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Post by Eggybread on Feb 27, 2020 10:28:22 GMT
A 22nd century one might be better Ive had enough if this one already.  I can sort you out mate. In this life and the next My misses is a spiritualist so Im ok on that front thanks.  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 27, 2020 12:07:29 GMT
If anyone is interested in a 21st century message board, I know a place A 22nd century one might be better Ive had enough if this one already. I won’t be here for the 22nd century that’s for sure. But hopefully it will be a time of scientific enlightenment and fulfilment ending all religious beliefs. That would take away one reason for killing each other. |
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 27, 2020 12:41:21 GMT
Sounds like you absolutely believe in transgender/ transvestites Sal but not quite enough to let them into your safe space of the women's bogs..... ....anyway this wasn't the point I was making in the OP. When is the correct time to introduce young children to transvestites? Surely this pioneering headteachers ears should have pricked at the name Flojob? What right has she to inflict her beliefs and views on the children in her care? It raises many legitimate questions simply because of the age of the children and the nature of this particular subject matter. The BBC radio article alluded to the social network comments made over the years by Flojob unfortunately none of them could be aired during a daytime programme aimed at adults because they were deemed fat too blue. If the pioneering headteacher is going to be perfectly honest she perhaps should have served up the actual Flojob performance instead of some sanitised PC version of a drag artist reading stories which has absolutely no bearing on the person or the act. The headteacher has said that had she had full knowledge of Flojob's internet history then Flojob would not have been invited onto the premises. Pioneering but absolutely lacking in common sense. How about letting them be kids and then from senior school onwards letting them get to know about the intricacies of the world they're going to live in with both sides of the argument. I have absolutely no problem with drag artists apart from Lily savage's metamorphasis into the dull Paul whatshisname  This suggests you think all people in the same position - primary teachers - should disclose all their private interests to be put to The Morality Police before being considered safe enough for public consumption. What about my ex who wanted me to dress up like a prison guard and do her up the chutney? Was that ex eebygum? |
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 27, 2020 12:43:32 GMT
This suggests you think all people in the same position - primary teachers - should disclose all their private interests to be put to The Morality Police before being considered safe enough for public consumption. What about my ex who wanted me to dress up like a prison guard and do her up the chutney? Was that ex eebygum?
No pal, it was a really naughty lass
Do you have any sisters?
How would anyone know if eebygum wanted it up the botty anyway? I couldn't understand a friggin' word (s)he said.
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Post by noustie on Feb 27, 2020 13:12:14 GMT
I disagree totally that drag queens are suitable for school children but accordingly Mhairi Black this makes me an intolerant homophobe and is pretty much the stock response any time this stuff is queried without offering any other explanation. Personally I am pretty close to ‘house’ on woke bingo given my: refugee wife; mixed race daughter (Asian wife/ I’m a big 800m fan); lesbian neighbours where my daughter goes their house to play with their nephew and; the lesbian neighbour’s daughter babysitiing for us once she hits 16. The trump card being we are currently trying to adopt and the couple we made friends with on the course/ during the process are a couple of lads (anyone with an issue with this needs there head looking at as a couple of loving fellas is much better than smack heads all day long) and they have recently been allocated a nipper so we are using their experiences for reference when our turn comes around. In terms of the drag queen being introduced to primary children though there are numerous issues I have with this:
Firstly, drag queens are sexualised and primary school kids are not and rather obviously shouldn’t be. Regardless of gender involved why is there a huge leap to drag queens representing the history of LGBT – it would be like getting a stripper in to tell stories during women’s emancipation lessons. In addition, Black by linking it to parents buying GTA (rated 18) is acknowledging the adult nature of drag so she torpedoes her own argument.
Secondly exactly which part of the LGBT is this fitting under? If it is the ‘G’ then the stories involve themes like two kings/ kids having two dads so are fairly basic introduction to G. The point is also allegedly to introduce positive role models so could easily be told by a gay teacher, parent; doctor; policeman etc rather than the massive jump to a drag act whose instragram involved foliating sex toys and wanting to be strangled like Iain Beale. If it is to fall under the ‘T’ then this is a gross misrepresentation of this category as it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria – men trapped in women’s bodies don’t go the post-office in full drag are they? Additionally how is it a positive role model to the girls where drag queens are based in misogyny and the reading list they utilise is 10/1 stories involving boys? I would also argue drag falls under the Q of the rainbow and should be nowhere fucking near primary school children as a consequence.
Third, the inclination seems to be this was agreed by school children via their council. My five year old has wanted to sleep in the fridge, shower in the washing machine and eat her dinner from the dog’s bowl but as the adult in the conversation politely pointed out why these ideas weren’t appropriate. I’m also pretty sure that any adult with a basic grasp of language could lead a primary school child to any decision they wanted so using this as a defence is more negative than positive for me.
Fourth, the obvious issue that Flow’s social media wasn’t reviewed in advance, or was ignored, points to massive failings in safeguarding and the question has to be raised why this is lapse for a drag queen visiting but the fella who comes to my daughter’s primary school to teach golf has to jump through huge hoops? Additionally when I’m told I can’t upload pictures of sports day to my Facebook even if I wanted to why has Flow not being given the same instruction especially as my social media doesn’t include pictures of me gagged/ in bondage on the same platform as kids doing a sack race?
Fifth, given that more appropriate members of the LBGT community could have been chosen to speak to primary children the question has to be raised for whose benefit was this for and an inquiry had. It certainly isn’t for the kids given the above and is more a political stunt/ teacher furthering their career. In addition, the case in Birmingham stated that parents weren’t informed of the story time because they feared for the drag queen’s safety thus illustrating the rights of the drag queen trumped the rights of parent/child which is completely and utterly unacceptable.
Sixth, pharmaceuticals involving puberty blockers are heavily funding the Lib Dems and there are massive pushes within the SNP and Labour around the trans issue where L has essentially been silenced. Referrals for gender dystopia have risen from 10 to 2500 plus 3000 on waiting lists within a decade. The major facility dealing with this on the NHS has seen mass resignations at a culture bullying consultants to diagnose gender dystopia and half of children under 16 who visit are proscribed puberty blockers from the get go. Again, there needs to be serious controls in place to keep this on the track of merely educating kids about homosexuality rather than trying to take advantage of primary school kids’s innocence . Given that GRA consultation paper in Scotland is considering reducing the age of transitioning to 12 and removing the need for parental consent, there needs to be more open discussion rather than closing it down by screaming ‘homophobe’. The drugs needed to transition a female to male completely ruin their body and consideration is being made to allow 12 years olds to make this decision via support from charities and solicitors.
Seventh, I am trying to teach my daughter to not speak to strangers. If you use the definition of strange being anything unusual or surprising; difficult to understand or explain. How does this then fit in with showing a five year old it is ok for, not only a stranger to tell them a story, but one dressed in a way completely alien to what they see day to day? Essentially it doesn’t and to a young undeveloped mind the risk here is that it is basically saying it is ok to have a story off of anybody – genius and what could possibly ever go wrong.
Eighth, the charity who devised this were involved in a huge child sex abuse scandal a decade ago – the stories are horrific. Parliament is involved in facilitating this organisation and only this week there are stories of historic sex abuse cover-ups which, even 2 years ago, the Lib Dems tried to whitewash and the fallout this week isn’t exactly massive with a lord basically retiring. Additionally the police are almost impotent given the case a couple of years ago where the Met got absolutely battered because their case against powerful individuals got thrown out – there is no way it got that far without serious evidence and the fallout smelled of a huge circling of the wagons. Given this, I want more safeguarding not less.
Nine, I know there will be people thinking that means I’m accusing all drag queens and/or gays of being paedophiles. Nope, although 33% of abuse victims are boys that doesn’t mean this is carried out by the 6% of the population who identify as homosexual. The issue is that 100% of victims are kids and c.99% are attacked by men so heterosexual/ homosexual is a complete irrelevance and a key issue is gaining access. What I would say is that anyone who thinks it is ok, even when invited, to dress up as a woman, be it Mrs Doubtfire to Mr Tumble’s Mum on hen-do (there are examples of both), to a room full of 5 year olds needs to be evaluated even more heavily than a bloke teaching them golf. On the one hand that is because I believe it inappropriate but on the other it is purely for the school’s own risk management – if something did happen it would set back LGBT teaching decades.
Ten: There is the example of a child in the States who saw drag queens and wanted to copy which his mum allowed. Now at 11, she has to call out child protection on umpteen occasions as her son is constantly being groomed. I can’t remember the name of the kid in question but is easily found on Google. As such, anyone who thinks this is innocent dressing up really needs to reconsider as this isn’t the same as dressing up as Elsa from Frozen at all.
Apart from that though seems a legitimately good idea.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 27, 2020 13:18:56 GMT
Women's safe spaces....you've just proved my point re what a pampered generation we are becoming. Do you believe in the need for men's safe spaces? You keep talking about scientific understanding etc but there is no such thing as grey areas where gender is concerned. Brainwashing children with this nonsense doesn't help either. The human population isn't developing a third sex, the fear of offending people who are trying to label themselves as something they simply aren't is trying to. The Loretta speech in the film 'Life of Brian' was a hilarious moment for it's absolute ridicule of Eric Idle's character in the film wanting to be something he simply wasn't, sadly that nonsense is now almost a blueprint for what some people are actually trying to achieve and be recognised as. They have become that character. It's pampered to have a place you're not likely to get raped? ffs. see you in the 18th century some time I'm sure Lilfraise will be along soon to correct you its not pampered to want this its transphobic Whilst your opinion is where most people are at generally, if you are not all in on toilets, swimming baths, prisons, womans refuges, sports than you are a TERF and should be burnt at the stake........ |
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Post by felonious on Feb 27, 2020 19:04:15 GMT
I disagree totally that drag queens are suitable for school children but accordingly Mhairi Black this makes me an intolerant homophobe and is pretty much the stock response any time this stuff is queried without offering any other explanation. Personally I am pretty close to ‘house’ on woke bingo given my: refugee wife; mixed race daughter (Asian wife/ I’m a big 800m fan); lesbian neighbours where my daughter goes their house to play with their nephew and; the lesbian neighbour’s daughter babysitiing for us once she hits 16. The trump card being we are currently trying to adopt and the couple we made friends with on the course/ during the process are a couple of lads (anyone with an issue with this needs there head looking at as a couple of loving fellas is much better than smack heads all day long) and they have recently been allocated a nipper so we are using their experiences for reference when our turn comes around. In terms of the drag queen being introduced to primary children though there are numerous issues I have with this: Firstly, drag queens are sexualised and primary school kids are not and rather obviously shouldn’t be. Regardless of gender involved why is there a huge leap to drag queens representing the history of LGBT – it would be like getting a stripper in to tell stories during women’s emancipation lessons. In addition, Black by linking it to parents buying GTA (rated 18) is acknowledging the adult nature of drag so she torpedoes her own argument. Secondly exactly which part of the LGBT is this fitting under? If it is the ‘G’ then the stories involve themes like two kings/ kids having two dads so are fairly basic introduction to G. The point is also allegedly to introduce positive role models so could easily be told by a gay teacher, parent; doctor; policeman etc rather than the massive jump to a drag act whose instragram involved foliating sex toys and wanting to be strangled like Iain Beale. If it is to fall under the ‘T’ then this is a gross misrepresentation of this category as it has nothing to do with gender dystopia – men trapped in women’s bodies don’t go the post-office in full drag are they? Additionally how is it a positive role model to the girls where drag queens are based in misogyny and the reading list they utilise is 10/1 stories involving boys? I would also argue drag falls under the Q of the rainbow and should be nowhere fucking near primary school children as a consequence. Third, the inclination seems to be this was agreed by school children via their council. My five year old has wanted to sleep in the fridge, shower in the washing machine and eat her dinner from the dog’s bowl but as the adult in the conversation politely pointed out why these ideas weren’t appropriate. I’m also pretty sure that any adult with a basic grasp of language could lead a primary school child to any decision they wanted so using this as a defence is more negative than positive for me. Fourth, the obvious issue that Flow’s social media wasn’t reviewed in advance, or was ignored, points to massive failings in safeguarding and the question has to be raised why this is lapse for a drag queen visiting but the fella who comes to my daughter’s primary school to teach golf has to jump through huge hoops? Additionally when I’m told I can’t upload pictures of sports day to my Facebook even if I wanted to why has Flow not being given the same instruction especially as my social media doesn’t include pictures of me gagged/ in bondage on the same platform as kids doing a sack race? Fifth, given that more appropriate members of the LBGT community could have been chosen to speak to primary children the question has to be raised for whose benefit was this for and an inquiry had. It certainly isn’t for the kids given the above and is more a political stunt/ teacher furthering their career. In addition, the case in Birmingham stated that parents weren’t informed of the story time because they feared for the drag queen’s safety thus illustrating the rights of the drag queen trumped the rights of parent/child which is completely and utterly unacceptable. Sixth, pharmaceuticals involving puberty blockers are heavily funding the Lib Dems and there are massive pushes within the SNP and Labour around the trans issue where L has essentially been silenced. Referrals for gender dystopia have risen from 10 to 2500 plus 3000 on waiting lists within a decade. The major facility dealing with this on the NHS has seen mass resignations at a culture bullying consultants to diagnose gender dystopia and half of children under 16 who visit are proscribed puberty blockers from the get go. Again, there needs to be serious controls in place to keep this on the track of merely educating kids about homosexuality rather than trying to take advantage of primary school kids’s innocence . Given that GRA consultation paper in Scotland is considering reducing the age of transitioning to 12 and removing the need for parental consent, there needs to be more open discussion rather than closing it down by screaming ‘homophobe’. The drugs needed to transition a female to male completely ruin their body and consideration is being made to allow 12 years olds to make this decision via support from charities and solicitors. Seventh, I am trying to teach my daughter to not speak to strangers. If you use the definition of strange being anything unusual or surprising; difficult to understand or explain. How does this then fit in with showing a five year old it is ok for, not only a stranger to tell them a story, but one dressed in a way completely alien to what they see day to day? Essentially it doesn’t and to a young undeveloped mind the risk here is that it is basically saying it is ok to have a story off of anybody – genius and what could possibly ever go wrong. Eighth, the charity who devised this were involved in a huge child sex abuse scandal a decade ago – the stories are horrific. Parliament is involved in facilitating this organisation and only this week there are stories of historic sex abuse cover-ups which, even 2 years ago, the Lib Dems tried to whitewash and the fallout this week isn’t exactly massive with a lord basically retiring. Additionally the police are almost impotent given the case a couple of years ago where the Met got absolutely battered because their case against powerful individuals got thrown out – there is no way it got that far without serious evidence and the fallout smelled of a huge circling of the wagons. Given this, I want more safeguarding not less. Nine, I know there will be people thinking that means I’m accusing all drag queens and/or gays of being paedophiles. Nope, although 33% of abuse victims are boys that doesn’t mean this is carried out by the 6% of the population who identify as homosexual. The issue is that 100% of victims are kids and c.99% are attacked by men so heterosexual/ homosexual is a complete irrelevance and a key issue is gaining access. What I would say is that anyone who thinks it is ok, even when invited, to dress up as a woman, be it Mrs Doubtfire to Mr Tumble’s Mum on hen-do (there are examples of both), to a room full of 5 year olds needs to be evaluated even more heavily than a bloke teaching them golf. On the one hand that is because I believe it inappropriate but on the other it is purely for the school’s own risk management – if something did happen it would set back LGBT teaching decades. Ten: There is the example of a child in the States who saw drag queens and wanted to copy which his mum allowed. Now at 11, she has to call out child protection on umpteen occasions as her son is constantly being groomed. I can’t remember the name of the kid in question but is easily found on Google. As such, anyone who thinks this is innocent dressing up really needs to reconsider as this isn’t the same as dressing up as Elsa from Frozen at all. Apart from that though seems a legitimately good idea. Somehow I don't think the BBC will put this under their "Long reads" but thank you sir  |
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 27, 2020 20:35:30 GMT
I disagree totally that drag queens are suitable for school children but accordingly Mhairi Black this makes me an intolerant homophobe and is pretty much the stock response any time this stuff is queried without offering any other explanation. Personally I am pretty close to ‘house’ on woke bingo given my: refugee wife; mixed race daughter (Asian wife/ I’m a big 800m fan); lesbian neighbours where my daughter goes their house to play with their nephew and; the lesbian neighbour’s daughter babysitiing for us once she hits 16. The trump card being we are currently trying to adopt and the couple we made friends with on the course/ during the process are a couple of lads (anyone with an issue with this needs there head looking at as a couple of loving fellas is much better than smack heads all day long) and they have recently been allocated a nipper so we are using their experiences for reference when our turn comes around. In terms of the drag queen being introduced to primary children though there are numerous issues I have with this: Firstly, drag queens are sexualised and primary school kids are not and rather obviously shouldn’t be. Regardless of gender involved why is there a huge leap to drag queens representing the history of LGBT – it would be like getting a stripper in to tell stories during women’s emancipation lessons. In addition, Black by linking it to parents buying GTA (rated 18) is acknowledging the adult nature of drag so she torpedoes her own argument. Secondly exactly which part of the LGBT is this fitting under? If it is the ‘G’ then the stories involve themes like two kings/ kids having two dads so are fairly basic introduction to G. The point is also allegedly to introduce positive role models so could easily be told by a gay teacher, parent; doctor; policeman etc rather than the massive jump to a drag act whose instragram involved foliating sex toys and wanting to be strangled like Iain Beale. If it is to fall under the ‘T’ then this is a gross misrepresentation of this category as it has nothing to do with gender dystopia – men trapped in women’s bodies don’t go the post-office in full drag are they? Additionally how is it a positive role model to the girls where drag queens are based in misogyny and the reading list they utilise is 10/1 stories involving boys? I would also argue drag falls under the Q of the rainbow and should be nowhere fucking near primary school children as a consequence. Third, the inclination seems to be this was agreed by school children via their council. My five year old has wanted to sleep in the fridge, shower in the washing machine and eat her dinner from the dog’s bowl but as the adult in the conversation politely pointed out why these ideas weren’t appropriate. I’m also pretty sure that any adult with a basic grasp of language could lead a primary school child to any decision they wanted so using this as a defence is more negative than positive for me. Fourth, the obvious issue that Flow’s social media wasn’t reviewed in advance, or was ignored, points to massive failings in safeguarding and the question has to be raised why this is lapse for a drag queen visiting but the fella who comes to my daughter’s primary school to teach golf has to jump through huge hoops? Additionally when I’m told I can’t upload pictures of sports day to my Facebook even if I wanted to why has Flow not being given the same instruction especially as my social media doesn’t include pictures of me gagged/ in bondage on the same platform as kids doing a sack race? Fifth, given that more appropriate members of the LBGT community could have been chosen to speak to primary children the question has to be raised for whose benefit was this for and an inquiry had. It certainly isn’t for the kids given the above and is more a political stunt/ teacher furthering their career. In addition, the case in Birmingham stated that parents weren’t informed of the story time because they feared for the drag queen’s safety thus illustrating the rights of the drag queen trumped the rights of parent/child which is completely and utterly unacceptable. Sixth, pharmaceuticals involving puberty blockers are heavily funding the Lib Dems and there are massive pushes within the SNP and Labour around the trans issue where L has essentially been silenced. Referrals for gender dystopia have risen from 10 to 2500 plus 3000 on waiting lists within a decade. The major facility dealing with this on the NHS has seen mass resignations at a culture bullying consultants to diagnose gender dystopia and half of children under 16 who visit are proscribed puberty blockers from the get go. Again, there needs to be serious controls in place to keep this on the track of merely educating kids about homosexuality rather than trying to take advantage of primary school kids’s innocence . Given that GRA consultation paper in Scotland is considering reducing the age of transitioning to 12 and removing the need for parental consent, there needs to be more open discussion rather than closing it down by screaming ‘homophobe’. The drugs needed to transition a female to male completely ruin their body and consideration is being made to allow 12 years olds to make this decision via support from charities and solicitors. Seventh, I am trying to teach my daughter to not speak to strangers. If you use the definition of strange being anything unusual or surprising; difficult to understand or explain. How does this then fit in with showing a five year old it is ok for, not only a stranger to tell them a story, but one dressed in a way completely alien to what they see day to day? Essentially it doesn’t and to a young undeveloped mind the risk here is that it is basically saying it is ok to have a story off of anybody – genius and what could possibly ever go wrong. Eighth, the charity who devised this were involved in a huge child sex abuse scandal a decade ago – the stories are horrific. Parliament is involved in facilitating this organisation and only this week there are stories of historic sex abuse cover-ups which, even 2 years ago, the Lib Dems tried to whitewash and the fallout this week isn’t exactly massive with a lord basically retiring. Additionally the police are almost impotent given the case a couple of years ago where the Met got absolutely battered because their case against powerful individuals got thrown out – there is no way it got that far without serious evidence and the fallout smelled of a huge circling of the wagons. Given this, I want more safeguarding not less. Nine, I know there will be people thinking that means I’m accusing all drag queens and/or gays of being paedophiles. Nope, although 33% of abuse victims are boys that doesn’t mean this is carried out by the 6% of the population who identify as homosexual. The issue is that 100% of victims are kids and c.99% are attacked by men so heterosexual/ homosexual is a complete irrelevance and a key issue is gaining access. What I would say is that anyone who thinks it is ok, even when invited, to dress up as a woman, be it Mrs Doubtfire to Mr Tumble’s Mum on hen-do (there are examples of both), to a room full of 5 year olds needs to be evaluated even more heavily than a bloke teaching them golf. On the one hand that is because I believe it inappropriate but on the other it is purely for the school’s own risk management – if something did happen it would set back LGBT teaching decades. Ten: There is the example of a child in the States who saw drag queens and wanted to copy which his mum allowed. Now at 11, she has to call out child protection on umpteen occasions as her son is constantly being groomed. I can’t remember the name of the kid in question but is easily found on Google. As such, anyone who thinks this is innocent dressing up really needs to reconsider as this isn’t the same as dressing up as Elsa from Frozen at all. Apart from that though seems a legitimately good idea. Somehow I don't think the BBC will put this under their "Long reads" but thank you sir One of the reasons being that gender dystopia doesn't exist |
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Post by noustie on Feb 27, 2020 20:49:15 GMT
Somehow I don't think the BBC will put this under their "Long reads" but thank you sir One of the reasons being that gender dystopia doesn't exist Autocorrected when typed it out on Word but corrected now thanks. Any comment on the content or is your omniscience used merely for spell checking? |
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 27, 2020 20:56:47 GMT
And 'foliating' sex toys The BBC have actually given quite a bit of time to this kind of debate. Chief TERF Graham Linehan made himself look very incoherent on newsnight a few weeks ago. |
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Post by heyzeus on Feb 27, 2020 21:00:25 GMT
Only pulling your plonker anyway mate. You seem like one of life's good un's |
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Post by noustie on Feb 27, 2020 21:03:12 GMT
And 'foliating' sex toys The BBC have actually given quite a bit of time to this kind of debate. Chief TERF Graham Linehan made himself look very incoherent on newsnight a few weeks ago. Aside from not being able to Google check how to spell a sex act on a dildo whilst at work anything on the content? I'm honestly mystified how anyone could think this was a good idea. I could see it for 16 year olds where I'd also chuck in presentations with reformed junkies, alcoholics, etc to give teenagers as much info as possible. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 27, 2020 21:04:17 GMT
I disagree totally that drag queens are suitable for school children but accordingly Mhairi Black this makes me an intolerant homophobe and is pretty much the stock response any time this stuff is queried without offering any other explanation. Personally I am pretty close to ‘house’ on woke bingo given my: refugee wife; mixed race daughter (Asian wife/ I’m a big 800m fan); lesbian neighbours where my daughter goes their house to play with their nephew and; the lesbian neighbour’s daughter babysitiing for us once she hits 16. The trump card being we are currently trying to adopt and the couple we made friends with on the course/ during the process are a couple of lads (anyone with an issue with this needs there head looking at as a couple of loving fellas is much better than smack heads all day long) and they have recently been allocated a nipper so we are using their experiences for reference when our turn comes around. In terms of the drag queen being introduced to primary children though there are numerous issues I have with this: Firstly, drag queens are sexualised and primary school kids are not and rather obviously shouldn’t be. Regardless of gender involved why is there a huge leap to drag queens representing the history of LGBT – it would be like getting a stripper in to tell stories during women’s emancipation lessons. In addition, Black by linking it to parents buying GTA (rated 18) is acknowledging the adult nature of drag so she torpedoes her own argument. Secondly exactly which part of the LGBT is this fitting under? If it is the ‘G’ then the stories involve themes like two kings/ kids having two dads so are fairly basic introduction to G. The point is also allegedly to introduce positive role models so could easily be told by a gay teacher, parent; doctor; policeman etc rather than the massive jump to a drag act whose instragram involved foliating sex toys and wanting to be strangled like Iain Beale. If it is to fall under the ‘T’ then this is a gross misrepresentation of this category as it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria – men trapped in women’s bodies don’t go the post-office in full drag are they? Additionally how is it a positive role model to the girls where drag queens are based in misogyny and the reading list they utilise is 10/1 stories involving boys? I would also argue drag falls under the Q of the rainbow and should be nowhere fucking near primary school children as a consequence. Third, the inclination seems to be this was agreed by school children via their council. My five year old has wanted to sleep in the fridge, shower in the washing machine and eat her dinner from the dog’s bowl but as the adult in the conversation politely pointed out why these ideas weren’t appropriate. I’m also pretty sure that any adult with a basic grasp of language could lead a primary school child to any decision they wanted so using this as a defence is more negative than positive for me. Fourth, the obvious issue that Flow’s social media wasn’t reviewed in advance, or was ignored, points to massive failings in safeguarding and the question has to be raised why this is lapse for a drag queen visiting but the fella who comes to my daughter’s primary school to teach golf has to jump through huge hoops? Additionally when I’m told I can’t upload pictures of sports day to my Facebook even if I wanted to why has Flow not being given the same instruction especially as my social media doesn’t include pictures of me gagged/ in bondage on the same platform as kids doing a sack race? Fifth, given that more appropriate members of the LBGT community could have been chosen to speak to primary children the question has to be raised for whose benefit was this for and an inquiry had. It certainly isn’t for the kids given the above and is more a political stunt/ teacher furthering their career. In addition, the case in Birmingham stated that parents weren’t informed of the story time because they feared for the drag queen’s safety thus illustrating the rights of the drag queen trumped the rights of parent/child which is completely and utterly unacceptable. Sixth, pharmaceuticals involving puberty blockers are heavily funding the Lib Dems and there are massive pushes within the SNP and Labour around the trans issue where L has essentially been silenced. Referrals for gender dystopia have risen from 10 to 2500 plus 3000 on waiting lists within a decade. The major facility dealing with this on the NHS has seen mass resignations at a culture bullying consultants to diagnose gender dystopia and half of children under 16 who visit are proscribed puberty blockers from the get go. Again, there needs to be serious controls in place to keep this on the track of merely educating kids about homosexuality rather than trying to take advantage of primary school kids’s innocence . Given that GRA consultation paper in Scotland is considering reducing the age of transitioning to 12 and removing the need for parental consent, there needs to be more open discussion rather than closing it down by screaming ‘homophobe’. The drugs needed to transition a female to male completely ruin their body and consideration is being made to allow 12 years olds to make this decision via support from charities and solicitors. Seventh, I am trying to teach my daughter to not speak to strangers. If you use the definition of strange being anything unusual or surprising; difficult to understand or explain. How does this then fit in with showing a five year old it is ok for, not only a stranger to tell them a story, but one dressed in a way completely alien to what they see day to day? Essentially it doesn’t and to a young undeveloped mind the risk here is that it is basically saying it is ok to have a story off of anybody – genius and what could possibly ever go wrong. Eighth, the charity who devised this were involved in a huge child sex abuse scandal a decade ago – the stories are horrific. Parliament is involved in facilitating this organisation and only this week there are stories of historic sex abuse cover-ups which, even 2 years ago, the Lib Dems tried to whitewash and the fallout this week isn’t exactly massive with a lord basically retiring. Additionally the police are almost impotent given the case a couple of years ago where the Met got absolutely battered because their case against powerful individuals got thrown out – there is no way it got that far without serious evidence and the fallout smelled of a huge circling of the wagons. Given this, I want more safeguarding not less. Nine, I know there will be people thinking that means I’m accusing all drag queens and/or gays of being paedophiles. Nope, although 33% of abuse victims are boys that doesn’t mean this is carried out by the 6% of the population who identify as homosexual. The issue is that 100% of victims are kids and c.99% are attacked by men so heterosexual/ homosexual is a complete irrelevance and a key issue is gaining access. What I would say is that anyone who thinks it is ok, even when invited, to dress up as a woman, be it Mrs Doubtfire to Mr Tumble’s Mum on hen-do (there are examples of both), to a room full of 5 year olds needs to be evaluated even more heavily than a bloke teaching them golf. On the one hand that is because I believe it inappropriate but on the other it is purely for the school’s own risk management – if something did happen it would set back LGBT teaching decades. Ten: There is the example of a child in the States who saw drag queens and wanted to copy which his mum allowed. Now at 11, she has to call out child protection on umpteen occasions as her son is constantly being groomed. I can’t remember the name of the kid in question but is easily found on Google. As such, anyone who thinks this is innocent dressing up really needs to reconsider as this isn’t the same as dressing up as Elsa from Frozen at all. Apart from that though seems a legitimately good idea. I disagree with most of what you say here fella but fuck a duck this is a value for money post and I enjoyed every word of it To be fair I've no idea what 800m has to do with anything, and I'm fairly sure you're not in danger of winning any kind of woke bingo But love this post. In fact it's posts like this that make this board great. Pay close attention everyone else. This lad has set a high bar |
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Post by noustie on Feb 27, 2020 21:16:24 GMT
I disagree totally that drag queens are suitable for school children but accordingly Mhairi Black this makes me an intolerant homophobe and is pretty much the stock response any time this stuff is queried without offering any other explanation. Personally I am pretty close to ‘house’ on woke bingo given my: refugee wife; mixed race daughter (Asian wife/ I’m a big 800m fan); lesbian neighbours where my daughter goes their house to play with their nephew and; the lesbian neighbour’s daughter babysitiing for us once she hits 16. The trump card being we are currently trying to adopt and the couple we made friends with on the course/ during the process are a couple of lads (anyone with an issue with this needs there head looking at as a couple of loving fellas is much better than smack heads all day long) and they have recently been allocated a nipper so we are using their experiences for reference when our turn comes around. In terms of the drag queen being introduced to primary children though there are numerous issues I have with this: Firstly, drag queens are sexualised and primary school kids are not and rather obviously shouldn’t be. Regardless of gender involved why is there a huge leap to drag queens representing the history of LGBT – it would be like getting a stripper in to tell stories during women’s emancipation lessons. In addition, Black by linking it to parents buying GTA (rated 18) is acknowledging the adult nature of drag so she torpedoes her own argument. Secondly exactly which part of the LGBT is this fitting under? If it is the ‘G’ then the stories involve themes like two kings/ kids having two dads so are fairly basic introduction to G. The point is also allegedly to introduce positive role models so could easily be told by a gay teacher, parent; doctor; policeman etc rather than the massive jump to a drag act whose instragram involved foliating sex toys and wanting to be strangled like Iain Beale. If it is to fall under the ‘T’ then this is a gross misrepresentation of this category as it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria – men trapped in women’s bodies don’t go the post-office in full drag are they? Additionally how is it a positive role model to the girls where drag queens are based in misogyny and the reading list they utilise is 10/1 stories involving boys? I would also argue drag falls under the Q of the rainbow and should be nowhere fucking near primary school children as a consequence. Third, the inclination seems to be this was agreed by school children via their council. My five year old has wanted to sleep in the fridge, shower in the washing machine and eat her dinner from the dog’s bowl but as the adult in the conversation politely pointed out why these ideas weren’t appropriate. I’m also pretty sure that any adult with a basic grasp of language could lead a primary school child to any decision they wanted so using this as a defence is more negative than positive for me. Fourth, the obvious issue that Flow’s social media wasn’t reviewed in advance, or was ignored, points to massive failings in safeguarding and the question has to be raised why this is lapse for a drag queen visiting but the fella who comes to my daughter’s primary school to teach golf has to jump through huge hoops? Additionally when I’m told I can’t upload pictures of sports day to my Facebook even if I wanted to why has Flow not being given the same instruction especially as my social media doesn’t include pictures of me gagged/ in bondage on the same platform as kids doing a sack race? Fifth, given that more appropriate members of the LBGT community could have been chosen to speak to primary children the question has to be raised for whose benefit was this for and an inquiry had. It certainly isn’t for the kids given the above and is more a political stunt/ teacher furthering their career. In addition, the case in Birmingham stated that parents weren’t informed of the story time because they feared for the drag queen’s safety thus illustrating the rights of the drag queen trumped the rights of parent/child which is completely and utterly unacceptable. Sixth, pharmaceuticals involving puberty blockers are heavily funding the Lib Dems and there are massive pushes within the SNP and Labour around the trans issue where L has essentially been silenced. Referrals for gender dystopia have risen from 10 to 2500 plus 3000 on waiting lists within a decade. The major facility dealing with this on the NHS has seen mass resignations at a culture bullying consultants to diagnose gender dystopia and half of children under 16 who visit are proscribed puberty blockers from the get go. Again, there needs to be serious controls in place to keep this on the track of merely educating kids about homosexuality rather than trying to take advantage of primary school kids’s innocence . Given that GRA consultation paper in Scotland is considering reducing the age of transitioning to 12 and removing the need for parental consent, there needs to be more open discussion rather than closing it down by screaming ‘homophobe’. The drugs needed to transition a female to male completely ruin their body and consideration is being made to allow 12 years olds to make this decision via support from charities and solicitors. Seventh, I am trying to teach my daughter to not speak to strangers. If you use the definition of strange being anything unusual or surprising; difficult to understand or explain. How does this then fit in with showing a five year old it is ok for, not only a stranger to tell them a story, but one dressed in a way completely alien to what they see day to day? Essentially it doesn’t and to a young undeveloped mind the risk here is that it is basically saying it is ok to have a story off of anybody – genius and what could possibly ever go wrong. Eighth, the charity who devised this were involved in a huge child sex abuse scandal a decade ago – the stories are horrific. Parliament is involved in facilitating this organisation and only this week there are stories of historic sex abuse cover-ups which, even 2 years ago, the Lib Dems tried to whitewash and the fallout this week isn’t exactly massive with a lord basically retiring. Additionally the police are almost impotent given the case a couple of years ago where the Met got absolutely battered because their case against powerful individuals got thrown out – there is no way it got that far without serious evidence and the fallout smelled of a huge circling of the wagons. Given this, I want more safeguarding not less. Nine, I know there will be people thinking that means I’m accusing all drag queens and/or gays of being paedophiles. Nope, although 33% of abuse victims are boys that doesn’t mean this is carried out by the 6% of the population who identify as homosexual. The issue is that 100% of victims are kids and c.99% are attacked by men so heterosexual/ homosexual is a complete irrelevance and a key issue is gaining access. What I would say is that anyone who thinks it is ok, even when invited, to dress up as a woman, be it Mrs Doubtfire to Mr Tumble’s Mum on hen-do (there are examples of both), to a room full of 5 year olds needs to be evaluated even more heavily than a bloke teaching them golf. On the one hand that is because I believe it inappropriate but on the other it is purely for the school’s own risk management – if something did happen it would set back LGBT teaching decades. Ten: There is the example of a child in the States who saw drag queens and wanted to copy which his mum allowed. Now at 11, she has to call out child protection on umpteen occasions as her son is constantly being groomed. I can’t remember the name of the kid in question but is easily found on Google. As such, anyone who thinks this is innocent dressing up really needs to reconsider as this isn’t the same as dressing up as Elsa from Frozen at all. Apart from that though seems a legitimately good idea. I disagree with most of what you say here fella but fuck a duck this is a value for money post and I enjoyed every word of it To be fair I've no idea what 800m has to do with anything, and I'm fairly sure you're not in danger of winning any kind of woke bingo But love this post. In fact it's posts like this that make this board great. Pay close attention everyone else. This lad has set a high bar Mixed race was an attempt at humour. Black accused folk of intolerance who disagreed with drag queens going primary schools. I'm pretty sure from what I've given above proves I'm open minded and tolerant- christ I'm Scottish and some of my best friends are English. If you disagree interested around which points and why. |
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Post by algor on Feb 27, 2020 21:25:57 GMT
I disagree with most of what you say here fella but fuck a duck this is a value for money post and I enjoyed every word of it To be fair I've no idea what 800m has to do with anything, and I'm fairly sure you're not in danger of winning any kind of woke bingo But love this post. In fact it's posts like this that make this board great. Pay close attention everyone else. This lad has set a high bar Mixed race was an attempt at humour. Black accused folk of intolerance who disagreed with drag queens going primary schools. I'm pretty sure from what I've given above proves I'm open minded and tolerant- christ I'm Scottish and some of my best friends are English. If you disagree interested around which points and why. You are inviting the inane ramblings of a woke warrior there mate. In the words of Mark Twain, don't argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! |
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 28, 2020 9:54:59 GMT
Mixed race was an attempt at humour. Black accused folk of intolerance who disagreed with drag queens going primary schools. I'm pretty sure from what I've given above proves I'm open minded and tolerant- christ I'm Scottish and some of my best friends are English. If you disagree interested around which points and why. You are inviting the inane ramblings of a woke warrior there mate. In the words of Mark Twain, don't argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Being called an idiot by algae 🤣 |
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Post by Northy on Feb 28, 2020 17:22:13 GMT
This crap neefs to stop now, what the fook are all those adults doing letting this happen, she looks frightened
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 29, 2020 17:06:40 GMT
Sounds like you absolutely believe in transgender/ transvestites Sal but not quite enough to let them into your safe space of the women's bogs..... ....anyway this wasn't the point I was making in the OP. When is the correct time to introduce young children to transvestites? Surely this pioneering headteachers ears should have pricked at the name Flojob? What right has she to inflict her beliefs and views on the children in her care? It raises many legitimate questions simply because of the age of the children and the nature of this particular subject matter. The BBC radio article alluded to the social network comments made over the years by Flojob unfortunately none of them could be aired during a daytime programme aimed at adults because they were deemed fat too blue. If the pioneering headteacher is going to be perfectly honest she perhaps should have served up the actual Flojob performance instead of some sanitised PC version of a drag artist reading stories which has absolutely no bearing on the person or the act. The headteacher has said that had she had full knowledge of Flojob's internet history then Flojob would not have been invited onto the premises. Pioneering but absolutely lacking in common sense. How about letting them be kids and then from senior school onwards letting them get to know about the intricacies of the world they're going to live in with both sides of the argument. I have absolutely no problem with drag artists apart from Lily savage's metamorphasis into the dull Paul whatshisname This suggests you think all people in the same position - primary teachers - should disclose all their private interests to be put to The Morality Police before being considered safe enough for public consumption. What about my ex who wanted me to dress up like a prison guard and do her up the chutney? High time the Brown Wings thread made a return... fancy going first (so to speak)? |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 29, 2020 21:40:19 GMT
I can sort you out mate. In this life and the next My misses is a spiritualist so Im ok on that front thanks. I am not surprised she turned to drink she probably does it to numb the pain of listening to your inane bovine excrement. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 29, 2020 21:43:25 GMT
This suggests you think all people in the same position - primary teachers - should disclose all their private interests to be put to The Morality Police before being considered safe enough for public consumption. What about my ex who wanted me to dress up like a prison guard and do her up the chutney? High time the Brown Wings thread made a return... fancy going first (so to speak)? Which one of him are you asking Sal ? careful you could end up with gang bang if he brings his errrmmmmm friends with him  |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 1, 2020 7:44:21 GMT
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Post by noustie on Mar 1, 2020 12:25:10 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/81739645-a301-42fb-88f3-58fb0685bd60Found the attached quite disturbing. Normalizing it on the BBC is one thing but suggesting to kids they go outside the usual routes of treatment is deeply concerning. In the attached a girl is transitioning to a man and the binding is literally crushing her skeleton. In the episode she admits to anxiety, mental health issues and body image issues as her natural breasts were originally D cup prior to diagnosis. The only thing getting this kid through was the transition process and support from their girlfriend. With the mental health history, plus the pink hair, the doctor prescribe better fitting binders rather than thinking this is something we maybe need to reconsider with a psychological examination. There will obviously be those who think this is amazing and empowering but all I see is a scared confused child destroying their body for someone else's cause. Has anyone told Megan Rapinoe shes probably a bloke but just hasn't realised rather than a lesbian who struggles to carry a dress?
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Post by heyzeus on Mar 2, 2020 14:42:31 GMT
High time the Brown Wings thread made a return... fancy going first (so to speak)? Which one of him are you asking Sal ? careful you could end up with gang bang if he brings his errrmmmmm friends with him
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