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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 29, 2020 18:02:00 GMT
Not sure myself if his signature on loan was needed, and his performances haven't exactly been great. Seems a bit of a unnecessary signing when we all knew the left back situation was much more serious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:03:18 GMT
Hindered for sure.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:06:50 GMT
Nowt wrong with his performance today and it was a dubious penalty at best.
We were comfortable today despite having a keeper who couldn't do a thing right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:10:26 GMT
No need for the signing. Said it at the time. He can't play properly in a back four and never has done.
The fact that this signing alongside FFP has restricted us to BMI at left back, aswell as stopping the progress of our best prospect just hurls more into the guts.
Dreadful business for me. Utterly dreadful.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:13:42 GMT
No need for the signing. Said it at the time. He can't play properly in a back four and never has done. The fact that this signing alongside FFP has restricted us to BMI at left back, aswell as stopping the progress of our best prospect just hurls more into the guts. Dreadful business for me. Utterly dreadful. I don't think his signing prevented us from signing anyone. We got rid of CCV and replaced him with Chester adding experience to the back line. The inability to shift bruno led to us being unable to sign a left back.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 29, 2020 18:17:34 GMT
Not sure myself if his signature on loan was needed, and his performances haven't exactly been great. Seems a bit of a unnecessary signing when we all knew the left back situation was much more serious. Christ - Unnecessary!! Have you seen our defence. He was worth a risk given that we arguably don't have a single viable defender/GK in the squad good enough to play at this level. We are in a catastrophic state defensively in terms of strength and depth, so we can't say that somebody of his stature was an unnecessary signing. Yes he has not played for yonks and he looks a tad overweight and not match fit, but let us hope he starts to improve and gets up-to-speed in the next few weeks - our only other options are rank mediocrity or a teenager Agree with the L/B situation, but the whole lack of investment defensive wise in the last 10 windows is just beyond fecking bizarre and the reason we coud be heading for tier 3 again
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:21:14 GMT
That judgement can only be made at the end of the season surely🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:21:35 GMT
Not sure myself if his signature on loan was needed, and his performances haven't exactly been great. Seems a bit of a unnecessary signing when we all knew the left back situation was much more serious. Christ - Unnecessary!! Have you seen our defence. He was worth a risk given that we arguably don't have a single viable defender/GK in the squad good enough to play at this level. We are in a catastrophic state defensively in terms of strength and depth, so we can't say that somebody of his stature was an unnecessary signing. Yes he has not played for yonks and he looks a tad overweight and not match fit, but let us hope he starts to improve and gets up-to-speed in the next few weeks - our only other options are rank mediocrity or a teenager Agree with the L/B situation, but the whole lack of investment defensive wise in the last 10 windows is just beyond fecking bizarre and the reason we coud be heading for tier 3 again I’d go with unnecessary yeah. Play Collins. Job done.
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Post by march4 on Feb 29, 2020 18:24:07 GMT
Hindered us.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 29, 2020 18:30:28 GMT
I actually think Collins is a better all round player.
Additionally if signing Chester prevented us signing a LB well it just doubles down on the error for me
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Post by stokemark on Feb 29, 2020 18:31:51 GMT
He is too short - and that stupid tackle cost us 2 points today
Poor signing
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 29, 2020 18:34:20 GMT
I do worry that he came to Stoke with a guarantee of starting. I remember reading/hearing a comment from MON along the lines of "he wants to play and that's why he came". I remember thinking at the time no player should be guaranteed a start.
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 29, 2020 18:48:27 GMT
Hinder
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Post by harlequin on Feb 29, 2020 18:53:15 GMT
Having options doesn't hinder us. It's question of whether selecting that option over another is correct.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:54:43 GMT
Having options doesn't hinder us. It's question of whether selecting that option over another is correct. Again I disagree. We’ve had countless managers who when they have options fuck it up from the most obvious one because they haven’t signed them or bullshit like that. TP was always best with little money and less options. He was always liable to make a mistake when a decision was to be made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:56:47 GMT
I think he's been poor in most games. He's certainly not matching my expectations of him. He's not commanding, he's not particularly good on the ball and he panics.He's no better than Lindsay
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 29, 2020 19:04:07 GMT
I think he's been poor in most games. He's certainly not matching my expectations of him. He's not commanding, he's not particularly good on the ball and he panics.He's no better than Lindsay Why do I always get the feeling that these aren't even the managers signings, but yes as stated before he gives them the O.K.? Were we not in for him before? And now he just seems crap. Scouted 25 times and all that even though he hasn't been playing and is so unfit and immobile..... This club, honestly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 19:05:27 GMT
A left back was a necessity as BMI could have slotted in at CB. Collins did not deserve to be dropped today. That challenge was something you would see in a school yard! Actually you wouldnt as school kids would not have been so stupid
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 29, 2020 19:15:00 GMT
You would think that a player with his experience would have known better than to make a challenge like that in his own box in injury time but that's exactly what he did.If that had been Lindsay he would have been castrated on here.
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Post by harlequin on Feb 29, 2020 19:20:59 GMT
Having options doesn't hinder us. It's question of whether selecting that option over another is correct. Again I disagree. We’ve had countless managers who when they have options fuck it up from the most obvious one because they haven’t signed them or bullshit like that. TP was always best with little money and less options. He was always liable to make a mistake when a decision was to be made. Surely that's a problem with the limitations of the manager.
You have to assume competency by the manager whose very responsibility it is to create the best team from the options available.
More options = More escape routes, more replacements, more tactical counters.
If more options limit the manager then that manager is incompetent, in my opinion.
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 29, 2020 19:21:33 GMT
On the fence, I’d say hindered but you can see he is quality.
Providing we stay up Collins and Lindsay is what I’d have next season with Harry Souttar as back up, and of course not forgetting Ryan
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Post by boweryboy on Feb 29, 2020 19:37:47 GMT
Put Collins back in,and put Chester at left, Christ anybody has got to be better than Bruno !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 20:00:57 GMT
I do worry that he came to Stoke with a guarantee of starting. I remember reading/hearing a comment from MON along the lines of "he wants to play and that's why he came". I remember thinking at the time no player should be guaranteed a start. He's already been dropped/rested once, so no guarantees were given, just a bit of motivational manager talk. If he keeps making mistakes, it will be harder to neglect Collins who has already shown he can hold his own under pressure. Unlike Chester apparently.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Feb 29, 2020 20:41:59 GMT
Cant fathom why Chester is straight back in after Collins performed so well the other night. Daft.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 20:47:30 GMT
Cant fathom why Chester is straight back in after Collins performed so well the other night. Daft. It's quite simple, O'Neill went for experience.....shame his only experience seems to be at making errors
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 29, 2020 20:48:27 GMT
Not sure myself if his signature on loan was needed, and his performances haven't exactly been great. Seems a bit of a unnecessary signing when we all knew the left back situation was much more serious. Christ - Unnecessary!! Have you seen our defence. He was worth a risk given that we arguably don't have a single viable defender/GK in the squad good enough to play at this level. We are in a catastrophic state defensively in terms of strength and depth, so we can't say that somebody of his stature was an unnecessary signing. Yes he has not played for yonks and he looks a tad overweight and not match fit, but let us hope he starts to improve and gets up-to-speed in the next few weeks - our only other options are rank mediocrity or a teenager Agree with the L/B situation, but the whole lack of investment defensive wise in the last 10 windows is just beyond fecking bizarre and the reason we coud be heading for tier 3 again Just what we needed in the position we are in an un fit overweight CB who needs time , no wonder we are so shit stupid another wasted signing, BMI is a CB who could cover we needed a LB, BMI not leaving is a bollocks excuse, piss poor management again.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 29, 2020 20:50:41 GMT
Put Collins back in,and put Chester at left, Christ anybody has got to be better than Bruno !!! This is all down to the failure to sign a LB in the summer and again in January , BMI is not a FB simple never has been never will be, if the manager can not see that well you know the answer.
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Post by robstokie on Feb 29, 2020 20:53:46 GMT
I thought he would have been a great signing for us, but he has cost us at least 3 points - 1 (at least) against Preston when he tried to be clever at 0-0 and they scored off it, changing the game, and 2 today chucking himself in with a silly challenge, he hasnt exactly convinced away from that either, he makes us look nervy behind the ball. These are the margins that could be vital at the end of the season, and quite frankly, we are out of time to blood him in - its shit or bust, and this season, more than most, we are going to need all the points we can get. How often can we be outside the relegation zone at new year, pick up 18 points in the following 11 games, yet, if Middlesborough win Monday night, we are back in the bottom 3?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 29, 2020 21:27:13 GMT
I thought he would have been a great signing for us, but he has cost us at least 3 points - 1 (at least) against Preston when he tried to be clever at 0-0 and they scored off it, changing the game, and 2 today chucking himself in with a silly challenge, he hasnt exactly convinced away from that either, he makes us look nervy behind the ball. These are the margins that could be vital at the end of the season, and quite frankly, we are out of time to blood him in - its shit or bust, and this season, more than most, we are going to need all the points we can get. How often can we be outside the relegation zone at new year, pick up 18 points in the following 11 games, yet, if Middlesborough win Monday night, we are back in the bottom 3? Wrong signing, wrong player, wrong position why sign another CB when we are light in other areas especially LB, made no sense at the time and even less when you consider just how poor he is, how is he a better option than Collins FFS only a fool would have taken Collins out of the team after Wednesday, he has cost us two vital points today this result is down to MON and him alone.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 29, 2020 22:58:37 GMT
Christ - Unnecessary!! Have you seen our defence. He was worth a risk given that we arguably don't have a single viable defender/GK in the squad good enough to play at this level. We are in a catastrophic state defensively in terms of strength and depth, so we can't say that somebody of his stature was an unnecessary signing. Yes he has not played for yonks and he looks a tad overweight and not match fit, but let us hope he starts to improve and gets up-to-speed in the next few weeks - our only other options are rank mediocrity or a teenager Agree with the L/B situation, but the whole lack of investment defensive wise in the last 10 windows is just beyond fecking bizarre and the reason we coud be heading for tier 3 again Just what we needed in the position we are in an un fit overweight CB who needs time , no wonder we are so shit stupid another wasted signing, BMI is a CB who could cover we needed a LB, BMI not leaving is a bollocks excuse, piss poor management again. He has been a flop and and a disappointment and I am sure even our backroom boys who do mega amounts of research, apparently, were surprised at just how out of touch he is. No a half fit Chester was not what we needed and it is an absolute toss situation to be in, but In my opinion a half fit Chester is a little better than the options we have. A fully fit Chester is miles better than anything we have - we wouldn't have got him had he been fully fit and on top of his game though. Bruno would be a bigger disaster in the centre of defence and who would play at LB. Absolute toss management from top to bottom again and the problem is - is that it wont change pre-season. That said - If we do manage to stay up then Chester maybe an asset next season should he manage to avoid injury This season we either persist with Chester or as stated go with rank mediocrity or a teenager - that said would be nice if our captain made an appearance, but he will be in the same position as Chester - as in needing time to find his feet again. All is shite and yes - fecking desperate
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