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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 27, 2020 17:58:25 GMT
I don’t think the government have covered themselves in glory and have not been ruthless enough because they’re scared of upsetting people. But one of the biggest issues is the inhability of people to do the basics. Is it that much of a sacrifice to - Wear a mask when you go shopping or when on public transport (unless you have a health condition) - Keep 2m apart when you can - Not go on protests - keep in your bubble Some People make out like they’re being asked to do far worse. If everybody had kept to the above we wouldn’t be where we are now but there’s always going to be that minority who won’t toe the line hence why everyone’s saying we may as well not bother because it isn’t working. It’s doing the small things that stop us having to pay the price long term. Is that also true in Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Germany or just the UK? For me I think the mentality in our country of some is different yes.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 27, 2020 18:02:17 GMT
I don’t think the government have covered themselves in glory and have not been ruthless enough because they’re scared of upsetting people. But one of the biggest issues is the inhability of people to do the basics. Is it that much of a sacrifice to - Wear a mask when you go shopping or when on public transport (unless you have a health condition) - Keep 2m apart when you can - Not go on protests - keep in your bubble Some People make out like they’re being asked to do far worse. If everybody had kept to the above we wouldn’t be where we are now but there’s always going to be that minority who won’t toe the line hence why everyone’s saying we may as well not bother because it isn’t working. It’s doing the small things that stop us having to pay the price long term. Bang on the money..... This situation will be with us for a longtime so the sooner people realise that its vital to follow the simple thigns the better. We have a press conference over here this evening and leaks to the press are suggesting that NL will be going into fuill lockdown. To re-iterate its NOT confirmed so we'll just have to wait to see wht Marke Rutte says. And this is what cheeses me off when I see these idiots getting all uppity and confrontational when they won’t wear a mask making out like they’re special. I’m not a fan of them but I’ll put them on. It’s a small price to pay to keep others safe.
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Post by henry on Oct 27, 2020 18:06:33 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 27, 2020 18:07:15 GMT
You sarcastically said there was a lot of flu about and I was just thinking, in order to understand what the current figures actually mean and for them to have some context, wouldn't it be useful to know how many people were in hospital with respiratory illnesses this time last year and probably several years before also? Yes and if someone can provide those figures I’ll compare them.As for the sarcasm yes it probably was but for me it’s justified reading some of the shit on this thread of late(all about opinions) I think it vital to know Mutters, otherwise we're just stabbing around in the dark. When the virus first arrived, we were going into spring, so ordinarily hospitals wouldn't be full of patients with respiratory illnesses but now it's very different and it's normal for hospital beds to be filling up with people with respiratory issues but the key question for me, is, are the numbers for this type of patient any greater now than they'd ordinarily be? And if they're not, would a lot of the Covid cases now, have ended up in hospital anyway with a respiratory illness of some sort this winter? Also, ordinarily, approx 1,600 people die in the UK each day and it would be useful to know, if somebody dies of say a heart attack, or cancer or even if they've fallen off a roof, if they have tested positive for Covid, are they counted as a 'Covid death'? I'm just attempting to find some context for the current figures.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 18:09:31 GMT
Poor journalism then using the same picture but that does not surprise me
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 18:11:21 GMT
Yes and if someone can provide those figures I’ll compare them.As for the sarcasm yes it probably was but for me it’s justified reading some of the shit on this thread of late(all about opinions) I think it vital to know Mutters, otherwise we're just stabbing around in the dark. When the virus first arrived, we were going into spring, so ordinarily hospitals wouldn't be full of patients with respiratory illnesses but now it's very different and it's normal for hospital beds to be filling up with people with respiratory issues but the key question for me, is, are the numbers for this type of patient any greater now than they'd ordinarily be? And if they're not, would a lot of the Covid cases now, have ended up in hospital anyway with a respiratory illness of some sort this winter? Also, ordinarily, approx 1600 people a day die in the UK and it would be useful to know, if somebody dies of say a heart attack, or cancer or even if they've fallen off a roof, if they have tested positive for Covid, are they counted as a 'Covid death'? I'm just attempting to find some context for the figures. I have no problem with that whatsoever
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Post by werrington on Oct 27, 2020 18:17:08 GMT
I think it vital to know Mutters, otherwise we're just stabbing around in the dark. When the virus first arrived, we were going into spring, so ordinarily hospitals wouldn't be full of patients with respiratory illnesses but now it's very different and it's normal for hospital beds to be filling up with people with respiratory issues but the key question for me, is, are the numbers for this type of patient any greater now than they'd ordinarily be? And if they're not, would a lot of the Covid cases now, have ended up in hospital anyway with a respiratory illness of some sort this winter? Also, ordinarily, approx 1600 people a day die in the UK and it would be useful to know, if somebody dies of say a heart attack, or cancer or even if they've fallen off a roof, if they have tested positive for Covid, are they counted as a 'Covid death'? I'm just attempting to find some context for the figures. I have no problem with that whatsoever No offence mate but you seem to have a problem when people are trying to point this out ...as your post above availed too
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 27, 2020 18:21:54 GMT
Bang on the money..... This situation will be with us for a longtime so the sooner people realise that its vital to follow the simple thigns the better. We have a press conference over here this evening and leaks to the press are suggesting that NL will be going into fuill lockdown. To re-iterate its NOT confirmed so we'll just have to wait to see wht Marke Rutte says. And this is what cheeses me off when I see these idiots getting all uppity and confrontational when they won’t wear a mask making out like they’re special. I’m not a fan of them but I’ll put them on. It’s a small price to pay to keep others safe. We’ve got exactly the same sort of wankers over here..... they’re just looking for confrontation when the right thing to do is respect those around you and minimize the risk to yourself. The new trend over here is to physically abuse bus drivers, the community police and shop workers right now..... As I say they’re wankers..... As mentioned previously, Premier Rutte has now said there’s no changes to the guidelines currently in place in NL, BUT if the country doesn’t show more respect to the frontline workers and those mentioned above then there will be consequences. Update and another press conference next Tuesday
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 18:24:11 GMT
I have no problem with that whatsoever No offence mate but you seem to have a problem when people are trying to point this out ...as your post above availed too Maybe I should just stop reading the utter tripe regularly posted on this thread from the non believers,that’s my problem to be honest mate and no offence taken.
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Post by werrington on Oct 27, 2020 18:31:07 GMT
No offence mate but you seem to have a problem when people are trying to point this out ...as your post above availed too Maybe I should just stop reading the utter tripe regularly posted on this thread from the non believers,that’s my problem to be honest mate and no offence taken. Nobody is a non believer mate and nobody is denying there’s a virus out there ....I think you’ve missed every point they/me try to point out in regards many things regards it and they way hospital numbers and deaths are calculated I know because I work in them Anyway enjoy the match
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2020 18:32:44 GMT
No offence mate but you seem to have a problem when people are trying to point this out ...as your post above availed too Maybe I should just stop reading the utter tripe regularly posted on this thread from the non believers,that’s my problem to be honest mate and no offence taken. Biggest rise today since May. Or are ITV lying bastards
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Post by lordb on Oct 27, 2020 18:33:29 GMT
Maybe I should just stop reading the utter tripe regularly posted on this thread from the non believers,that’s my problem to be honest mate and no offence taken. Biggest rise today since May. Or are ITV lying bastards Not mutually exclusive
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 18:34:58 GMT
Maybe I should just stop reading the utter tripe regularly posted on this thread from the non believers,that’s my problem to be honest mate and no offence taken. Nobody is a non believer mate and nobody is denying there’s a virus out there ....I think you’ve missed every point they/me try to point out in regards many things regards it and they way hospital numbers and deaths are calculated I know because I work in them Anyway enjoy the match I’m not missing any point whatsoever and you too enjoy the game
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Post by andystokey on Oct 27, 2020 18:36:03 GMT
Is that also true in Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Germany or just the UK? For me I think the mentality in our country of some is different yes. The reason I ask is the original ICL model had a factor built in for compliance, as do most of the models. The outcomes dont rely on 100% compliance. All countries must have varying degrees of non compliance. You original point seems to suggest if there was 100% compliance it would all be ok. But given the data and mixed and variable interpretation on lockdown I wonder if there is a focus, particularly in the UK, on the inevitable non compliance rather than the majority of compliance. I think the policy isn't intended to deliver as perhaps some believe and blaming the minority rather than the chosen strategy seems to be a very UK mentality.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2020 18:36:31 GMT
Biggest rise today since May. Or are ITV lying bastards Not mutually exclusive I'm not even sure what and who to believe. I'm not even sure there is an end to this. There again. ... I'm not even sure what I'm having for tea tonight.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 27, 2020 18:46:50 GMT
It's just a photo, I think most people get the jist or do we want the media going into hospitals for a photo shoot to tie to each story? Ok it's a different hospital but does it matter. I just find these type of things very petty, i never even pay that much attention to photos, I don't even expect them to be anything other than related to a topic or subject.
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Post by henry on Oct 27, 2020 18:52:40 GMT
It's just a photo, I think most people get the jist or do we want the media going into hospitals for a photo shoot to tie to each story? Ok it's a different hospital but does it matter. I just find these type of things very petty, i never even pay that much attention to photos, I don't even expect them to be anything other than related to a topic or subject. Having a load of Dustin Hoffmans'es stood round a bed just instils fear. Just another reason why i question nearly everything i see and read nowadays.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 27, 2020 18:58:47 GMT
It's just a photo, I think most people get the jist or do we want the media going into hospitals for a photo shoot to tie to each story? Ok it's a different hospital but does it matter. I just find these type of things very petty, i never even pay that much attention to photos, I don't even expect them to be anything other than related to a topic or subject. Having a load of Dustin Hoffmans'es stood round a bed just instils fear. Just another reason why i question nearly everything i see and read nowadays. Showing a ward full of Covid patients on ventilators or people in body bags would instil fear, that is just a patient in bed with a few medical staff having a conversation next to them. It depends what you want to see doesn't it?
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Post by musik on Oct 27, 2020 18:59:32 GMT
Very strange thing happened during the night to today. I got a visit from an Express Courier Mailman at 03.15!!! I had watched an episode of A Touch of Frost (crime) on TV and ate some candy. Sweets always gets me wide awake so I wasn't even tired. He just visited me in the middle of the night, not any of the other 12 households. At first he tried the mailbox, but it got stuck badly, so a soft knock on the door. Why in this thread?? 🤨 IT WAS A QUESTIONAIRE ABOUT HOW I HAD BEEN TREATED DURING THE CORONA PANDEMIC WITHIN THE HEALTH CARE SECTOR, ESPECIALLY MY LAST VISIT TO A HEALTH CARE CLINIC. BIG NATIONAL STUDY. Tegnell is full of crap. He said it has continued smoothly. It isn't true. Corona cases, probably yes. But that's about it. Nothing else. Last week I lost a dear friend in cancer. I will find out more and return. Have you also got a kind of NATIONAL STUDY about Corona?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 19:17:08 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 27, 2020 19:28:36 GMT
It looks like we are in the minority on this thread crouchy.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 27, 2020 19:53:06 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 27, 2020 20:44:50 GMT
Sadly those 350 were baked in by a failure to act weeks ago and there are literally hundreds a day if not thousand plus a day still to come of inaction weeks ago
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 27, 2020 22:05:02 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 27, 2020 22:11:48 GMT
Good Heavens! I know the 7 day average will be much lower than this but this is exactly how wave 1 crept up on us. 500 next Tuesday... Factor in that wave 2 is barely out of 1st gear in most of the country then 1000 deaths a day is quite achievable again. This 3 Tier arrangement is not going to smoke it out is it?
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 27, 2020 22:14:42 GMT
Good Heavens. I know the 7 day average will be much lower than this but this is exactly how wave 1 crept up on us. 500 next Tuesday... Factor in that wave 2 has barely gout out of 1st gear in most of the country then 1000 death a day is quite achievable again. This 3 Tier arrangement is not going to smoke it out is it? They will speed up the rate in which we all enter tier 3, it's a lockdown by stealth.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 27, 2020 22:45:45 GMT
Worrying death figures there.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2020 22:47:11 GMT
Worrying death figures there. Very although on a Tuesday they can be a little higher because of the weekend backlog apparently
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Post by Davef on Oct 27, 2020 22:56:15 GMT
NHS England announced 207 deaths today spread over 15 days. Later in the day 322 total English deaths were announced.
So are we to assume that the extra 115 deaths were in care homes?
And if we are to have a problem with care homes again, how does a national lockdown solve that particular problem?
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Post by starkiller on Oct 27, 2020 23:04:08 GMT
It looks like we are in the minority on this thread crouchy. I find it incredible that folk still think these numbers are a day's deaths from covid19. It doesn't matter how times it's been shown that the data is manipulated in multiple ways, people still want the scary bedtime tale. With an awareness of the tricks, it's not possible to say how many actually died from what is known as 'Covid19'.
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