for a couple of decades. Roaring recovery for speculative investors probably. Same as it ever was.
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 26, 2020 22:46:45 GMT
'The Flu that killed 50 million' on BBC2 now is worth a watch. We've had the 1928 Whitty character and a Yeadon/Hoenaghan style bloke telling us it's all casedemic just before it bites back with a brutal 2nd wave! Still waiting for the Starkiller equivalent to tell us it's all an evil plot but I'm sure it's coming Was there a character in it that wrote a shitty re-hashed book about diets that ended up in the bargain bins for 99p? You mean the same guy that's been right all along? Haven't read his diet books but he talks a lot of sense about pandemics. Shall we talk about you being ITK ? You were absolutely abysmal. In fact the Neil Ferguson of player predictions. Does that make your opinion on this subject less relevant? Of course not. Well afford him the same courtesy.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2020 22:58:06 GMT
Or as stock markets suggest there will be a roaring recovery Easter onwards Yes.. I've seen this. This catastrophe will take two or three years at least to get back to some degree of normality. Us plebs will be paying for this in income tax, VAT, NI and council tax for a couple of decades. Roaring recovery for speculative investors probably. Same as it ever was. It’s driven by. Few things not least vast state recovery funds but essentially they are betting on a “ roaring twenties “ consumer attitude to life after the virus and vaccination. Bringing that sooner rather than later
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 26, 2020 23:10:29 GMT
Pfff fair point mate. But I think they will because I genuinely think Farage can do a Nick Clegg and take 40/50 seats at the next election. I can say with confidence Farage's new party will massively fuck things up in a good way (good in my opinion because I think he's great). They are getting millions ploughed into it by the day and have some of the best sales brains in the world behind the running of the campaigns. I know it all sounds farfetched but people told me that in 2010/11/12/13/14 about brexit and in 2012 when Trump was announced as opposition that they would never win. They didn't just beat the government... They beat the entire establishment combined with almost the entirity of the mainstream media against them. BBC won't even recognise Farage's new party. Its gonna be fun watching him eat those fuckers alive. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on a Labour/Reform UK coalition in 2024. I know that sounds utterly ridiculous given the right/left contrast but I think it will happen. We'll be in the biggest crash in history and the North will be utterly on its knees. Watch it happen 😉 Btw, for the record, I think Labour are a pile of shit too. There's more chance if Keir Starmer hooking up with Nigel Farage on Grindr than in a coalition government. We've already seen he's willing to shaft his old pals for a little credibility. Let's not pretend Starmer isn't a desperate politician.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 26, 2020 23:11:10 GMT
Haha! All noted mate. Hopefully the Islington elite don't go too hard on us anti-wokesters 😉 I agree with a lot of that 100%. But I can assure you these are not normal times and the state of the country in a few years will make the 80s look like a bit of a laugh. Let's see. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we are both wrong. But it's nice to dream that a party can shake up a failing establishment. For what it's worth I think Farage will get a hell of a lot more support than any far left party that gets created. But I do think we should follow the nordics and get hard right and hard left back in the game. They'll never win elections but they'll hold parliament to account and that's what we need - as Covid has illustrated perfectly. Nordic countries have PR and that's the difference. Unlike you I cannot stand Farage and wouldn't trust him to mind my car on match day but I would lend him my vote - just the once - if his motley collection of 'Reformers' could get PR and the abolition of the unelected upper house bumped up the agenda. Oh absolutely, PR is the key.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 26, 2020 23:15:40 GMT
To be honest mate I backed the first lockdown. The continued lockdown after June was the nuclear bomb that's fucked the nation up for decades, not the first lockdown. We could have bounced back from that. We are wayyyy too far gone now. By June next year we'll be in the biggest crash since the Romans invaded the Celts. We've seen nothing yet. This government may as well walk now because they won't be winning an election in a long time. Unnamed Tory grandee quoted on Newsnight last night ... "We won an General Election by criticising Jeremy Corbyn for having his magic money tree, well we've only gone and found ourselves an entire magic money forest!" Yep. Frankly, anyone would think Corbyn was in Downing Street. And it's not just the magic money forest. It's his entire policy. He seems intent on creating this really pathetic anorak-like state that is basically ridden with government hand outs, fake news, weak ass police and woke policy. All while doing more u turns than a series of top gear.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2020 0:08:13 GMT
Was there a character in it that wrote a shitty re-hashed book about diets that ended up in the bargain bins for 99p? You mean the same guy that's been right all along? Haven't read his diet books but he talks a lot of sense about pandemics. Shall we talk about you being ITK ? You were absolutely abysmal. In fact the Neil Ferguson of player predictions. Does that make your opinion on this subject less relevant? Of course not. Well afford him the same courtesy. I'm just some bloke on a football forum here to pass time, I don't even have a Twitter account. The fat emperor (the name says it all) is a very naughty boy who peddles his theories in order to sell books, newspaper columns, blogs, you tube videos and basically anything he can in order to improve his marketability and by using a few left field scientists he tries to gain some credibility along the way. I guarantee he'll be writing his book on Covid as we speak in the hope when it's finished he has a ready made fan base he can sell a few hundred thousand copies to. If you can't see that then you're very naive.
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 27, 2020 7:51:15 GMT
You mean the same guy that's been right all along? Haven't read his diet books but he talks a lot of sense about pandemics. Shall we talk about you being ITK ? You were absolutely abysmal. In fact the Neil Ferguson of player predictions. Does that make your opinion on this subject less relevant? Of course not. Well afford him the same courtesy. I'm just some bloke on a football forum here to pass time, I don't even have a Twitter account. The fat emperor (the name says it all) is a very naughty boy who peddles his theories in order to sell books, newspaper columns, blogs, you tube videos and basically anything he can in order to improve his marketability and by using a few left field scientists he tries to gain some credibility along the way. I guarantee he'll be writing his book on Covid as we speak in the hope when it's finished he has a ready made fan base he can sell a few hundred thousand copies to. If you can't see that then you're very naive. I think I'm old enough and educated enough to make my own mind up. You should have been a politician you've just waffled around the actual point of what he's actually saying. Basically just embarking on a character assassination without actually challenging what hes actually saying. Unfortunately that's the era we're living in. An era where the Professor of Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford and a GP is called an outlier. With their track record the Government and scientists should be challenged even more.
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2020 8:13:09 GMT
End of the press conference yesterday asking the speakers what they will be doing on Xmas Day thinking will they be social mixing etc. Chris Whitty 'I'll be on the wards', follow that...
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2020 8:21:47 GMT
End of the press conference yesterday asking the speakers what they will be doing on Xmas Day thinking will they be social mixing etc. Chris Whitty 'I'll be on the wards', follow that... So spending the day in pretty much the same way as many other medical professionals who're currently critical of his approach.
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Post by Gods on Nov 27, 2020 8:24:22 GMT
End of the press conference yesterday asking the speakers what they will be doing on Xmas Day thinking will they be social mixing etc. Chris Whitty 'I'll be on the wards', follow that... So spending the day in pretty much the same way as many other medical professionals who're currently critical of his approach. Not pedalling his research org, not retired in his holiday home in France, not punting his corporate speaking on diet, seeing what's going on in the field.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 27, 2020 8:27:59 GMT
Absolutely horrific how people have allowed themselves to be played and subjugated to this extent by behaviourial psychologists. Rewards and punishments for behaviour. Tighten then release, as I predicted months ago. All whilst been told it's because they care for you. The work of a gaslighting abuser. Rules which are simply nothing more than trolling the public on a mass scale. Pushed towards an agenda of a jab of unknown and unnecessary substance every year to simply do something that may resemble normal stuff. Tracked, traced, banned, controlled, ordered and punished. Soon you'll forget what real living was, and what it means to be human. All for something with a 99.8 survival rate, using the state's own official fraudulent stats. Thanks to everyone who is still gripped by this official nonsense. I'm astounded it's got this far. Dark times. It’s hard to disagree with any of this. Whole industries have been decimate and for what?
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Post by westlandstokie on Nov 27, 2020 8:41:59 GMT
14 hours ago starkiller said: Absolutely horrific how people have allowed themselves to be played and subjugated to this extent by behaviourial psychologists.
Rewards and punishments for behaviour. Tighten then release, as I predicted months ago. All whilst been told it's because they care for you. The work of a gaslighting abuser.
Rules which are simply nothing more than trolling the public on a mass scale.
Pushed towards an agenda of a jab of unknown and unnecessary substance every year to simply do something that may resemble normal stuff. Tracked, traced, banned, controlled, ordered and punished.
Soon you'll forget what real living was, and what it means to be human.
All for something with a 99.8 survival rate, using the state's own official fraudulent stats.
Thanks to everyone who is still gripped by this official nonsense. I'm astounded it's got this far.
I'm with you on this mate...the Government seem like they won't be happy until they have totally destroyed small businesses and got us all under control I know Covid is real...I've had it and it's not pleasant...but I'm a reasonably healthy 57 year old non smoker and I got through it In my mind we have to protect the elderly and vulnerable and try to get on with life or there is going to be terrible years ahead for everyone...especially the youngsters
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 9:06:32 GMT
End of the press conference yesterday asking the speakers what they will be doing on Xmas Day thinking will they be social mixing etc. Chris Whitty 'I'll be on the wards', follow that... The press conference was rather surreal, the moment when the Great British public were patronised by Chris Whitty reminded me of young Mr Grace addressing his staff "You're all doing very well". Thank you professor, means the world to me that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2020 10:26:51 GMT
Absolutely horrific how people have allowed themselves to be played and subjugated to this extent by behaviourial psychologists. Rewards and punishments for behaviour. Tighten then release, as I predicted months ago. All whilst been told it's because they care for you. The work of a gaslighting abuser. Rules which are simply nothing more than trolling the public on a mass scale. Pushed towards an agenda of a jab of unknown and unnecessary substance every year to simply do something that may resemble normal stuff. Tracked, traced, banned, controlled, ordered and punished. Soon you'll forget what real living was, and what it means to be human. All for something with a 99.8 survival rate, using the state's own official fraudulent stats. Thanks to everyone who is still gripped by this official nonsense. I'm astounded it's got this far. Dark times. It’s hard to disagree with any of this. Whole industries have been decimate and for what? Not in some countries they haven't. Blame the government not Covid if that's your take on things.....
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