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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 17, 2020 16:19:51 GMT
You really believe what the Chinese government say !!!! Let’s face it if the Chinese government were a bit more truthful we might not be in this mess He's a typical brainwashed communist Pipe down ya daft old racist
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 16:20:26 GMT
Last 7 days = 2,919 + 3,539 +3,497 + 3,330 + 2,621 + 3,105 +3991 = 23,002 You are mixing UK and England - the figures you quoted are for UK - the Sky Twitter report is for England. Not surprised you are looking to have a go at a "slightly" positive report as you always do. Paul has reported all manner of data good, bad and indifferent. What are you on about?
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Post by starkiller on Sept 17, 2020 16:21:44 GMT
It starts at the small level. You once again try mock, but in the UK there is a 1 in 2 million chance of dying of covid, even if you believe it all. This doesn't take into account the inflated figures 'with', which should be reduced by 95%. Also it doesn't take into account the care home deaths bias, also it doesn't take into account the lower the age the less chance there is. Putting all that maths together and you dare to mock people that want their lives back. Way more people are dying from lockdown. Masks do fuck all, social distancing does fuck all. Shutting pubs does fuck all. Because none of it is about a virus. But once again - what are you telling me for? Do you think if I don't wear a mask and stay in the pub until midnight your shady technocrats are going to say "Shit Vladimir, I never realized that Seymour guy was so stubborn and will not subjugate himself to our ways. We must abandon our evil plan immediately" So I ignore the rules. What then? I don't see how it in any way derails the technocratic tyranny you fortell or stops the care home genocide you believe is taking place. You paint a picture that we're fucked any which way - anything I do or don't do is irrelevant. Therefore in the meantime I might as well do the decent thing and try not to infect the old folk and help them out a bit by doing some shopping for them. If while I'm doing that you manage to hatch a plan to avert the technocratic armaggedon then let me know - but I rather suspect you won't - you'll just carry on moaning. Well none of us are bad people. All trying to do our best for folk near and dear. Simply contrasting opinions on how. Nevertheless, the current situation is due to healthy people, scared by the TV, lining up for a dodgy test. I'm happy to take a 1 in 2 million (at worst) chance of dying as acceptable risk. www.thesun.co.uk/news/12557446/chance-catching-covid-44-in-million/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 16:46:41 GMT
Dildo Harding has said that the rise in Covid testing wasn't expected.
She's head of Test and Trace for those who don't know...
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Post by westlandstokie on Sept 17, 2020 17:06:12 GMT
So Dido says she didn't expect such a big demand for testing...really ? What rock has she been living under ? Yet another incompetent fool in charge of something very important. We ain't got a hope have we !
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Post by starkiller on Sept 17, 2020 17:09:07 GMT
Dildo Harding has said that the rise in Covid testing wasn't expected. She's head of Test and Trace for those who don't know... The less testing the better. Especially when the test is misused. What does it achieve, especially for people with fuck all wrong with them?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 17, 2020 17:33:41 GMT
239 deaths in Spain yesterday, up from 156 on Tuesday. I was hopeful that it would be less deadly in the second wave through a combination of reasons but this figure is worrying. Was it reported that some of the steroid therapeutics we have can reduce death on ventilators by up to 50% or have I have I misremembered.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 17, 2020 17:44:25 GMT
Last 7 days = 2,919 + 3,539 +3,497 + 3,330 + 2,621 + 3,105 +3991 = 23,002 Isnt one the UK figures Paul and the other England🤔 Oh yes, thanks Mutters. 👍
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Post by henry on Sept 17, 2020 17:53:32 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 17, 2020 18:00:34 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 17, 2020 18:13:45 GMT
But once again - what are you telling me for? Do you think if I don't wear a mask and stay in the pub until midnight your shady technocrats are going to say "Shit Vladimir, I never realized that Seymour guy was so stubborn and will not subjugate himself to our ways. We must abandon our evil plan immediately" So I ignore the rules. What then? I don't see how it in any way derails the technocratic tyranny you fortell or stops the care home genocide you believe is taking place. You paint a picture that we're fucked any which way - anything I do or don't do is irrelevant. Therefore in the meantime I might as well do the decent thing and try not to infect the old folk and help them out a bit by doing some shopping for them. If while I'm doing that you manage to hatch a plan to avert the technocratic armaggedon then let me know - but I rather suspect you won't - you'll just carry on moaning. Well none of us are bad people. All trying to do our best for folk near and dear. Simply contrasting opinions on how. Nevertheless, the current situation is due to healthy people, scared by the TV, lining up for a dodgy test. I'm happy to take a 1 in 2 million (at worst) chance of dying as acceptable risk. www.thesun.co.uk/news/12557446/chance-catching-covid-44-in-million/It's not all about you. The risk of death is currently low because infections are low. If you and a number of other people ignore the government restrictions infections will increase and the risk of death will increase. If you are young (under 60) and in good health even if infections are high and you catch it the chances that you will die are less than 1 in 100. However if you are old or in poor the chances of you dying if you catch are between 1 in 10 and 1 in 20. So if you catch it and infect about 10-20 old people the chances are one of them will die. And you don't require a DNR form to do this. But hey - crack on. They are only old people after all.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 17, 2020 18:34:17 GMT
Well none of us are bad people. All trying to do our best for folk near and dear. Simply contrasting opinions on how. Nevertheless, the current situation is due to healthy people, scared by the TV, lining up for a dodgy test. I'm happy to take a 1 in 2 million (at worst) chance of dying as acceptable risk. www.thesun.co.uk/news/12557446/chance-catching-covid-44-in-million/It's not all about you. The risk of death is currently low because infections are low. If you and a number of other people ignore the government restrictions infections will increase and the risk of death will increase. If you are young (under 60) and in good health even if infections are high and you catch it the chances that you will die are less than 1 in 100. However if you are old or in poor the chances of you dying if you catch are between 1 in 10 and 1 in 20. So if you catch it and infect about 10-20 old people the chances are one of them will die. And you don't require a DNR form to do this. But hey - crack on. They are only old people after all. It's one in 2 million for risk of death. People who test positive don't have an infection. And positive tests do not mean cases, anymore than coronavirus deaths means people died of covid19. The same suspicious desperate scramble to inflate numbers as much as plausibly possible. All accidental, of course. No decision making involved, of course. And I care about old people being deliberately bumped off in care homes by the same system running this illusion. Oh, they were just 'following orders' on treatment centrally dictated by WHO. The idea that there is some benevolent system that gives a flying fuck about you is laughable. More people have died from lockdown than Cold19.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 18:39:44 GMT
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2020 18:41:46 GMT
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2020 18:42:55 GMT
And that justifies the draconian measures put in place in the north east?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 18:45:07 GMT
And that justifies the draconian measures put in place in the north east? Not looking at those figures no
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 17, 2020 18:55:40 GMT
So Dido says she didn't expect such a big demand for testing...really ? What rock has she been living under ? Yet another incompetent fool in charge of something very important. We ain't got a hope have we ! She was also bleating about the number of people without symptoms going for tests. Well no shit Sherlock - she is in charge of an operation that contacts people telling them they have been close to an infected person and that they should self isolate until they have had a test. Of course there are people without symptoms getting tests - she's directing them to! I can only therefore conclude that the woman is thick. Imagine a Tory dream team for a pub quiz. Harding, Patel, Grayling and Raab. They wouldn't find the fucking pub.
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Post by brumstokie on Sept 17, 2020 19:00:09 GMT
And that justifies the draconian measures put in place in the north east? But the North East probably isn’t able to mass test atm to push the figures up. Today in my part of Brum a minibus organised by the council have been going around offering tests to probably thousands in the streets around us. Me & the wife took the test. It will be interesting if there is the capacity to actually perform the checking. However if the workers clock off at 5 they aren’t getting anyone at work & we know for certain that 2 classes at the school around the corner from us are out primarily because testing & test results are taking too long. Seems like resources aren’t being allocated efficiently.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 17, 2020 19:01:50 GMT
And that justifies the draconian measures put in place in the north east? They don't seem that draconian to me. Households not mixing is a bit of a pisser but not much beyond the 'rule of six'. Pubs need to close between 23.00 and 05.00 and only table service in restaurants - well most do that anyway. Ie I don't see it being justified by the numbers and I don't see the measures being particularly effective even if it was.
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2020 19:11:30 GMT
239 deaths in Spain yesterday, up from 156 on Tuesday. I was hopeful that it would be less deadly in the second wave through a combination of reasons but this figure is worrying. Was it reported that some of the steroid therapeutics we have can reduce death on ventilators by up to 50% or have I have I misremembered. According to Spanish Government data, those figures are a seven day cumulative total pbs.twimg.com/media/EiIfOEqXgAEwAVT?format=jpg&name=large
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 17, 2020 19:29:19 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 17, 2020 20:14:45 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 20:17:30 GMT
The new cases seem driven by schools.
Boris said quite defiantly that he will keep them open.
Will he go back on his word?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 20:21:38 GMT
The new cases seem driven by schools. Boris said quite defiantly that he will keep them open. Will he go back on his word? The way schools are sending pupils home by the class load he won’t need to. At my eldest sons school there’s only 2 years currently in (including his), the football team I coach has just had 8 lads from the same school year sent home to self isolate. It’s rife round these parts.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 20:29:29 GMT
The new cases seem driven by schools. Boris said quite defiantly that he will keep them open. Will he go back on his word? The way schools are sending pupils home by the class load he won’t need to. At my eldest sons school there’s only 2 years currently in (including his), the football team I coach has just had 8 lads from the same school year sent home to self isolate. It’s rife round these parts..... That’s what I mean. It’s like that all over too. He won’t want to do it under any circumstances imo but they’re going to have to sort this out. How? Proper testing. Smaller classes on a rota basis so less kids are affected if there’s a suspected case? Shut schools until we get it lower again.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 17, 2020 20:43:04 GMT
Kids haven’t been around other kids for months, the moment they are they get ill, hold the front page fuck me there’s a development.
The country is turning into North Korea and Kim-Jong Johnson is loving it.
Get your masks on people, be scared because you’ve got a bigger chance of being buggered by a Unicorn than you have of catching this.
Closing the pubs at 10 in the North East has absolutely no justifiable reasoning other than complete and utter control and further destruction of people’s freedom.
The idea was to stop the NHS being overloaded, the NHS never ended up being overloaded and the peak passed in May, we’re now almost in October.
Deaths are as low as they will go, infections are neither here nor there in a country of 68 million.
Why is this still going on? Why are these draconian, nonsensical rules still being drawn up, and more worryingly, why are people just willing to blindly accept them? As pandemics go this is barely a notch on the severity level, why have people had to lose their jobs, their businesses, their livelihoods, their mental health, their education, their access to treatment for other illnesses, their freedom to think for themselves, for something that 99.9% of people will not be affected by?
It’s beyond description that we are still a nation gripped by fear and paranoia, almost seven months into this abject hell of a year.
I’m not buying the argument for second waves or any of that shit, there simply isn’t one, it’s natural viral transition that we see every fucking day between humans and it gets worse in the latter stages of the year, there is no excuse for this absolute charade to carry on a single minute longer.
Packed beaches? No spike VE Day parties? No spike The Crown and Anchor that was going to destroy Staffordshire? 17 out of 1000 tested positive Pubs have been open for ages now? No spike People have been playing sport again? No spike Air travel has started to become more normal again? No spike Schools have opened? No spike People crowding into shopping centres? No spike
See a pattern here? It’s simply staggering how many people are willing to have their normality completely shattered, and in some cases are inexplicably willing for it to be restricted even further.
I’m sure there will be the usual “Tell that to a victims family” or “You wouldn’t say that if you had it”, right, well I don’t know a single person who’s even shown symptoms, and what about the people who are mentally ill/suicidal like me? Or dying of cancer and can’t get treatment like my cousin? Or in extreme pain but they can’t get an appointment because doctors have only in recent days started reopening? Or are facing homelessness because their businesses have had to fold because of these disgraceful measures put in place? Do these not matter? Is Covid the only thing that harms us now is it?!
This is a fucking joke, it’s a viral infection that even the NHS’s website classifies as a common cold, it will be with us forever the same as all the other viral infections you can catch, there is absolutely no excuse for us to still be in this situation.
Has anyone noticed it’s only illegal to have a gathering if you’re not paying VAT for the privilege?
It’s a sneaky disease this, it won’t affect you on your way to work, or at work with hundreds of other people, but if you go a co-workers house for a few bevvies after work wooooah you’re fucked then, but if you go to the pub in two separate groups you’ll be fine.
Sick of it, and if you still support these ridiculous measures in place this far down the line then fuck you.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 20:50:22 GMT
Kids haven’t been around other kids for months, the moment they are they get ill, hold the front page fuck me there’s a development. The country is turning into North Korea and Kim-Jong Johnson is loving it. Get your masks on people, be scared because you’ve got a bigger chance of being buggered by a Unicorn than you have of catching this. Closing the pubs at 10 in the North East has absolutely no justifiable reasoning other than complete and utter control and further destruction of people’s freedom. The idea was to stop the NHS being overloaded, the NHS never ended up being overloaded and the peak passed in May, we’re now almost in October. Deaths are as low as they will go, infections are neither here nor there in a country of 68 million. Why is this still going on? Why are these draconian, nonsensical rules still being drawn up, and more worryingly, why are people just willing to blindly accept them? As pandemics go this is barely a notch on the severity level, why have people had to lose their jobs, their businesses, their livelihoods, their mental health, their education, their access to treatment for other illnesses, their freedom to think for themselves, for something that 99.9% of people will not be affected by? It’s beyond description that we are still a nation gripped by fear and paranoia, almost seven months into this abject hell of a year. I’m not buying the argument for second waves or any of that shit, there simply isn’t one, it’s natural viral transition that we see every fucking day between humans and it gets worse in the latter stages of the year, there is no excuse for this absolute charade to carry on a single minute longer. Packed beaches? No spike VE Day parties? No spike The Crown and Anchor that was going to destroy Staffordshire? 17 out of 1000 tested positive Pubs have been open for ages now? No spike People have been playing sport again? No spike Air travel has started to become more normal again? No spike Schools have opened? No spike People crowding into shopping centres? No spike See a pattern here? It’s simply staggering how many people are willing to have their normality completely shattered, and in some cases are inexplicably willing for it to be restricted even further. I’m sure there will be the usual “Tell that to a victims family” or “You wouldn’t say that if you had it”, right, well I don’t know a single person who’s even shown symptoms, and what about the people who are mentally ill/suicidal like me? Or dying of cancer and can’t get treatment like my cousin? Or in extreme pain but they can’t get an appointment because doctors have only in recent days started reopening? Or are facing homelessness because their businesses have had to fold because of these disgraceful measures put in place? Do these not matter? Is Covid the only thing that harms us now is it?! This is a fucking joke, it’s a viral infection that even the NHS’s website classifies as a common cold, it will be with us forever the same as all the other viral infections you can catch, there is absolutely no excuse for us to still be in this situation. Has anyone noticed it’s only illegal to have a gathering if you’re not paying VAT for the privilege? It’s a sneaky disease this, it won’t affect you on your way to work, or at work with hundreds of other people, but if you go a co-workers house for a few bevvies after work wooooah you’re fucked then, but if you go to the pub in two separate groups you’ll be fine. Sick of it, and if you still support these ridiculous measures in place this far down the line then fuck you. When we are back at 1000+ deaths a day will you feel the same ?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 17, 2020 20:52:21 GMT
Kids haven’t been around other kids for months, the moment they are they get ill, hold the front page fuck me there’s a development. The country is turning into North Korea and Kim-Jong Johnson is loving it. Get your masks on people, be scared because you’ve got a bigger chance of being buggered by a Unicorn than you have of catching this. Closing the pubs at 10 in the North East has absolutely no justifiable reasoning other than complete and utter control and further destruction of people’s freedom. The idea was to stop the NHS being overloaded, the NHS never ended up being overloaded and the peak passed in May, we’re now almost in October. Deaths are as low as they will go, infections are neither here nor there in a country of 68 million. Why is this still going on? Why are these draconian, nonsensical rules still being drawn up, and more worryingly, why are people just willing to blindly accept them? As pandemics go this is barely a notch on the severity level, why have people had to lose their jobs, their businesses, their livelihoods, their mental health, their education, their access to treatment for other illnesses, their freedom to think for themselves, for something that 99.9% of people will not be affected by? It’s beyond description that we are still a nation gripped by fear and paranoia, almost seven months into this abject hell of a year. I’m not buying the argument for second waves or any of that shit, there simply isn’t one, it’s natural viral transition that we see every fucking day between humans and it gets worse in the latter stages of the year, there is no excuse for this absolute charade to carry on a single minute longer. Packed beaches? No spike VE Day parties? No spike The Crown and Anchor that was going to destroy Staffordshire? 17 out of 1000 tested positive Pubs have been open for ages now? No spike People have been playing sport again? No spike Air travel has started to become more normal again? No spike Schools have opened? No spike People crowding into shopping centres? No spike See a pattern here? It’s simply staggering how many people are willing to have their normality completely shattered, and in some cases are inexplicably willing for it to be restricted even further. I’m sure there will be the usual “Tell that to a victims family” or “You wouldn’t say that if you had it”, right, well I don’t know a single person who’s even shown symptoms, and what about the people who are mentally ill/suicidal like me? Or dying of cancer and can’t get treatment like my cousin? Or in extreme pain but they can’t get an appointment because doctors have only in recent days started reopening? Or are facing homelessness because their businesses have had to fold because of these disgraceful measures put in place? Do these not matter? Is Covid the only thing that harms us now is it?! This is a fucking joke, it’s a viral infection that even the NHS’s website classifies as a common cold, it will be with us forever the same as all the other viral infections you can catch, there is absolutely no excuse for us to still be in this situation. Has anyone noticed it’s only illegal to have a gathering if you’re not paying VAT for the privilege? It’s a sneaky disease this, it won’t affect you on your way to work, or at work with hundreds of other people, but if you go a co-workers house for a few bevvies after work wooooah you’re fucked then, but if you go to the pub in two separate groups you’ll be fine. Sick of it, and if you still support these ridiculous measures in place this far down the line then fuck you. When we are back at 1000+ deaths a day will you feel the same ? We won’t be, that’s my point. More people died of suicide in August than of Covid. What more do you want? No deaths at all? Well that’s impossible I’m afraid.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2020 21:01:47 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 21:04:10 GMT
When we are back at 1000+ deaths a day will you feel the same ? We won’t be, that’s my point. More people died of suicide in August than of Covid. What more do you want? No deaths at all? Well that’s impossible I’m afraid. Agreed on the zero but I believe the trajectory is back to where we were and lessons not learned
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