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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 20:53:47 GMT
Aye, just seen. Deleting his instagram and fined two weeks wages. Seems quite reasonable really, the joke was in poor taste. The kids inclusion was what made it hard to defend imo. Nothing but a quiet word was needed, it was nothing that a few idiots have gone overboard with. Not sure I totally agree, I really like McClean and when I first saw that it gave me a chuckle. Quite clearly a joke, and poking fun at his own image. The problem is though, that it's not really an image he can embrace and come out of looking good. The club have always defended McClean and they might feel a bit fucked over when he's creating unnecessary controversy and winding up people. Also as I originally stated I do think it undermines the very serious tone of the debate, and actually undermines his very valid stance on the Poppy. You only need to look at the reaction his refusing to wear it garners to see there's clearly some degree of truth to it becoming a bit of a nationalist symbol. I think it was a dumb post, I can see why the club would be frustrated and it's not the first time so I can see why they're asking him to close his account while he's at the club. As for the whole 'forcing him to' thing we have no idea how that conversation went, it might be that they were like, 'look James I know it was a laugh but we have to seen to do something' and both parties might have reached a conclusion totally amicably to save face publicly.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 21:04:16 GMT
Nothing but a quiet word was needed, it was nothing that a few idiots have gone overboard with. Not sure I totally agree, I really like McClean and when I first saw that it gave me a chuckle. Quite clearly a joke, and poking fun at his own image. The problem is though, that it's not really an image he can embrace and come out of looking good. The club have always defended McClean and they might feel a bit fucked over when he's creating unnecessary controversy and winding up people. Also as I originally stated I do think it undermines the very serious tone of the debate, and actually undermines his very valid stance on the Poppy. You only need to look at the reaction his refusing to wear it garners to see there's clearly some degree of truth to it becoming a bit of a nationalist symbol. I think it was a dumb post, I can see why the club would be frustrated and it's not the first time so I can see why they're asking him to close his account while he's at the club. As for the whole 'forcing him to' thing we have no idea how that conversation went, it might be that they were like, 'look James I know it was a laugh but we have to seen to do something' and both parties might have reached a conclusion totally amicably to save face publicly. Of course they've forced him to close his Instagram account. They've made a point of publicly announcing that he has agreed (and that's the important word) to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:11:11 GMT
Nothing but a quiet word was needed, it was nothing that a few idiots have gone overboard with. Not sure I totally agree, I really like McClean and when I first saw that it gave me a chuckle. Quite clearly a joke, and poking fun at his own image. The problem is though, that it's not really an image he can embrace and come out of looking good. The club have always defended McClean and they might feel a bit fucked over when he's creating unnecessary controversy and winding up people. Also as I originally stated I do think it undermines the very serious tone of the debate, and actually undermines his very valid stance on the Poppy. You only need to look at the reaction his refusing to wear it garners to see there's clearly some degree of truth to it becoming a bit of a nationalist symbol. I think it was a dumb post, I can see why the club would be frustrated and it's not the first time so I can see why they're asking him to close his account while he's at the club. As for the whole 'forcing him to' thing we have no idea how that conversation went, it might be that they were like, 'look James I know it was a laugh but we have to seen to do something' and both parties might have reached a conclusion totally amicably to save face publicly. Sounds about right. Anyway all done and dusted now
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 27, 2020 21:19:20 GMT
Not sure I totally agree, I really like McClean and when I first saw that it gave me a chuckle. Quite clearly a joke, and poking fun at his own image. The problem is though, that it's not really an image he can embrace and come out of looking good. The club have always defended McClean and they might feel a bit fucked over when he's creating unnecessary controversy and winding up people. Also as I originally stated I do think it undermines the very serious tone of the debate, and actually undermines his very valid stance on the Poppy. You only need to look at the reaction his refusing to wear it garners to see there's clearly some degree of truth to it becoming a bit of a nationalist symbol. I think it was a dumb post, I can see why the club would be frustrated and it's not the first time so I can see why they're asking him to close his account while he's at the club. As for the whole 'forcing him to' thing we have no idea how that conversation went, it might be that they were like, 'look James I know it was a laugh but we have to seen to do something' and both parties might have reached a conclusion totally amicably to save face publicly. Of course they've forced him to close his Instagram account. They've made a point of publicly announcing that he has agreed (and that's the important word) to do so. I'm surprised someone with such strong views would accept a closing down of an outlet for those views.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 27, 2020 21:52:36 GMT
It depends on the context. It is if it plays into a stereotype of Irish people being unintelligent which you have done here by linking it to "Dumb as fuck is being kind!" Malcolm, what are your thoughts on Stoke City forcing a player to delete their Instagram account? It's an interesting one, Paul. From what they've put in the public domain it's difficult to tell to what extent they "forced" him and to what extent he agreed that it's an appropriate thing to do in the circumstances. It might have been a quid pro quo for a reduced sanction. Legally, their whole action probably depends on the terms of the contract. The post does have a link with the employer so the club is probably on strong ground if it is deemed to bring the club into disrepute, but that itself might be arguable. But his Union, the PFA, have one or two other things to worry about at the moment, like clubs going out of business because of the crisis, so it probably wouldn't be anywhere near the top of their in-tray, even if he wanted to argue it. Social media is whole grey area for many employers. We are currently having exactly this discussion in the FSA. Although I'm not an employee, but an elected chair, it affects me too. To what extent does the fact that I identify myself in my twitter profile and on this board with my FSA role fetter what I should post, either on football or non-football topics ? I don't think there is a clear and easy answer. On this topic of course, it is both football and non-football, which makes it even more complicated !
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Post by fbw on Mar 27, 2020 21:53:12 GMT
For all you claiming it was just a joke and a bit of a laugh ! Have a word with yersen and tell that to the innocent victims of the SCUM that is the IRA. i haven’t got a problem with his refusal to wear a poppy, that’s his right but his constant winding up of the issue, quoting IRA members, calling them heroes and friends, running on the pitch during a minutes silence as well as posting offensive pics on Instagram is disgusting 😡😡 If this was a white footballer taking the mick out of slaves for example there would be hell up🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
And to top it all he’s only a average footballer 🙄🙄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:55:08 GMT
Is wearing a balaclava an offence now some people just want to hate him. I didnt find his tweet particularly funny (im sure neither does he now), but i certainly wasnt offended or threatened by it! Personally I couldn't care less what he posts on social media or anyone else for that matter. Baffled by this nonsensical fascination with it. Thing is though we live in a world of oh I'm so offended people who will try to find fault with so much and all he's done is fed them and out they crawl.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 27, 2020 22:20:17 GMT
Nothing but a quiet word was needed, it was nothing that a few idiots have gone overboard with. Not sure I totally agree, I really like McClean and when I first saw that it gave me a chuckle. Quite clearly a joke, and poking fun at his own image. The problem is though, that it's not really an image he can embrace and come out of looking good. The club have always defended McClean and they might feel a bit fucked over when he's creating unnecessary controversy and winding up people. Also as I originally stated I do think it undermines the very serious tone of the debate, and actually undermines his very valid stance on the Poppy. You only need to look at the reaction his refusing to wear it garners to see there's clearly some degree of truth to it becoming a bit of a nationalist symbol. I think it was a dumb post, I can see why the club would be frustrated and it's not the first time so I can see why they're asking him to close his account while he's at the club. As for the whole 'forcing him to' thing we have no idea how that conversation went, it might be that they were like, 'look James I know it was a laugh but we have to seen to do something' and both parties might have reached a conclusion totally amicably to save face publicly. Its pretty clear they forced him or at least pointed him in that direction, and two weeks wages for a joke (good or bad) is way over the top, as I said, a quiet word would have done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 22:31:36 GMT
How English people can support or sympathise a bloke who quite clearly tries to wind up people about the fact he fully supports the IRA astound me. If he wasn't earning a wage in the country of the people he constantly tries to take the piss out of then fair enough.
Saying that though, he's got to be known and remembered for something I suppose, because his footballing ability won't cut it.
I don't give a shit about his beliefs and I said that when we signed him, the only thing I've ever given a shit about is that he isn't anywhere near good enough a player to warrant all the bollocks he brings to every club he's at. There is a reason why he is universally unliked by football fans across the country, and that's because he is a purposely divisive nothing footballer.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 27, 2020 22:41:27 GMT
Yes he has certainly type cast himself as the proverbial Paddy! And the paddy quote just shows what a racist you are No more than Mr MacLean!
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 27, 2020 22:57:21 GMT
How English people can support or sympathise a bloke who quite clearly tries to wind up people about the fact he fully supports the IRA astound me. If he wasn't earning a wage in the country of the people he constantly tries to take the piss out of then fair enough. Saying that though, he's got to be known and remembered for something I suppose, because his footballing ability won't cut it. I don't give a shit about his beliefs and I said that when we signed him, the only thing I've ever given a shit about is that he isn't anywhere near good enough a player to warrant all the bollocks he brings to every club he's at. There is a reason why he is universally unliked by football fans across the country, and that's because he is a purposely divisive nothing footballer. That's the crux of the matter, he's a divisive footballer but even worse, he's a shit footballer. I was at Forest last season and saw the divide he caused amongst our support. He really isn't worth this shit.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 27, 2020 23:31:59 GMT
It appears he has even less brain cells that technical football ability
Talking about drawing ill advised attention to ones self
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Post by mrteddysalad on Mar 27, 2020 23:34:01 GMT
We really don't need McClean as results prior to the shut down shows. I can still remember his ear cupping shit after the tap in against against Luton. His crossing is absolutely shit but worst than all that he brings divisive politics into our club and for such a wank footballer that is unacceptable. The sooner we fuck him off the better. Powell is toss out wide though. We're much better with McClean out there and Powell as the #10.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 23:47:26 GMT
Of course they've forced him to close his Instagram account. They've made a point of publicly announcing that he has agreed (and that's the important word) to do so. I'm surprised someone with such strong views would accept a closing down of an outlet for those views. Exactly ... he wouldn't have given it up lightly, it must have been some tough ultimatum that they made to him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2020 23:48:59 GMT
Malcolm, what are your thoughts on Stoke City forcing a player to delete their Instagram account? It's an interesting one, Paul. From what they've put in the public domain it's difficult to tell to what extent they "forced" him and to what extent he agreed that it's an appropriate thing to do in the circumstances. It might have been a quid pro quo for a reduced sanction. Legally, their whole action probably depends on the terms of the contract. The post does have a link with the employer so the club is probably on strong ground if it is deemed to bring the club into disrepute, but that itself might be arguable. But his Union, the PFA, have one or two other things to worry about at the moment, like clubs going out of business because of the crisis, so it probably wouldn't be anywhere near the top of their in-tray, even if he wanted to argue it. Social media is whole grey area for many employers. We are currently having exactly this discussion in the FSA. Although I'm not an employee, but an elected chair, it affects me too. To what extent does the fact that I identify myself in my twitter profile and on this board with my FSA role fetter what I should post, either on football or non-football topics ? I don't think there is a clear and easy answer. On this topic of course, it is both football and non-football, which makes it even more complicated ! Yep, that's exactly the point I was making ... it would be interesting to know, what it was.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 27, 2020 23:49:38 GMT
We really don't need McClean as results prior to the shut down shows. I can still remember his ear cupping shit after the tap in against against Luton. His crossing is absolutely shit but worst than all that he brings divisive politics into our club and for such a wank footballer that is unacceptable. The sooner we fuck him off the better. Powell is toss out wide though. We're much better with McClean out there and Powell as the #10. I'd always play Powell as the No 10 but have Ince on the left, if not Ince then Thompson.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 28, 2020 0:03:15 GMT
I'm surprised someone with such strong views would accept a closing down of an outlet for those views. Exactly ... he wouldn't have given it up lightly, it must have been some threat. Imagine the publicity if Stoke had sacked him. Now that would have been an earth shattering stance. James buckled though and thought through the finances and realised losing a fortnights wages was a small price to pay for coining in or around a million a year. You have to admire the principles.
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Post by thicknthin on Mar 28, 2020 0:10:15 GMT
No matter where your views stand on James McClean, something that cannot be argued, is that he is nowhere near good enough as a footballer to be worth all the ridiculous baggage he brings with him. X1000 Average at best football player, first class numbskull ( being polite)
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Post by thicknthin on Mar 28, 2020 0:27:38 GMT
Yes he has certainly type cast himself as the proverbial Paddy! And the paddy quote just shows what a racist you are Surely xenophobe is the word you are looking for? Think you need to google the meaning of the word racist..
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Post by Boothen on Mar 28, 2020 7:15:58 GMT
Don't care if he wins us the Champions League, I will never forgive him for blatantly posting Bobby Sands' quotes on the exact day that the club that pays his wages were holding an event honouring those service members who paid the ultimate sacrifice. The guy is a fucking tool of the highest order, and the sooner he fucks off and takes his baggage with him the better.
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Post by future100 on Mar 28, 2020 7:17:57 GMT
For all you claiming it was just a joke and a bit of a laugh ! Have a word with yersen and tell that to the innocent victims of the SCUM that is the IRA. i haven’t got a problem with his refusal to wear a poppy, that’s his right but his constant winding up of the issue, quoting IRA members, calling them heroes and friends, running on the pitch during a minutes silence as well as posting offensive pics on Instagram is disgusting 😡😡 If this was a white footballer taking the mick out of slaves for example there would be hell up🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ And to top it all he’s only a average footballer 🙄🙄 I think that the most disturbing thing about this is that he actualy owns a balaclava and was wearing it in front of his children, as Aristotle said, give me the child till seven and I'll show you the man. There was an incident in the Irish parliament about a month ago when a Sinn Fein MP was complaining about a Sinn Fein supporter being evicted from his house by court bailiffs. Leo Varadkar reply was that whilst the MP was complaining about court officials carrying out their official duties, he completley failed to mention anything about the van load of thugs who turned up to assault the bailiffs, as he said "it doesn't take long for the balaclava to slip back on" Everyone understands the significance of the balaclava apart it seems from James McClean.
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Post by felonious on Mar 28, 2020 7:26:46 GMT
I'm surprised someone with such strong views would accept a closing down of an outlet for those views. Exactly ... he wouldn't have given it up lightly, it must have been some tough ultimatum that they made to him. A kneecapping?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 28, 2020 9:06:35 GMT
And the paddy quote just shows what a racist you are Surely xenophobe is the word you are looking for? Think you need to google the meaning of the word racist.. You may well be right, but it's not quite as simple as that. Dictionary definitions are one thing, but in this context the categories and definitions in the Equality Act are more relevant. Race is a protected characteristic under the Act, and the EHRC defines this as "a group of people defined by their race, colour, and nationality (including citizenship) ethnic or national origins." So, both nationality and national origins are included within the legal definition of race under the Act, and therefore I think ursemboys used it correctly in this context.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 28, 2020 9:07:13 GMT
The man is a complete idiot. He was just about winning favour with most of our supporters but indoctrinating his kids is out of order in my view!
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 28, 2020 9:16:41 GMT
The man is a complete idiot. He was just about winning favour with most of our supporters but indoctrinating his kids is out of order in my view! Errrr. I don’t think he was actually indoctrinating his kids. I think that was the point of the joke.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 28, 2020 9:22:42 GMT
The man is a complete idiot. He was just about winning favour with most of our supporters but indoctrinating his kids is out of order in my view! Don't know about that, we all 'indoctrinate' our kids with our views, it's unavoidable and I might not have 2 SCFC supporting son's without it The way he's done it is daft in the view of a lot of us but I don't doubt that by doing it he's further endeared himself to his followers, which is probably what's important to him. I don't mind him now he's an out and out winger, I enjoy watching him play (I'd rather watch Verlinden there to be honest but still) a lot of the time, he's obviously pretty limited but he's all heart. He was hung out to dry by Jones, he wasn't equipped for the role Jones gave him and it cost us a lot of goals.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 28, 2020 9:55:37 GMT
The man is a complete idiot. He was just about winning favour with most of our supporters but indoctrinating his kids is out of order in my view! Errrr. I don’t think he was actually indoctrinating his kids. I think that was the point of the joke. Sitting in front of your kids wearing an IRA uniform is not indoctrinating their young minds? I stand corrected (not).
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 28, 2020 10:26:55 GMT
Errrr. I don’t think he was actually indoctrinating his kids. I think that was the point of the joke. Sitting in front of your kids wearing an IRA uniform is not indoctrinating their young minds? I stand corrected (not). I’m guessing that he didn’t introduce it as such. I would have thought it was more a case of look at Daddy in the mask. I could be completely wrong of course. Maybe the next lesson was making Semtex bombs out of play doh.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 28, 2020 10:38:34 GMT
Sitting in front of your kids wearing an IRA uniform is not indoctrinating their young minds? I stand corrected (not). I’m guessing that he didn’t introduce it as such. I would have thought it was more a case of look at Daddy in the mask. I could be completely wrong of course. Maybe the next lesson was making Semtex bombs out of play doh. Maybe he was telling them how bad they were and how ridiculous it is to cover you face in that way? Either way, he's an absolute loon for making it public. Who the fuck owns a balaclava as well? Idiot.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 28, 2020 10:44:40 GMT
I’m guessing that he didn’t introduce it as such. I would have thought it was more a case of look at Daddy in the mask. I could be completely wrong of course. Maybe the next lesson was making Semtex bombs out of play doh. Maybe he was telling them how bad they were and how ridiculous it is to cover you face in that way? Either way, he's an absolute loon for making it public. Who the fuck owns a balaclava as well? Idiot. Spider-Man?
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