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Overrated
Feb 28, 2020 17:37:19 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 28, 2020 17:37:19 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. I disagree. Opinions eh. That’s what makes football opinions if we all thought the same it would be boring eh
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Post by stokieoldboy on Feb 28, 2020 18:41:51 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Don’t think it has much to do with being lightweight, there’s plenty of smaller lightweight players about now,and in the last ten years, to many to name, in fact, most of the world class players, are of small build, its more a case of players around Joe,are not on the same wave length as him, and so, it makes his job, ten times fcukg harder, because there’s not enough movement around him, or in front of him.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 28, 2020 18:58:13 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Don’t think it has much to do with being lightweight, there’s plenty of smaller lightweight players about now,and in the last ten years, to many to name, in fact, most of the world class players, are of small build, its more a case of players around Joe,are not on the same wave length as him, and so, it makes his job, ten times fcukg harder, because there’s not enough movement around him, or in front of him. Whoa there someone basing a view on the facts, not on this site surely.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 28, 2020 19:06:41 GMT
Not really, we needed a proper DM and we got Allen, a player that didn't fit in anywhere, I'm not saying its all down to just his signing as we all know there was plenty of poor signings in the last couple of years that lead to relegation, but he wasn't needed in any way and is just another to add to the list. Given that he's meant to be a Prem quality player and we're paying him obscene amounts of money for this league do you really think his performances have warranted it? Which is a more nuanced arguement and one that - now we at last have a manager who seems to know how he does fit in - might best be resolved at the end of the season. However the view that had we signed a DM instead of Allen, all the while Berehino, Choupo-Moting, Jese, Wimmer, Imbula etc were stinking the place out under a manager who had clearly lost the plot followed by one given a hospital pass and clearly out of his depth - we would still be in the Prem is - imho- palpable nonsense. Fair enough, I'll rephrase, we'd have had a much better chance if we had a proper DM, even with the rest of the wasters. Re Allen having a place now, I don't think he does, he's no better than he was before, ineffective most games, still weak and easily loses the ball, I know its all about opinions but I really struggle to see in him what others seem to, but as you hint at he'll probably be off in the summer, fingers crossed we'll finally get a proper DM in.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 28, 2020 19:10:26 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Don’t think it has much to do with being lightweight, there’s plenty of smaller lightweight players about now,and in the last ten years, to many to name, in fact, most of the world class players, are of small build, its more a case of players around Joe, are not on the same wave length as him, and so, it makes his job, ten times fcukg harder, because there’s not enough movement around him, or in front of him. I waiting for this, its an argument you could use with a player such as Bojan, someone creative etc, its not one you can use on a bog standard all rounder like Allen.
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Overrated
Feb 28, 2020 20:03:23 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 28, 2020 20:03:23 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Don’t think it has much to do with being lightweight, there’s plenty of smaller lightweight players about now,and in the last ten years, to many to name, in fact, most of the world class players, are of small build, its more a case of players around Joe,are not on the same wave length as him, and so, it makes his job, ten times fcukg harder, because there’s not enough movement around him, or in front of him. Yes there is a lot of lightweight players out there but most of them have strength Allen gets muscled out too easily for me. Don’t get me wrong he does a lot of running about but most of the time that’s it. The best spell he had was that year he scored regular but am I right in saying he played in the number 10 role.
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Overrated
Feb 28, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 28, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
Which is a more nuanced arguement and one that - now we at last have a manager who seems to know how he does fit in - might best be resolved at the end of the season. However the view that had we signed a DM instead of Allen, all the while Berehino, Choupo-Moting, Jese, Wimmer, Imbula etc were stinking the place out under a manager who had clearly lost the plot followed by one given a hospital pass and clearly out of his depth - we would still be in the Prem is - imho- palpable nonsense. Fair enough, I'll rephrase, we'd have had a much better chance if we had a proper DM, even with the rest of the wasters. Re Allen having a place now, I don't think he does, he's no better than he was before, ineffective most games, still weak and easily loses the ball, I know its all about opinions but I really struggle to see in him what others seem to, but as you hint at he'll probably be off in the summer, fingers crossed we'll finally get a proper DM in. Bang on mate
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Overrated
Feb 28, 2020 21:41:33 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 28, 2020 21:41:33 GMT
Don’t think it has much to do with being lightweight, there’s plenty of smaller lightweight players about now,and in the last ten years, to many to name, in fact, most of the world class players, are of small build, its more a case of players around Joe,are not on the same wave length as him, and so, it makes his job, ten times fcukg harder, because there’s not enough movement around him, or in front of him. Yes there is a lot of lightweight players out there but most of them have strength Allen gets muscled out too easily for me. Don’t get me wrong he does a lot of running about but most of the time that’s it. The best spell he had was that year he scored regular but am I right in saying he played in the number 10 role. Which is a reasoned opinion to which you are entitled. However that description you have just given doesn't exactly chime with the statement with which you opened the post i.e. that he is the most overrated player to ever have played for Stoke (....in over 150 years).
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Overrated
Feb 28, 2020 22:07:42 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 28, 2020 22:07:42 GMT
Yes there is a lot of lightweight players out there but most of them have strength Allen gets muscled out too easily for me. Don’t get me wrong he does a lot of running about but most of the time that’s it. The best spell he had was that year he scored regular but am I right in saying he played in the number 10 role. Which is a reasoned opinion to which you are entitled. However that description you have just given doesn't exactly chime with the statement with which you opened the post i.e. that he is the most overrated player to ever have played for Stoke (....in over 150 years). Maybe I should have added (one of) as yes 150 odd years is a long time but in my years as supporting stoke since 1973 he’s up there for me.
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Overrated
Feb 28, 2020 22:21:33 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 28, 2020 22:21:33 GMT
Which is a reasoned opinion to which you are entitled. However that description you have just given doesn't exactly chime with the statement with which you opened the post i.e. that he is the most overrated player to ever have played for Stoke (....in over 150 years). Maybe I should have added (one of) as yes 150 odd years is a long time but in my years as supporting stoke since 1973 he’s up there for me. You still haven't said who's doing the overrating. As I said earlier there's a pretty substantial constituency on here queuing up to slag him off week in and week out - 'overrated' would suggest there is a fan club saying he should be the first name on the team sheet or he should be on his way back to Klopp's Liverpool and I'm not aware of anyone who's saying that. I get that you don't like him but in doing so you're not exactly bucking a trend.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 28, 2020 23:22:58 GMT
Which is a reasoned opinion to which you are entitled. However that description you have just given doesn't exactly chime with the statement with which you opened the post i.e. that he is the most overrated player to ever have played for Stoke (....in over 150 years). Maybe I should have added (one of) as yes 150 odd years is a long time but in my years as supporting stoke since 1973 he’s up there for me. Clearly a glory hunter, jumped on board once we won a trophy hey ...
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 28, 2020 23:44:05 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Don’t think it has much to do with being lightweight, there’s plenty of smaller lightweight players about now,and in the last ten years, to many to name, in fact, most of the world class players, are of small build, its more a case of players around Joe,are not on the same wave length as him, and so, it makes his job, ten times fcukg harder, because there’s not enough movement around him, or in front of him. Joe Allen has played alongside the likes of Arnie, Bojan, Shaq, the only constant I would agree with you on is that Joe was never on the same wave length as those players
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Post by stokieoldboy on Feb 29, 2020 0:30:16 GMT
He never got the dogs abuse,that he gets now, when we had those gifted players around him,which says it all, the players around him now, are not on the same wave length,i do agree though that sometimes he does run into trouble, but that is because the players around him, are not making the right decisions, or putting it bluntly, not getting in the right spaces, to receive the ball, and then he over compensates things, just give him a break, we would be in a worse situation without him.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 29, 2020 0:41:49 GMT
He never got the dogs abuse,that he gets now, when we had those gifted players around him,which says it all That better players were carrying him?
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Post by f1rew0rks on Feb 29, 2020 13:26:40 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. I thought this was supposed to be a stoke city fanzine page ..... wtf are you doing here? ?
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Overrated
Feb 29, 2020 14:29:34 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 29, 2020 14:29:34 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. I thought this was supposed to be a stoke city fanzine page ..... wtf are you doing here? ? It’s also a forum for opinions if you don’t like it don’t read it
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 29, 2020 17:02:43 GMT
I thought this was supposed to be a stoke city fanzine page ..... wtf are you doing here? ? It’s also a forum for opinions if you don’t like it don’t read it Absolutely. The op was stating an opinion to open a discussion on a fans forum. This place would be extremely boring if no one was expected 9r allowed anything other than fanzine type comments. If that's what someone wants then look at the SCFC website.
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 29, 2020 17:19:29 GMT
At least he fucking tries
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Post by f1rew0rks on Feb 29, 2020 17:21:17 GMT
It’s also a forum for opinions if you don’t like it don’t read it Absolutely. The op was stating an opinion to open a discussion on a fans forum. This place would be extremely boring if no one was expected 9r allowed anything other than fanzine type comments. If that's what someone wants then look at the SCFC website. his opinion to berate one of the only players to put a shift in each week??? And how the fuck does one not read it because you dont like it, when you have to read it to know??? Do I UN-READ it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 22:31:52 GMT
Absolutely. The op was stating an opinion to open a discussion on a fans forum. This place would be extremely boring if no one was expected 9r allowed anything other than fanzine type comments. If that's what someone wants then look at the SCFC website. his opinion to berate one of the only players to put a shift in each week??? And how the fuck does one not read it because you dont like it, when you have to read it to know??? Do I UN-READ it? Oh ace, one of the highest paid players in the league puts a shift in. Lucky us. Shame he can’t control a game of football like a good midfielder should be able to.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 29, 2020 23:35:12 GMT
Absolutely. The op was stating an opinion to open a discussion on a fans forum. This place would be extremely boring if no one was expected 9r allowed anything other than fanzine type comments. If that's what someone wants then look at the SCFC website. his opinion to berate one of the only players to put a shift in each week??? And how the fuck does one not read it because you dont like it, when you have to read it to know??? Do I UN-READ it? Lots of capitals and exclamation marks, I love it.. real fanzine style stuff.
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