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Post by clintonbaptiste on Mar 26, 2020 22:21:15 GMT
He was finally getting fans onside but then we see shit like this. I don't give 2 fucks what he does on the pitch, this is moronic and unforgivable for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 22:32:57 GMT
It's frustrating because he'd won so many people on side. It undermines his very legitimate dislike of the poppy, which many have.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 26, 2020 22:40:59 GMT
It doesn’t change the fact that it’s top level. Which was the point I was making. No but you did say ' A player of limited ability does not play as consistently at the top level as McLean has.' Which isn't actually the case in fact it's quite common. H I think you have to have a certain amount of ability to play at the top level. Take Carlton Palmer, not exactly the most glittering England career, but ask Shef Wed fans and they’ll tell you different. To play as many games as McLean has at the top flight and to have impressed managers like MON consistently suggests to me that he is a capable top flight player. Not the most talented but equally not out of his depth.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 26, 2020 22:41:08 GMT
It doesn’t change the fact that it’s top level. Which was the point I was making. No but you did say ' A player of limited ability does not play as consistently at the top level as McLean has.' Which isn't actually the case in fact it's quite common. H To say that any player who played consistently at the top level is a player of limited ability is an oxymoron
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 26, 2020 22:47:38 GMT
On his latest foray into social media, which is of course the elephant in the room here.
It’s disappointing. It’s poorly judged. It’s unnecessary imo.
But to look at it another way, is it not just a ham fisted attempt at satire? Is he not playing to the element who abuse him on a regular basis?
Is he trying to make a joke of the perception (of some) that he’s an advocate of terrorism?
I personally don’t like that he’s brought his kids into it. I personally don’t find it funny.
But given the torrents of abuse he faces on a regular basis I’m not sure it justifies the criticism it’s getting.
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Post by M on Mar 26, 2020 22:50:13 GMT
Stupid twat.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 27, 2020 7:45:35 GMT
On his latest foray into social media, which is of course the elephant in the room here. It’s disappointing. It’s poorly judged. It’s unnecessary imo. But to look at it another way, is it not just a ham fisted attempt at satire? Is he not playing to the element who abuse him on a regular basis? Is he trying to make a joke of the perception (of some) that he’s an advocate of terrorism? I personally don’t like that he’s brought his kids into it. I personally don’t find it funny. But given the torrents of abuse he faces on a regular basis I’m not sure it justifies the criticism it’s getting. I think you have summed it up very well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 7:54:53 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The blokes scum. Go and tell him to his face at the next home game if you feel so strongly about it. He will happily stop and chat to you on his way in, as he does most people as he stops for photos and autographs with the kids. If you get there for 12:30 you will guarantee to see him. What I can't guarantee is that you have the balls to follow through with it, or the heart to do it after you see how good he is with the kids.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 27, 2020 8:56:55 GMT
I don't get the fuss. I thought it was quite funny & clever.
He's taking the pee out of the situation and the perception of him.
I find it strange that people are so keen to be so easily offended.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 27, 2020 8:59:34 GMT
I don't get the fuss. I thought it was quite funny clever. He's taking the pee out of the situation and the perception of him. I find it strange that people are so keen to be so easily offended. I agree it’s funny, but it’s also unnecessary and just adds fuel to the faux wrath of the knobheads who froth at the mouth whenever he gets the ball. It’s easier to do nothing, just seems a stupid move to give the idiots something else to be angry about.
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Post by wrightspies on Mar 27, 2020 9:02:04 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The blokes scum. Go and tell him to his face at the next home game if you feel so strongly about it. He will happily stop and chat to you on his way in, as he does most people as he stops for photos and autographs with the kids. If you get there for 12:30 you will guarantee to see him. What I can't guarantee is that you have the balls to follow through with it, or the heart to do it after you see how good he is with the kids. What a stupid comment. So you go and verbally abuse every player that you dislike do you? I've got better things to be doing at 12:30 on a match day.
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Post by wrightspies on Mar 27, 2020 9:02:15 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The blokes scum. Go and tell him to his face at the next home game if you feel so strongly about it. He will happily stop and chat to you on his way in, as he does most people as he stops for photos and autographs with the kids. If you get there for 12:30 you will guarantee to see him. What I can't guarantee is that you have the balls to follow through with it, or the heart to do it after you see how good he is with the kids. What a stupid comment. So you go and verbally abuse every player that you dislike do you? I've got better things to be doing at 12:30 on a match day.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 27, 2020 9:07:34 GMT
I don't get the fuss. I thought it was quite funny clever. He's taking the pee out of the situation and the perception of him. I find it strange that people are so keen to be so easily offended. I agree it’s funny, but it’s also unnecessary and just adds fuel to the faux wrath of the knobheads who froth at the mouth whenever he gets the ball. It’s easier to do nothing, just seems a stupid move to give the idiots something else to be angry about. It just makes those idiots look even more like idiots to me. I don't see why he should not be able to express himself freely. Other players do. He's just playing on the image that he is a just the big bad wolf here. I'm amazed people can't get that. It's not big deal at all. It shows he's got a sense of humour about it all. Looks like those who simply want him to be a big bad wolf are not going to change.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 27, 2020 9:47:12 GMT
The fact that people are actually sticking up for him over this idiotic post is baffling to me. Here is a bloke who is a complete hypocrite (hates the system but quite happy to take the money off that system), turns his back on our national anthem whilst playing for West Brom, quotes Bobby Sands on Twitter AND then sits down during the Rememberance minutes silence. How anyone can keep defending this fucking moron is beyond me. I can't wait for the day this poisonous arsehole leaves our club.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 27, 2020 9:57:31 GMT
On his latest foray into social media, which is of course the elephant in the room here. It’s disappointing. It’s poorly judged. It’s unnecessary imo. But to look at it another way, is it not just a ham fisted attempt at satire? Is he not playing to the element who abuse him on a regular basis? Is he trying to make a joke of the perception (of some) that he’s an advocate of terrorism? I personally don’t like that he’s brought his kids into it. I personally don’t find it funny. But given the torrents of abuse he faces on a regular basis I’m not sure it justifies the criticism it’s getting. I think you have summed it up very well. I also think M sums it up in the post above yours quite well. Albeit far more succinctly and a bit more robustly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:01:22 GMT
Go and tell him to his face at the next home game if you feel so strongly about it. He will happily stop and chat to you on his way in, as he does most people as he stops for photos and autographs with the kids. If you get there for 12:30 you will guarantee to see him. What I can't guarantee is that you have the balls to follow through with it, or the heart to do it after you see how good he is with the kids. What a stupid comment. So you go and verbally abuse every player that you dislike do you? I've got better things to be doing at 12:30 on a match day. I try not to abuse full stop, either face to face or hiding behind a monitor. I'm a big believer in education. Go and learn about people and their past experiences and try and learn why they act the way they do. You come out of it the other side understanding why they act a certain way even if you don't agree with the viewpoint.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 27, 2020 10:04:55 GMT
What a stupid comment. So you go and verbally abuse every player that you dislike do you? I've got better things to be doing at 12:30 on a match day. I try not to abuse full stop, either face to face or hiding behind a monitor. I'm a big believer in education. Go and learn about people and their past experiences and try and learn why they act the way they do. You come out of it the other side understanding why they act a certain way even if you don't agree with the viewpoint. Like why it's funny to dress up like a terrorist in front of his young kids?
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 27, 2020 10:06:48 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The blokes scum. Go and tell him to his face at the next home game if you feel so strongly about it. He will happily stop and chat to you on his way in, as he does most people as he stops for photos and autographs with the kids. If you get there for 12:30 you will guarantee to see him. What I can't guarantee is that you have the balls to follow through with it, or the heart to do it after you see how good he is with the kids. Well said, but they dont have the balls to confront him do they, Key board warriors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:09:06 GMT
I try not to abuse full stop, either face to face or hiding behind a monitor. I'm a big believer in education. Go and learn about people and their past experiences and try and learn why they act the way they do. You come out of it the other side understanding why they act a certain way even if you don't agree with the viewpoint. Like why it's funny to dress up like a terrorist in front of his young kids? Like how it's got to that point and why. It could be as simple as he's not very bright. It could also be a more serious point behind it and he might be explaining the history behind the abuse he's getting and why his young family have had to witness it in the past. I wouldn't like to have to explain that to my young son, dressed up in costume or not.
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 27, 2020 10:13:37 GMT
I try not to abuse full stop, either face to face or hiding behind a monitor. I'm a big believer in education. Go and learn about people and their past experiences and try and learn why they act the way they do. You come out of it the other side understanding why they act a certain way even if you don't agree with the viewpoint. Like why it's funny to dress up like a terrorist in front of his young kids? What he does with his kids is his own business and he aint dressed up has a terrorist for fucks sake he has a balaclava on and how do you know he aint teaching them about the troubles and was making a point about why people call him a terrorist sympathiser, people are just been silly now, leave the guy alone, so he made a ibad call , i have more going on in my life to worry about then a guy in a balaclava
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 27, 2020 10:14:37 GMT
Like why it's funny to dress up like a terrorist in front of his young kids? Like how it's got to that point and why. It could be as simple as he's not very bright. It could also be a more serious point behind it and he might be explaining the history behind the abuse he's getting and why his young family have had to witness it in the past. I wouldn't like to have to explain that to my young son, dressed up in costume or not. You beat me to it mate .
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 27, 2020 10:16:18 GMT
I'm done with this thread. It's like a recruitment campaign for the IRA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:33:07 GMT
I'm done with this thread. It's like a recruitment campaign for the IRA. hahahaha oh my god, that's got to be one of the gimpiest most 'yer da' comments I have ever read on this forum
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 27, 2020 10:35:07 GMT
I'm done with this thread. It's like a recruitment campaign for the IRA. That’s a balanced response.
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Post by wrightspies on Mar 27, 2020 11:07:26 GMT
What a stupid comment. So you go and verbally abuse every player that you dislike do you? I've got better things to be doing at 12:30 on a match day. I try not to abuse full stop, either face to face or hiding behind a monitor. I'm a big believer in education. Go and learn about people and their past experiences and try and learn why they act the way they do. You come out of it the other side understanding why they act a certain way even if you don't agree with the viewpoint. I don't give a shit about his experiences. That post alone is totally wrong as are many other things he has done in the past!
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 27, 2020 11:52:43 GMT
I try not to abuse full stop, either face to face or hiding behind a monitor. I'm a big believer in education. Go and learn about people and their past experiences and try and learn why they act the way they do. You come out of it the other side understanding why they act a certain way even if you don't agree with the viewpoint. I don't give a shit about his experiences. That post alone is totally wrong as are many other things he has done in the past! How can it be wrong? it’s simply his worldview. My interpretation of the photo is to draw attention to the fact that there are different ways of looking at the world based on peoples different experiences, in a tongue in cheek way. I think if you are going to take the time to sit down with your kids and explain why everyone thinks you are a terrorist(which they do publicly and vocally every week) then this is quite a useful prop to use!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 27, 2020 12:13:33 GMT
The fact that people are actually sticking up for him over this idiotic post is baffling to me. Here is a bloke who is a complete hypocrite (hates the system but quite happy to take the money off that system), turns his back on our national anthem whilst playing for West Brom, quotes Bobby Sands on Twitter AND then sits down during the Rememberance minutes silence. How anyone can keep defending this fucking moron is beyond me. I can't wait for the day this poisonous arsehole leaves our club. Let us at least base our views on facts, not fake news. He did not turn his back on the national anthem. As an aside I've no idea why the UK national anthem was being played at all in club friendly in the USA. We don't even play it before club games in this country. WBA were not representing England or the UK, and of course had non-UK players. He was lined up facing the main stand with the other players. They then turned 90 degrees to face the stars and stripes during the anthems. He remained in the same position. He didn't turn his back on anything. He didn't turn at all. As another aside, I was at Wembley when I saw another very popular Stoke player refuse to stand for the national anthem in the corporate seats, despite other Stoke players trying to pull him to his feet, but of course that doesn't get reported to the media. There are of course different perspectives about Bobby Sands. But the key point is that if you quote someone it doesn't mean that you thereby agree with everything else they have said or done. I'd be in trouble if that were the case I was at the City Ground in November 2018 when McLean linked arms with all the other Stoke players during the pre-match minutes remembrance silence. It's wearing a poppy which he won't do, for reasons which he has articulately explained and which is exercising the freedom of choice we value so much in this country and which my father's generation fought in the war to preserve. I'm not sure what you mean by "hates the system". He's an Irish nationalist, as are many others. He hates some of the things which in the past the British Army has done in Ireland, including Bloody Sunday in his home City, for which the British Government have apologised. We are all the products of our backgrounds to some extent, and it's no surprise he holds the views he does on a united Ireland. But that doesn't mean he isn't entitled, either morally or legally, to earn a living in the UK or that he's hypocritical to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 12:16:37 GMT
I support James McClean's right to express himself any which way he so chooses.
I also maintain my right to review it as being not very bright, it's not smart, and it's just not funny. But it's no more than I expected from him.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 27, 2020 12:22:55 GMT
I don't get the fuss. I thought it was quite funny & clever. He's taking the pee out of the situation and the perception of him. I find it strange that people are so keen to be so easily offended. That's exactly how I took it. It's a piss take of the image he's got within football.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 27, 2020 12:49:30 GMT
The fact that people are actually sticking up for him over this idiotic post is baffling to me. Here is a bloke who is a complete hypocrite (hates the system but quite happy to take the money off that system), turns his back on our national anthem whilst playing for West Brom, quotes Bobby Sands on Twitter AND then sits down during the Rememberance minutes silence. How anyone can keep defending this fucking moron is beyond me. I can't wait for the day this poisonous arsehole leaves our club. Let us at least base our views on facts, not fake news. He did not turn his back on the national anthem. As an aside I've no idea why the UK national anthem was being played at all in club friendly in the USA. We don't even play it before club games in this country. WBA were not representing England or the UK, and of course had non-UK players. He was lined up facing the main stand with the other players. They then turned 90 degrees to face the stars and stripes during the anthems. He remained in the same position. He didn't turn his back on anything. He didn't turn at all. As another aside, I was at Wembley when I saw another very popular Stoke player refuse to stand for the national anthem in the corporate seats, despite other Stoke players trying to pull him to his feet, but of course that doesn't get reported to the media. There are of course different perspectives about Bobby Sands. But the key point is that if you quote someone it doesn't mean that you thereby agree with everything else they have said or done. I'd be in trouble if that were the case I was at the City Ground in November 2018 when McLean linked arms with all the other Stoke players during the pre-match minutes remembrance silence. It's wearing a poppy which he won't do, for reasons which he has articulately explained and which is exercising the freedom of choice we value so much in this country and which my father's generation fought in the war to preserve. I'm not sure what you mean by "hates the system". He's an Irish nationalist, as are many others. He hates some of the things which in the past the British Army has done in Ireland, including Bloody Sunday in his home City, for which the British Government have apologised. We are all the products of our backgrounds to some extent, and it's no surprise he holds the views he does on a united Ireland. But that doesn't mean he isn't entitled, either morally or legally, to earn a living in the UK or that he's hypocritical to do so. That's like saying I don't like Hitler but I'll still happily take a good quote of his. Doesn't wash with me. We are all entitled to our opinion on the matter, I'll crack open a bottle of champagne when he does go.
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