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Post by andystokey on Oct 27, 2020 23:24:10 GMT
I'm surprised that I haven't seen any correlation between cases and climate. Is it not entirely possible that the disease is moving quicker up here than down south because we are hitting autumn weather quicker?
The population density plus the specific UK climate might explain why we are getting done first. We are more likely to be indoors and I'm sure I read somewhere that this was a factor that the disease thrived in.
Having lived in the south a long time before heading home I can attest to a significant temperature difference in London and the southern coastal towns.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 27, 2020 23:32:05 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 27, 2020 23:43:35 GMT
It looks like we are in the minority on this thread crouchy. I find it incredible that folk still think these numbers are a day's deaths from covid19. It doesn't matter how times it's been shown that the data is manipulated in multiple ways, people still want the scary bedtime tale. With an awareness of the tricks, it's not possible to say how many actually died from what is known as 'Covid19'.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 28, 2020 0:03:07 GMT
Looking at the detailed map, Fenton has the highest number of cases in Staffordshire
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 28, 2020 0:03:56 GMT
NHS England announced 207 deaths today spread over 15 days. Later in the day 322 total English deaths were announced. So are we to assume that the extra 115 deaths were in care homes? And if we are to have a problem with care homes again, how does a national lockdown solve that particular problem? Bingo! Exactly what I've been banging on about for the last few days ... c o n t e x t.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 28, 2020 0:12:01 GMT
Good Heavens! I know the 7 day average will be much lower than this but this is exactly how wave 1 crept up on us. 500 next Tuesday... Factor in that wave 2 is barely out of 1st gear in most of the country then 1000 deaths a day is quite achievable again. This 3 Tier arrangement is not going to smoke it out is it? On over/under I'd go under 500 next Tuesday tbh. Growth rate is hard to pin down exactly though. Dr Annan's projections hit 500 round mid-November, although we might get a 500 day before that. At least this wave is creeping up compared with the surging back in March/April. Thank God.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2020 2:46:31 GMT
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Post by werrington on Oct 28, 2020 6:41:27 GMT
NHS England announced 207 deaths today spread over 15 days. Later in the day 322 total English deaths were announced. So are we to assume that the extra 115 deaths were in care homes? And if we are to have a problem with care homes again, how does a national lockdown solve that particular problem? Seriously mate, there’s absolutely no point in trying to get them on here to debate this or acknowledge it as Paul has tried on multiple occasions The hospital inpatient numbers and deaths is another they just refuse to grasp or even acknowledge Best just leave them to it
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 28, 2020 6:50:57 GMT
Slightly off topic, I have just had a message from the NHS Covid 19 app and it said "Possible Covid-19 exposure. Someone you were near reported having Covid-19. Exposure date, duration and signal strength have been saved" and now its disappeared! well I have been off work since Friday and only seen my other half in 5 days and she doesn't have the app installed so god knows how I have been in contact with someone contagious! Google tells me the app has issues well what a surprise!!
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Post by DrGonzo on Oct 28, 2020 7:20:26 GMT
Slightly off topic, I have just had a message from the NHS Covid 19 app and it said "Possible Covid-19 exposure. Someone you were near reported having Covid-19. Exposure date, duration and signal strength have been saved" and now its disappeared! well I have been off work since Friday and only seen my other half in 5 days and she doesn't have the app installed so god knows how I have been in contact with someone contagious! Google tells me the app has issues well what a surprise!! From what I understand this is the underlying OS code sending a message to the app to alert a possible exposure. It’s then up to the app to determine if that’s significant or not, based on the data (risk determined by proximity and length of time). Basically if it’s not shown specifically in the app itself ignore it.
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 8:15:27 GMT
A pretty useless exercise if they aren't going to question the validity and accuracy of the PCR testing. I notice Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for a third time. That tells you all you need to know.
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2020 8:30:11 GMT
Several papers reporting Downing Street is working on the assumption the second wave will have a lower but longer peak than wave 1 with a high death toll throughout the winter.
It seems highly plausible doesn't it?
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Post by henry on Oct 28, 2020 8:31:12 GMT
A pretty useless exercise if they aren't going to question the validity and accuracy of the PCR testing. I notice Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for a third time. That tells you all you need to know. CR7 + (CV19*3) = BS~ According to GMB Though, he’s inline for Parkinson’s in a few months.
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 28, 2020 8:46:23 GMT
2 of our friends and my wife's brother have tested positive for Covid 19 - all of them teachers (and none particularly ill). Obviously anecdotal, but it does give some weight to the likelihood of the disease being driven in the school environment and that other measures are unlikely to be effective till the disease runs through the school children.
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Post by chad on Oct 28, 2020 8:51:25 GMT
Slightly off topic, I have just had a message from the NHS Covid 19 app and it said "Possible Covid-19 exposure. Someone you were near reported having Covid-19. Exposure date, duration and signal strength have been saved" and now its disappeared! well I have been off work since Friday and only seen my other half in 5 days and she doesn't have the app installed so god knows how I have been in contact with someone contagious! Google tells me the app has issues well what a surprise!! I’ve had this twice. I think it means you’ve been close but not close enough or that you’ve been somewhere where someone positive as been but not at the same time It’s really a confusing message
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:12:57 GMT
Several papers reporting Downing Street is working on the assumption the second wave will have a lower but longer peak than wave 1 with a high death toll throughout the winter. It seems highly plausible doesn't it? What if the peak cases was last week?
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2020 9:16:37 GMT
Several papers reporting Downing Street is working on the assumption the second wave will have a lower but longer peak than wave 1 with a high death toll throughout the winter. It seems highly plausible doesn't it? What if the peak cases was last week? Yes but I think they are still rising in all of the at risk age groups + trouble is already locked in from the high numbers today + the virus still has to return in the South which is getting going but several weeks behind.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:18:45 GMT
What if the peak cases was last week? Yes but I think they are still rising in all of the at risk age groups + trouble is already locked in from the high numbers today + the virus still has to return in the South which is getting going but several weeks behind. We'll see! I hope I'm right And only one city but shows the mentalness of it all imo.
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2020 9:21:51 GMT
Yes but I think they are still rising in all of the at risk age groups + trouble is already locked in from the high numbers today + the virus still has to return in the South which is getting going but several weeks behind. We'll see! I hope I'm right And only one city but shows the mentalness of it all imo. Me too, hope you are right!
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 28, 2020 9:26:42 GMT
What if the peak cases was last week? Yes but I think they are still rising in all of the at risk age groups + trouble is already locked in from the high numbers today + the virus still has to return in the South which is getting going but several weeks behind. The numbers down south are still a big positive - they've risen a bit but nothing like exponential growth. Another big peak isn't a foregone conclusion in my opinion and is the only quick way out of this.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 28, 2020 9:28:13 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 9:29:27 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 28, 2020 9:31:58 GMT
Very rare I'd praise a Guardian article but it's true... So fucking true.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 28, 2020 9:53:51 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Oct 28, 2020 9:56:27 GMT
Very rare I'd praise a Guardian article but it's true... So fucking true. The cure seems worse than the cause! Boarded up businesses, mental health issues through the roof, mass unemployment and domestic incidents off the scale- I'd rather have caught the bloody thing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 28, 2020 9:57:18 GMT
Very rare I'd praise a Guardian article but it's true... So fucking true. The cure seems worse than the cause! Boarded up businesses, mental health issues through the roof, mass unemployment and domestic incidents off the scale- I'd rather have caught the bloody thing. Indeed mate. Incredibly worrying times.. And the virus itself is the least of the worries.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 28, 2020 10:22:18 GMT
That really provides a perfect vision of your alternative universe. God bless us all and Merry Xmas Mr Scrooge. It's not an alternative universe, it's the one we're living in. Merry Covidmas. If it's any consolation there are others living in and promoting your "real" world - see here. The problem is it isn't real - it's actually detached from reality. It's really sad to see people get sucked into this as the video points out and I sincerely hope you see sense and get out before you are too far gone - because there comes a point where there's no way back.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 28, 2020 12:09:42 GMT
It's not an alternative universe, it's the one we're living in. Merry Covidmas. If it's any consolation there are others living in and promoting your "real" world - see here. The problem is it isn't real - it's actually detached from reality. It's really sad to see people get sucked into this as the video points out and I sincerely hope you see sense and get out before you are too far gone - because there comes a point where there's no way back. I'm well aware of this crap hitpiece from the TV. If you believe this BBC caricature, with its music, from it's 'disinformation' team, you are the fool. A deliberate attempt to label, categorise, lump together and dismiss those who have serious questions, including many serious and eminent scientists. When are the BBC going to ask the hard questions? Instead of dancing around on the head of a pin? A few months ago , I mentioned engineered economic destruction and planned great reset and got laughed at. Now it's on the front of Time magazine, and the plans were announced in 2016. And they see a supposed deadly pandemic as an opportunity. Whichever way you look at it, that is sick. You previously asked me how a scam can be orchestrated, yet it's clearly been attempted before. Before, you said my views are dangerous. They are not imposed on you in any way. Whereas the BBC fear campaign, and others, and Covid obsession, has literally led people to die alone in their homes, in their thousands. So tell me where the danger is coming from? Certainly not from the likes of me who question this scandal. mol.im/a/8854715And what I summarised before are exactly the rules for entering an eating establishment. This craziness doesn't come from me. Police coming round your house on Christmas day. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/27/family-christmas-gatherings-breach-covid-rules-will-broken-police/The fact that they even have the right to do this over a virus with a 99.9 percent survival rate and 19th on the list of causes of death, should concern every clear thinking person.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 28, 2020 12:28:36 GMT
He looks very, very drunk.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 12:32:05 GMT
If it's any consolation there are others living in and promoting your "real" world - see here. The problem is it isn't real - it's actually detached from reality. It's really sad to see people get sucked into this as the video points out and I sincerely hope you see sense and get out before you are too far gone - because there comes a point where there's no way back. I'm well aware of this crap hitpiece from the TV. If you believe this BBC caricature, with its music, from it's 'disinformation' team, you are the fool. A deliberate attempt to label, categorise, lump together and dismiss those who have serious questions, including many serious and eminent scientists. When are the BBC going to ask the hard questions? Instead of dancing around on the head of a pin? A few months ago , I mentioned engineered economic destruction and planned great reset and got laughed at. Now it's on the front of Time magazine, and the plans were announced in 2016. And they see a supposed deadly pandemic as an opportunity. Whichever way you look at it, that is sick. You previously asked me how a scam can be orchestrated, yet it's clearly been attempted before. Before, you said my views are dangerous. They are not imposed on you in any way. Whereas the BBC fear campaign, and others, and Covid obsession, has literally led people to die alone in their homes, in their thousands. So tell me where the danger is coming from? Certainly not from the likes of me who question this scandal. mol.im/a/8854715And what I summarised before are exactly the rules for entering an eating establishment. This craziness doesn't come from me. People have previously asked you lots of questions, myself included. But you ignore most of them, which suggests you’re well versed in this rhetoric but not able or prepared to counter when posters pick holes in some of your quite frankly bizarre “communist conspiracy” arguments. And I still haven’t figured out I’d you think COVID is made up or not because you seem to change like the wind on that one.....
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