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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 11:59:27 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 27, 2020 11:59:27 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation.
A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal.
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 12:04:28 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 27, 2020 12:04:28 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. I think the while of midfield played poor last night, not sure if they all had an off night or a combination of having a wide left problem to cover or Blackburn are actually a really decent team at home.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 27, 2020 12:16:27 GMT
Here we go again!!! 🙄
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 27, 2020 12:17:50 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. It's not just Joe Allen. Quite a few of our players have big reputations that bely their actual ability. Clucas was a bit better last night, but he's the invisible man personified. We have a few of that ilk. The only footballers on show in Black last night were Collins, Powell and Campbell, the latter 2 of which didn't play particularly well.
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2020 12:19:14 GMT
I think he has been consistently our best player. Not every week but overall and on balance.
Other players have had good games and have ability, Ince, Powell, Tyrese for example, but they haven't delivered enough for long enough to challenge for the mantle and have a tendency to go walkabout.
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Post by werrington on Feb 27, 2020 12:19:50 GMT
I’ve never been a fan of joe Allen but jeez we’d be fucked without him currently
He’s been excellent since O’Neill arrived
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Post by abcd1234 on Feb 27, 2020 12:20:35 GMT
He's getting picked because he's our best player 😕
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Post by thequietman on Feb 27, 2020 12:21:07 GMT
Not saying he's the same player at all but he's a bit of a Whelan. You wonder exactly what he does but we look much worse without him.
In the past he's run around like a headless chicken, leaving big holes in our midfield that teams just strolled through. I wonder how much of that was a lack of confidence that his fellow midfielders could do a job or would put the graft in, so he felt like he had to do it all himself.
He might still run around a lot, but it seems more organised all around him now & those yawning gaps are far less evident. Perhaps he has more faith in his current teammates, perhaps the coaches have pointed out the gaps he was leaving behind him.
He's no Nzonzi but he'll do for me in our current situation.
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Post by werrington on Feb 27, 2020 12:21:20 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. It's not just Joe Allen. Quite a few of our players have big reputations that bely their actual ability. Clucas was a bit better last night, but he's the invisible man personified. We have a few of that ilk. The only footballers on show in Black last night were Collins, Powell and Campbell, the latter 2 of which didn't play particularly well. Clucas had a good game last night and was the drive to try and take us forward Trouble was he had no options
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 27, 2020 12:27:49 GMT
It's not just Joe Allen. Quite a few of our players have big reputations that bely their actual ability. Clucas was a bit better last night, but he's the invisible man personified. We have a few of that ilk. The only footballers on show in Black last night were Collins, Powell and Campbell, the latter 2 of which didn't play particularly well. Clucas had a good game last night and was the drive to try and take us forward Trouble was he had no options Exactly, Ty was the only outlet and he didn't invite to enough runs in the channels. Gregory did this better, but he really seemed unable to control the ball!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 27, 2020 12:30:57 GMT
I thought we were totally bullied in midfield last night.
We really need a destroyer in there, a Ben Pearson type, although he is also overrated
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 12:38:37 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 27, 2020 12:38:37 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. I think the while of midfield played poor last night, not sure if they all had an off night or a combination of having a wide left problem to cover or Blackburn are actually a really decent team at home. That’s also what I’m saying the midfield is the problem not the defence. Clucas was our best midfielder lastnite. People saying we had a off night but that’s happening away from home more often than not. Personally I was disappointed in Blackburn
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 12:39:04 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 27, 2020 12:39:04 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 27, 2020 12:41:23 GMT
Joe, much like Whelan, is like the sideboard you walk past every day. It's only when it's gone you discover that all your junk is scattered all over the place because you no longer have a junk drawer. Also, you can't find your best cravat because they're no longer in the bottom drawer. I like Joe. He's very useful even though he needs a good polish every now and then.
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 12:42:33 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 27, 2020 12:42:33 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. It's not just Joe Allen. Quite a few of our players have big reputations that bely their actual ability. Clucas was a bit better last night, but he's the invisible man personified. We have a few of that ilk. The only footballers on show in Black last night were Collins, Powell and Campbell, the latter 2 of which didn't play particularly well. No it’s not just joe Allen but for me is the worst in the midfield regular maybe with the exception of once who I thought did ok defensively lastnite Agree re Collins best player
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 12:50:05 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 27, 2020 12:50:05 GMT
It's not just Joe Allen. Quite a few of our players have big reputations that bely their actual ability. Clucas was a bit better last night, but he's the invisible man personified. We have a few of that ilk. The only footballers on show in Black last night were Collins, Powell and Campbell, the latter 2 of which didn't play particularly well. Clucas had a good game last night and was the drive to try and take us forward Trouble was he had no options Agree we have no options at the minute but when we have options next season people will see he’s overrated
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 27, 2020 12:56:51 GMT
The Whelan comparison is a bit strange because Whelan was doing a job effectively for years that was unglamorous and misunderstood while Allen had before MON neglected large parts of his job. His role is all action midfielder, which is more 'showier' and you very much do notice when he's playing well or badly.
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 14:40:03 GMT
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2020 14:40:03 GMT
The Whelan comparison is a bit strange because Whelan was doing a job effectively for years that was unglamorous and misunderstood while Allen had before MON neglected large parts of his job. His role is all action midfielder, which is more 'showier' and you very much do notice when he's playing well or badly. That's fair. Whelan was kind of invisible but you sure missed him when he wasn't there, I think that's a big compliment even if 'invisible' doesn't sound like one!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2020 14:51:49 GMT
It's not just Joe Allen. Quite a few of our players have big reputations that bely their actual ability. Clucas was a bit better last night, but he's the invisible man personified. We have a few of that ilk. The only footballers on show in Black last night were Collins, Powell and Campbell, the latter 2 of which didn't play particularly well. No it’s not just joe Allen but for me is the worst in the midfield regular maybe with the exception of once who I thought did ok defensively lastnite Agree re Collins best player Collins was our MOM last night, makes you wonder why we neglected signing a combative MF or LB to sign an unfit CB, CB the one position we are not short of options it's madness.
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Post by chad on Feb 27, 2020 14:54:40 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Behave
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 27, 2020 14:55:12 GMT
To be fair to Joe I think he did ok at closing down and getting goalside. He does seem to have a knack of giving away poor free kicks in dangerous places. One of those resulted in him getting hurt but credit to him he stayed on despite needing treatment at the time and again a few minutes later. My impression was that for the last half hour he was doing a decent job of pushing himself through the pain barrier for the cause.
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 15:07:55 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 27, 2020 15:07:55 GMT
I’ve never been a fan of joe Allen but jeez we’d be fucked without him currently He’s been excellent since O’Neill arrived I totally agree I have massively critical of him, but when he went down injured last night .... I thought.... Oh Shit!!!!!. Last night he was pretty anonymous but I think of players who could manage to do much worse jobs. I still felt he battled to keep us in the game.
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 27, 2020 15:19:03 GMT
His form has improved no end since O’ Neill’s arrival, last night wasn’t a good one for him but lets cut him some slack...also he’s stayed loyal to us when lets face it he could’ve jumped ship when we were relegated, he plays for us n while i get he’s poor sometimes his commitments always there and maybe we should appreciate that a bit more. He’ll never be my favourite player but i’ll always support him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2020 15:39:40 GMT
His form has improved no end since O Neill’s arrival, last night wasn’t a good one for him but lets cut him some slack...also he’s stayed loyal to us when lets face it he could’ve jumped ship when we were relegated, he plays for us n while i get he’s poor sometimes his commitments always there and maybe we should appreciate that a bit more. He’ll never be my favourite player but i’ll always support him. He's become inconsistent at best. Which for a bloke who is supposedly too good for this league and is one of the highest paid players in this league, isn't good enough. This magical transformation hasn't really happened imo. He's got better for sure but how many games can he control? His discipline has got better but we still miss a proper DM in there.
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 15:48:36 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 27, 2020 15:48:36 GMT
His form has improved no end since O Neill’s arrival, last night wasn’t a good one for him but lets cut him some slack...also he’s stayed loyal to us when lets face it he could’ve jumped ship when we were relegated, he plays for us n while i get he’s poor sometimes his commitments always there and maybe we should appreciate that a bit more. He’ll never be my favourite player but i’ll always support him. He's become inconsistent at best. Which for a bloke who is supposedly too good for this league and is one of the highest paid players in this league, isn't good enough. This magical transformation hasn't really happened imo. He's got better for sure but how many games can he control? His discipline has got better but we still miss a proper DM in there. Thats pretty much what i said bayern you’ve just worded it a little differently except the improving bit, i obviously think he’s improved a bit more than you do but im not shocked by that😂👍🏻
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Post by georgieboy52 on Feb 27, 2020 15:54:44 GMT
Joe Allen must be the most overrated player to ever play for scfc. Watched the game lastnite and he offered nothing again He must be getting picked on reputation. A lot of supporters say our defence is the problem but I think it’s the centre midfield we are so lightweight it’s unreal. Tippy-tappy Joe Allen is worth about ten quid.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Feb 27, 2020 15:58:20 GMT
I question if you’re even watching the games if you have complaints about Clucas. He’s been our best player since MON took over and it’s not even close.
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 16:01:54 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 27, 2020 16:01:54 GMT
The Whelan comparison is a bit strange because Whelan was doing a job effectively for years that was unglamorous and misunderstood while Allen had before MON neglected large parts of his job. His role is all action midfielder, which is more 'showier' and you very much do notice when he's playing well or badly. In his last season Whelan was terrible so yeah.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 27, 2020 16:47:13 GMT
The Whelan comparison is a bit strange because Whelan was doing a job effectively for years that was unglamorous and misunderstood while Allen had before MON neglected large parts of his job. His role is all action midfielder, which is more 'showier' and you very much do notice when he's playing well or badly. In his last season Whelan was terrible so yeah. Did I really need to clarify that I was talking about Whelan during his good years?
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Overrated
Feb 27, 2020 18:15:51 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 27, 2020 18:15:51 GMT
Are we conflating overrated with inconsistent. I’m sure there have been games this season he’s been good and potentially MOTM. He’s not been as good as he should but he’s far from awful. I suspect he’ll get a move to the premier league this summer which will be the best result for everyone.
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