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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2020 17:09:27 GMT
You are assuming most people get ill which we all know they do t Most of these cases have no or very mild symptoms only 5% at best at best become ill with it less than 1% die Exactly. So the bigger the total number infected is the bigger that 5% as an absolute number is. If you've got 200 people infected then coping with 10 sick people is not a problem for the NHS - however if you've got 2 million infected then coping with 100,000 sick people will cause the ICU capacity to crash and there will be people dying in corridors and waiting rooms while hospitals will become no-go zones for other conditions Surely you get that? Not necessarily as there are a lot more testing of the non vulnerable demographic at the moment and those figures are not turning to death and serious illness
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2020 17:10:25 GMT
Exactly. So the bigger the total number infected is the bigger that 5% as an absolute number is. If you've got 200 people infected then coping with 10 sick people is not a problem for the NHS - however if you've got 2 million infected then coping with 100,000 sick people will cause the ICU capacity to crash and there will be people dying in corridors and waiting rooms while hospitals will become no-go zones for other conditions Surely you get that? He's clinging on for dear life about it being "another scaremongering story" it seems. The collateral damage and draconian measures suggest I’m right
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Post by henry on Oct 1, 2020 17:20:31 GMT
Really don't get how people fail to get this. I don't think it's a case of them not getting it, it's a case of them thinking they won't get ill so they just carry on doing what they want and not giving a shit. Nobody's doing what they want. Unless it's escaped your attention, the whole fucking planet is under restrictions.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 1, 2020 17:33:02 GMT
I don't think it's a case of them not getting it, it's a case of them thinking they won't get ill so they just carry on doing what they want and not giving a shit. Nobody's doing what they want. Unless it's escaped your attention, the whole fucking planet is under restrictions. And there's many a covidiot ignoring them and passing it on to the elderly!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 1, 2020 17:48:49 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Oct 1, 2020 17:49:46 GMT
Nobody's doing what they want. Unless it's escaped your attention, the whole fucking planet is under restrictions. And there's many a covidiot ignoring them and passing it on to the elderly! Beyond the spin, how exactly? I see plenty of elderly sitting in cafes and pubs. Let's have some proper reasoning here. Beyond the Behavioural Insights Team rhetoric that you've absorbed.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 1, 2020 17:56:25 GMT
Exactly. So the bigger the total number infected is the bigger that 5% as an absolute number is. If you've got 200 people infected then coping with 10 sick people is not a problem for the NHS - however if you've got 2 million infected then coping with 100,000 sick people will cause the ICU capacity to crash and there will be people dying in corridors and waiting rooms while hospitals will become no-go zones for other conditions Surely you get that? Not necessarily as there are a lot more testing of the non vulnerable demographic at the moment and those figures are not turning to death and serious illness So I take the percentages you quoted and extrapolate and when you don't like the answer you change them? It's like trying to have a discussion with a four year old.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2020 17:58:06 GMT
I don't think it's a case of them not getting it, it's a case of them thinking they won't get ill so they just carry on doing what they want and not giving a shit. Nobody's doing what they want. Unless it's escaped your attention, the whole fucking planet is under restrictions. The whole planet! That must mean that every country in the world is trying to manage this virus (some better than others) That must mean that a lot of scientists around the globe think that this pandemic is ultra serious. That must mean countries like Germany are managing and trying to get out of this awful situation without griping, blarting, whingeing and crying that they could not go to the match for a few months. And lying on the streets at 2am at the weekend, slobering and farting on each other. Amazing.
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 1, 2020 17:59:59 GMT
He's clinging on for dear life about it being "another scaremongering story" it seems. The collateral damage and draconian measures suggest I’m right Yes sir you were bang on the money hahaha
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2020 18:04:27 GMT
Not necessarily as there are a lot more testing of the non vulnerable demographic at the moment and those figures are not turning to death and serious illness So I take the percentages you quoted and extrapolate and when you don't like the answer you change them? It's like trying to have a discussion with a four year old. Show me the age brackets in testing numbers
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 1, 2020 18:09:12 GMT
Nobody's doing what they want. Unless it's escaped your attention, the whole fucking planet is under restrictions. The whole planet! That must mean that every country in the world is trying to manage this virus (some better than others) That must mean that a lot of scientists around the globe think that this pandemic is ultra serious. That must mean countries like Germany are managing and trying to get out of this awful situation without griping, blarting, whingeing and crying that they could not go to the match for a few months. And lying on the streets at 2am at the weekend, slobering and farting on each other. Amazing. To be fair, there are plenty in Germany (and other countries) that are very disgruntled too. Back in August: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53959552 The virus suppression vs economy/living life debate is raging world wide.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 1, 2020 18:11:18 GMT
Nobody's doing what they want. Unless it's escaped your attention, the whole fucking planet is under restrictions. The whole planet! That must mean that every country in the world is trying to manage this virus (some better than others) That must mean that a lot of scientists around the globe think that this pandemic is ultra serious. That must mean countries like Germany are managing and trying to get out of this awful situation without griping, blarting, whingeing and crying that they could not go to the match for a few months. And lying on the streets at 2am at the weekend, slobering and farting on each other. Amazing. How does this make any difference to sitting in a cafe together at 2pm?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2020 18:13:52 GMT
And there's many a covidiot ignoring them and passing it on to the elderly! Beyond the spin, how exactly? I see plenty of elderly sitting in cafes and pubs. Let's have some proper reasoning here. Beyond the Behavioural Insights Team rhetoric that you've absorbed. Really? You were telling us everyone was living in fear, too terrified to go out a couple of weeks ago?
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Post by starkiller on Oct 1, 2020 18:35:52 GMT
Beyond the spin, how exactly? I see plenty of elderly sitting in cafes and pubs. Let's have some proper reasoning here. Beyond the Behavioural Insights Team rhetoric that you've absorbed. Really? You were telling us everyone was living in fear, too terrified to go out a couple of weeks ago? Is pedantry stalking the best you can do?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2020 18:46:42 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 1, 2020 18:59:03 GMT
Leadership. From Ian Blackford,
I repeat, Ian Blackford.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2020 18:59:32 GMT
The whole planet! That must mean that every country in the world is trying to manage this virus (some better than others) That must mean that a lot of scientists around the globe think that this pandemic is ultra serious. That must mean countries like Germany are managing and trying to get out of this awful situation without griping, blarting, whingeing and crying that they could not go to the match for a few months. And lying on the streets at 2am at the weekend, slobering and farting on each other. Amazing. How does this make any difference to sitting in a cafe together at 2pm? You obviously didn't get out much in pre-covid times.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 1, 2020 19:05:51 GMT
The whole planet! That must mean that every country in the world is trying to manage this virus (some better than others) That must mean that a lot of scientists around the globe think that this pandemic is ultra serious. That must mean countries like Germany are managing and trying to get out of this awful situation without griping, blarting, whingeing and crying that they could not go to the match for a few months. And lying on the streets at 2am at the weekend, slobering and farting on each other. Amazing. To be fair, there are plenty in Germany (and other countries) that are very disgruntled too. Back in August: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53959552 The virus suppression vs economy/living life debate is raging world wide. "Far right" Germany have handled this situation a lot better than most. Sensible precautions without the likes of the self serving plonkers on this board. We've turned into a country of selfish drunk twats.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2020 19:27:32 GMT
Leadership. From Ian Blackford, I repeat, Ian Blackford. Can he make her resign Ms Ferrier was one of the MPs who called on the prime minister's advisor Dominic Cummings to resign in the wake of the controversy over his visit to the north east of England during lockdown. At the time, she said his actions had "undermined the sacrifices that we have all been making" and described his position as "untenable".
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 1, 2020 19:32:48 GMT
Leadership. From Ian Blackford, I repeat, Ian Blackford. Can he make her resign Ms Ferrier was one of the MPs who called on the prime minister's advisor Dominic Cummings to resign in the wake of the controversy over his visit to the north east of England during lockdown. At the time, she said his actions had "undermined the sacrifices that we have all been making" and described his position as "untenable". Not sure he can make someone resign? I'm pretty sure that can only come from the person themselves. Not even sure he has the power to 'sack' her as an MP. He has however, taken immediate action and removed the whip which in effect has expelled her from the party. Cummings neither resigned, was sacked or had any form of disciplinary and was instead afforded a presser to tell us all how we should now seek to get our eyes tested. So whilst I'm not a fan of Ian Blackford in the slightest; I will repeat, Leadership.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 1, 2020 20:02:11 GMT
Leadership. From Ian Blackford, I repeat, Ian Blackford. Covidiots strike again!
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Post by nott1 on Oct 1, 2020 20:04:45 GMT
Leadership. From Ian Blackford, I repeat, Ian Blackford. Can he make her resign Ms Ferrier was one of the MPs who called on the prime minister's advisor Dominic Cummings to resign in the wake of the controversy over his visit to the north east of England during lockdown. At the time, she said his actions had "undermined the sacrifices that we have all been making" and described his position as "untenable". Seperate rules for Boris's mates don't yer know.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 1, 2020 20:06:19 GMT
So I take the percentages you quoted and extrapolate and when you don't like the answer you change them? It's like trying to have a discussion with a four year old. Show me the age brackets in testing numbers 24% of people tested are in the over 60 age bracket which is broadly consistent with the number of people in the population who are over 60.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2020 20:13:53 GMT
Leadership. From Ian Blackford, I repeat, Ian Blackford. Can he make her resign Ms Ferrier was one of the MPs who called on the prime minister's advisor Dominic Cummings to resign in the wake of the controversy over his visit to the north east of England during lockdown. At the time, she said his actions had "undermined the sacrifices that we have all been making" and described his position as "untenable". There was a time when an MP wouldn't have thought twice about not resigning in this situation, however in a post Cummings age, it doesn't even seem appropriate anymore.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2020 20:15:38 GMT
Show me the age brackets in testing numbers 24% of people tested are in the over 60 age bracket which is broadly consistent with the number of people in the population who are over 60. The median age for both people newly tested and people newly testing positive has been steadily declining since NHS Test and Trace began. The fall has been more significant in those people newly testing positive, falling from age 52 at the beginning of the programme to 31 in the current week. So testing and positive tests age brackets is continuing to fall
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2020 20:16:20 GMT
Can he make her resign Ms Ferrier was one of the MPs who called on the prime minister's advisor Dominic Cummings to resign in the wake of the controversy over his visit to the north east of England during lockdown. At the time, she said his actions had "undermined the sacrifices that we have all been making" and described his position as "untenable". There was a time when an MP wouldn't have thought twice about not resigning in this situation, however in a post Cummings age, it doesn't even seem appropriate anymore. Post Cummings age? Nah more like post Mellor
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 1, 2020 20:33:42 GMT
Really? You were telling us everyone was living in fear, too terrified to go out a couple of weeks ago? Is pedantry stalking the best you can do? Wear a mask; don't wear a mask. Elderly are too scared to go out; plenty of elderly in cafes and restaurants. That's the problem with bullshit, it's so easy to forget what you've come out with previously...
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Post by Davef on Oct 1, 2020 20:35:17 GMT
Excellent speech from a LibDem MP.
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Post by Northy on Oct 1, 2020 20:41:08 GMT
Can he make her resign Ms Ferrier was one of the MPs who called on the prime minister's advisor Dominic Cummings to resign in the wake of the controversy over his visit to the north east of England during lockdown. At the time, she said his actions had "undermined the sacrifices that we have all been making" and described his position as "untenable". There was a time when an MP wouldn't have thought twice about not resigning in this situation, however in a post Cummings age, it doesn't even seem appropriate anymore. Cummings isn't an MP though and didn't travel on public transport, or go to work, people use Cummings as an excuse for their own poor behaviour
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Post by werrington on Oct 1, 2020 20:43:26 GMT
There was a time when an MP wouldn't have thought twice about not resigning in this situation, however in a post Cummings age, it doesn't even seem appropriate anymore. Cummings isn't an MP though and didn't travel on public transport, or go to work, people use Cummings as an excuse for their own poor behaviour Are you seriously defending Dominic Cummings?
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