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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 16, 2020 23:09:53 GMT
Check out what this brave lady is saying Dr. Li-Meng Yan on Tucker Carlson you tube, twitter closed her account if this is true China have declared war on the rest of the World. Tucker Carlson ladies and gentlemen: Wiki -'An advocate of U.S. president Donald Trump, Carlson has been described as "perhaps the highest-profile proponent of 'Trumpism' and willing to criticize Trump if he strayed from it." He is also said to have influenced some key policy decisions by Trump. As of 2020, Tucker Carlson Tonight is the most-watched cable news show in the United States. Carlson's controversial statements on race, immigration and women have led to advertiser boycotts against the show.' Guardian - 'The rightwing Fox News host Tucker Carlson has defended the actions of a 17-year-old who was arrested and charged with murder after two people were killed in Kenosha, Wisconsin, as white vigilante agitators shot at Black Lives Matter protesters.' Nahhhhhh, you're alright thanks 😊 Alright we'll toe the party line and swollow it up.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 23:52:50 GMT
The PM won’t lockdown. And rightly so. But my word he should think about shutting schools until they can sort the testing out. Opening schools was always going to be what tipped the balance, I've been saying it for months. It's going to be a tough winter and I think they'll have to rush the Oxford vaccine through.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 17, 2020 0:50:18 GMT
[br Of course they as will as normal hesitate yet Again when Whitty is spot on if two weeks late himself Pubs shops the lot should be close before the weekend On want grounds should we continue to kill people with lockdowns and the resulting catastrophe? Just because the media dare not report these folk?
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Post by Timmypotter on Sept 17, 2020 4:37:57 GMT
Quoting Tucker Carlson..... I’ve never heard of Tucker Carlson But then again I’ve never heard of all the buggers you quote off Twitter 😉😉 Apropos of nothing, here he is fishing in Central Park
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 6:13:04 GMT
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FHM Sweden, A.Tegnell says the mild flu season 2019 could be a reason so many here died of Corona. They survived from the non-existing flu, but died of Corona instead.
Obviously an explanation and not an excuse or defence of the strategy.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 7:30:19 GMT
Serious question if this virus is so deadly where Are the biochemical bins for the use gloves or masks It only stays live on certain surfaces like steel or hardwood for a max of 3 days. On most other surfaces it's dead within a day. And up here people are assumed to bring and throw them away at home, not in public.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 7:32:50 GMT
Anybody knows if the death squads are still out killing people and put them in the van if they cough or sneeze outdoors in Nigeria (or Namibia?), as reported in May?
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 7:39:22 GMT
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Sweden has focused much of the testing on people within the health sector. When they claimed last week the estimated total herd immunity in this country is 7% and within the Stockholm region 14%, it turned out to be a bit exaggerated, a bit biased.
Speculations on debate, it might be as low as 5% in the total population.
If you take into account you can catch the shit again (and again?), herd immunity is a forgotten aim.
No matter what, we won't reach herd immunity before the ordered vaccine is here in January. Swedes are 100% sure of it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 7:42:39 GMT
[br Of course they as will as normal hesitate yet Again when Whitty is spot on if two weeks late himself Pubs shops the lot should be closed before the weekend
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 7:44:48 GMT
Pubs shops the lot should be closed before the weekend Is the 2nd wave more intense or do they just act quicker?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 7:45:07 GMT
[br Of course they as will as normal hesitate yet Again when Whitty is spot on if two weeks late himself Pubs shops the lot should be close before the weekend On want grounds should we continue to kill people with lockdowns and the resulting catastrophe? Just because the media dare not report these folk? Because we’ve lost 10,000s of thousand already we are likely to lose a number moving to 100,000s of thousands if we don’t . The public simply can’t be trusted to behave responsibly A vaccine is perhaps 6 months ago and that’s the time to rebuild
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 7:48:50 GMT
On want grounds should we continue to kill people with lockdowns and the resulting catastrophe? Just because the media dare not report these folk? Because we’ve lost 10,000s of thousand already we are likely to lose a number moving to 100,000s of thousands if we don’t . The public simply can’t be trusted to behave responsibly A vaccine is perhaps 6 months ago and that’s the time to rebuild Is it possible for people to act responsible all the time? Over here there are no guards or anything to stop people from entering buses for instance.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 7:52:20 GMT
[br Of course they as will as normal hesitate yet Again when Whitty is spot on if two weeks late himself Pubs shops the lot should be close before the weekend I’m in the be cautious with this camp but that would be ludicrous and unnecessary. Bayern Liverpool and Newcastle about to be told 10.00 pm pubs closing what’s the point where’s the medical science that says 1 People can’t get pissed and irresponsible before 10.00pm 2 you can’t get infected before I 10.00 3 you can’t pass it on if your infected before 10.000 It’s absolute nonsense they are either closed or open it’s weak , pandering government China korea etc at one end and Sweden the other at least had leadership we have one backtrack after another the only sure thing is joe he’s said lockdown is the last resort he’ll announce it tens days too late killing 10/20k in the process but Tim Martin will be quiet for a few days and the furlough Money will be spent in the pubs and restaurants .
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 17, 2020 7:53:28 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money.
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Post by Northy on Sept 17, 2020 7:56:31 GMT
I’m in the be cautious with this camp but that would be ludicrous and unnecessary. Bayern Liverpool and Newcastle about to be told 10.00 pm pubs closing what’s the point where’s the medical science that says 1 People can’t get pissed and irresponsible before 10.00pm 2 you can’t get infected before I 10.00 3 you can’t pass it on if your infected before 10.000 It’s absolute nonsense they are either closed or open it’s weak , pandering government China korea etc at one end and Sweden the other at least had leadership we have one backtrack after another the only sure thing is joe he’s said lockdown is the last resort he’ll announce it tens days too late killing 10/20k in the process but Tim Martin will be quiet for a few days and the furlough Money will be spent in the pubs and restaurants . Most people tend to go out after they've come home from work and had their tea, that's when the pubs get busier and people tend to forget about social distancing, it's all about managing the risk to reduce the numbers, sorry but you've got to be thick not to understand that, if you want it totally wiped out we would be in full lockdown for a month
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 8:00:02 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money. Sometimes it comes hand in hand. 😜 On the other hand, fact is, if the whole world had made a 100% lock down for just a week when Corona first appeared - it had died out and had never been a problem for anyone anywhere ever. Unfortunately, this is hypothetical and such a fast solution wasn't achieveable. There are always some out there somewhere including animals, so the shit survives ...
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2020 8:02:26 GMT
Latest Sweden has focused much of the testing on people within the health sector. When they claimed last week the estimated total herd immunity in this country is 7% and within the Stockholm region 14%, it turned out to be a bit exaggerated, a bit biased. Speculations on debate, it might be as low as 5% in the total population. If you take into account you can catch the shit again (and again?), herd immunity is a forgotten aim. No matter what, we won't reach herd immunity before the ordered vaccine is here in January. Swedes are 100% sure of it. Why do you think there hasn't been the rise in people testing positive in Sweden that we've seen in a lot of other European countries? The last time Sweden recorded a death tally in double figures on a single day was July 11th. With regards to your previous post about the mild flu season, this isn't really latest news. The EuroMOMO site gives data for many European countries and it clearly displays Sweden's excess mortality being below the European average for most of 2019. Covid hit like a sledgehammer in the spring but since then excess mortality has returned to normal levels. Below is a graph of Sweden's excess mortality for the last twenty years. pbs.twimg.com/media/EiGgXuJWoAEM_Un?format=jpg&name=small
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 8:03:58 GMT
Bayern Liverpool and Newcastle about to be told 10.00 pm pubs closing what’s the point where’s the medical science that says 1 People can’t get pissed and irresponsible before 10.00pm 2 you can’t get infected before I 10.00 3 you can’t pass it on if your infected before 10.000 It’s absolute nonsense they are either closed or open it’s weak , pandering government China korea etc at one end and Sweden the other at least had leadership we have one backtrack after another the only sure thing is joe he’s said lockdown is the last resort he’ll announce it tens days too late killing 10/20k in the process but Tim Martin will be quiet for a few days and the furlough Money will be spent in the pubs and restaurants . Most people tend to go out after they've come home from work and had their tea, that's when the pubs get busier and people tend to forget about social distancing, it's all about managing the risk to reduce the numbers, sorry but you've got to be thick not to understand that, if you want it totally wiped out we would be in full lockdown for a month I assure you I’m not thick but for a bit of perspective more NHS workers have now died of the virus Than active soldiers in Afghanistan and for the sake of keeping pubs open we are going to put even more in the firing line for the of a pint you can’ have at home and jobs which can ultimately be protected Or replaced in time , I’m not oblivious to the consequences but it’s unacceptable trade off in my mind when six months from now we may well be in far stronger position to deal with th me situation With it .
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Post by starkiller on Sept 17, 2020 8:11:18 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money. Maybe a stay in a care home is in order for these folk? Anyone fancy it? After all, it's a place of care.
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 17, 2020 8:22:58 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money. Sounds like a recipe for the complete destruction of the already ailing economy. And if we're doing it in September when the weather is decent, what on earth is going to occur over the winter months when everyone is stuck inside.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 8:24:02 GMT
Latest Sweden has focused much of the testing on people within the health sector. When they claimed last week the estimated total herd immunity in this country is 7% and within the Stockholm region 14%, it turned out to be a bit exaggerated, a bit biased. Speculations on debate, it might be as low as 5% in the total population. If you take into account you can catch the shit again (and again?), herd immunity is a forgotten aim. No matter what, we won't reach herd immunity before the ordered vaccine is here in January. Swedes are 100% sure of it. Why do you think there hasn't been the rise in people testing positive in Sweden that we've seen in a lot of other European countries? The last time Sweden recorded a death tally in double figures on a single day was July 11th. With regards to your previous post about the mild flu season, this isn't really latest news. The EuroMOMO site gives data for many European countries and it clearly displays Sweden's excess mortality being below the European average for most of 2019. Covid hit like a sledgehammer in the spring but since then excess mortality has returned to normal levels. Below is a graph of Sweden's excess mortality for the last twenty years. pbs.twimg.com/media/EiGgXuJWoAEM_Un?format=jpg&name=smallThanks Dave! The flu&covid-relation was in the news flow today, some statement by A.T. So I just mentioned it. Unfortunately, our figures are slowly increasing, day by day. We're warned here now. No explanation yet why it "returns" (corona hasn't really left) slower here. Let's see what they say today! They don't seem to think it has to do with herd immunity though. I hope (1) they have informed the immigrants better this time and (2) have protected the elderly better. If these groups aren't counted the figures from the 1st wave here would have been so much better. Excess mortality - why isn't higher now then? They've presented lots of explanations for this here. People have changed their behaviour is one of the main reasons, less relations, less conflicts, less activities.. Other type of viruses are beaten because Corona is stronger is another one, they give.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Sept 17, 2020 8:32:26 GMT
Trump is saying it's 'totally under control' Maybe he is referring to his skin tone or bouffant'ness' of his 'hat' ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2020 8:40:46 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money. Sounds like a recipe for the complete destruction of the already ailing economy. And if we're doing it in September when the weather is decent, what on earth is going to occur over the winter months when everyone is stuck inside. Neither lunatic or drowning in money but lockdown gets my vote We need in my number opinion to knuckle down show some fortitude and Wait for the vaccine that’s a few months away now . If we cnet got to the pub or next or gym so be it , Schools I agree is tricky but universities no and work form home yes . 6 months economic damage is well worth 100,000 British lives as paired elsewhere not to do So is to advocate starting 25 Afghanistan wars on the Saw day .now that would be lunacy
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 17, 2020 8:43:48 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money. It isn't a good idea. It's a shit one. It's just that it might be the one that is slightly less shit than all the other shit options available.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 17, 2020 8:53:34 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Sept 17, 2020 8:53:45 GMT
Anyone who thinks that another national lockdown is a good idea is either a completic lunatic or earns far too much money. It isn't a good idea. It's a shit one. It's just that it might be the one that is slightly less shit than all the other shit options available. Well, even if you believe everything as reported, we now know the most widely reported symptom is - nothing. So is it really the best option? We're hardly living in the zombie film that many expected. And many still believe, if you follow that hit zombie TV series called 'The News'.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 17, 2020 8:57:31 GMT
Sounds like a recipe for the complete destruction of the already ailing economy. And if we're doing it in September when the weather is decent, what on earth is going to occur over the winter months when everyone is stuck inside. Wait for the vaccine that’s a few months away now . Here's a snippet from todays Telegraph We are still upto a year away from a Vaccine being approved en mass. You can't shut the country down waiting for something that currently has no timeline as to it's arrival.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2020 9:02:20 GMT
Wait for the vaccine that’s a few months away now . Here's a snippet from todays Telegraph We are still upto a year away from a Vaccine being approved en mass. You can't shut the country down waiting for something that currently has no timeline as to it's arrival. Weird. It must be different kind of vaccines against Corona? Here they plan and organize for the patient groups in January. But I will wait until March.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 17, 2020 9:06:09 GMT
It isn't a good idea. It's a shit one. It's just that it might be the one that is slightly less shit than all the other shit options available. Well, even if you believe everything as reported, we now know the most widely reported symptom is - nothing. So is it really the best option? We're hardly living in the zombie film that many expected. And many still believe, if you follow that hit zombie TV series called 'The News'. Well - if your intepretation of the world is correct we're all on track to become victims of a global totalitarian takeover anyway - so lockdown, no lockdown, go to the pub, visit your granny - doesn't matter - the technocratic tyranny that you're convinced about will eventually get it's way. With you having such bigger fish to fry I'm not really sure why you're even bothering entering the debate on something as irrelevant as what a tiny corner if the world like England decides to do between now and Christmas. Surely your time would be better spent raising a Global Army of Resistance? Go on - there's no time to waste.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 17, 2020 9:09:37 GMT
Here's a snippet from todays Telegraph We are still upto a year away from a Vaccine being approved en mass. You can't shut the country down waiting for something that currently has no timeline as to it's arrival. Weird. It must be different kind of vaccines against Corona? Here they plan and organize for the patient groups in January. But I will wait until March. More like different Health & Safety rules. It's 1 thing thinking you've created a vaccine, it's another testing it's safe to release to everybody. Some countries may rush it through and worry about the side effects later.
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