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Post by jannerstokie on Mar 3, 2020 20:42:47 GMT
Tom Ince is a dancing horse. A dressage pony skipping along raising his hooves as he goes. A lightweight paper aeroplane of a player who hides behind the nearest opposition player when an out ball is needed. F*ck him off as soon as possible.
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Post by neddy on Mar 3, 2020 21:04:43 GMT
Tom Ince is a dancing horse. A dressage pony skipping along raising his hooves as he goes. A lightweight paper aeroplane of a player who hides behind the nearest opposition player when an out ball is needed. F*ck him off as soon as possible. The manager picks him....are you having a go at him?
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 3, 2020 21:27:41 GMT
Tom Ince is a dancing horse. A dressage pony skipping along raising his hooves as he goes. A lightweight paper aeroplane of a player who hides behind the nearest opposition player when an out ball is needed. F*ck him off as soon as possible.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 3, 2020 21:29:18 GMT
Tom Ince is a dancing horse. A dressage pony skipping along raising his hooves as he goes. A lightweight paper aeroplane of a player who hides behind the nearest opposition player when an out ball is needed. F*ck him off as soon as possible. Quality song.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 3, 2020 21:36:48 GMT
Tom Ince is a dancing horse. A dressage pony skipping along raising his hooves as he goes. A lightweight paper aeroplane of a player who hides behind the nearest opposition player when an out ball is needed. F*ck him off as soon as possible. The manager picks him....are you having a go at him? Yep.
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Post by neddy on Mar 3, 2020 21:43:12 GMT
The manager picks him....are you having a go at him? Yep. You clearly know better than him then....
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Post by pipegatepotter on Mar 3, 2020 21:51:10 GMT
You clearly know better than him then.... I don’t really give a fuck how he is in training? Every match, the most comment phrase on Radio Stoke must be ‘Ince back to Smith’?! The bloke has no bollerx and for a right winger to have no right foot so unable to take his full back on is unforgivable.
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Post by neddy on Mar 3, 2020 21:54:45 GMT
You clearly know better than him then.... I don’t really give a fuck how he is in training? Every match, the most comment phrase on Radio Stoke must be ‘Ince back to Smith’?! The bloke has no bollerx and for a right winger to have no right foot so unable to take his full back on is unforgivable. I don’t disagree but he is our player and the manager picks him and we are still in the mire....do you back the manager? What is the alternative?
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Post by pipegatepotter on Mar 3, 2020 22:02:23 GMT
I don’t really give a fuck how he is in training? Every match, the most comment phrase on Radio Stoke must be ‘Ince back to Smith’?! The bloke has no bollerx and for a right winger to have no right foot so unable to take his full back on is unforgivable. I don’t disagree but he is our player and the manager picks him and we are still in the mire....do you back the manager? What is the alternative? Of course I back the manager! He’s given us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation. Norman James would gave had us relegated by now, the useless cunt. I would be a better alternative to him, honestly. I thought Tyrese looked good there when he first came back in to the first team? Problem then is, who plays up top? Gregory can’t even put his boots on the correct feet, so that leaves another multi million pound waste of space, Vokes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 22:05:21 GMT
I find it quite strange that people say he's a 1 in 3 game player. Where his stats 2 goals 2 assists say he's a 1 in almost 8 game player.
We can't carry that level of performance from what is supposed to be our main creative player.
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Post by dudnostokie on Mar 3, 2020 22:06:00 GMT
I don’t disagree but he is our player and the manager picks him and we are still in the mire....do you back the manager? What is the alternative? Of course I back the manager! He’s given us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation. Norman James would gave had us relegated by now, the useless cunt. I would be a better alternative to him, honestly. I thought Tyrese looked good there when he first came back in to the first team? Problem then is, who plays up top? Gregory can’t even put his boots on the correct feet, so that leaves another multi million pound waste of space, Vokes? You can't base your opinion on something you hear on the radio though, you don't see any of the other work that he does. I agree that he hasn't had the best of seasons, but he's being used as a complete scapegoat by many on here and I'm starting to feel sorry for the lad. If he leaves at the end of the season then so be it, but get off the lad's back for once.
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Post by neddy on Mar 3, 2020 22:06:24 GMT
If you back the manager and he picks Ince then stick with it........who knows what happens at the end of the season?
The continual criticism gets us nowhere....and compared to some other wasters he’s a saint!
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Post by thehoof on Mar 3, 2020 22:49:34 GMT
You clearly know better than him then.... With regard to Ince, yep.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Mar 3, 2020 23:13:35 GMT
Of course I back the manager! He’s given us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation. Norman James would gave had us relegated by now, the useless cunt. I would be a better alternative to him, honestly. I thought Tyrese looked good there when he first came back in to the first team? Problem then is, who plays up top? Gregory can’t even put his boots on the correct feet, so that leaves another multi million pound waste of space, Vokes? You can't base your opinion on something you hear on the radio though, you don't see any of the other work that he does. I agree that he hasn't had the best of seasons, but he's being used as a complete scapegoat by many on here and I'm starting to feel sorry for the lad. If he leaves at the end of the season then so be it, but get off the lad's back for once. I’m not basing my opinion on what I hear on Radio Stoke though. I have seen what he brings to ‘the party’ over 18 months.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 4, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
It makes me laugh when people try and say that Ince is suffering from a crisis of confidence and to get off his back. In his last 104 league appearances he has scored 10 goals and has 9 assists. This is from a supposed “guaranteed goals” “Championship Royalty” player (phrases used by Posters on this board). Bearing in mind that he is always one of our attacking players ( not a CDM or defender of any type), do those sort of returns justify his place in the team? It really is hard to see what he adds- if we are to be thankful for his tracking back, actually pick another defensive midfielder, we are not losing anything in an attacking sense.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2020 10:59:29 GMT
He really is our only creative winger at the moment. I know he doesn't get to the line and is often selfish but getting on his back does not help his confidence which is obviously very low if you watch his body language. He is trying incredibly hard and I don't buy the 'he always gets there just too late to make a challenge' opinion. In recent weeks he has worked incredibly hard on that part of his game and made some important blocks and tackles. I felt sorry for him at Blackburn when he made that extremely poor pass. Moments earlier he had raced half the length of the pitch to put in a tackle on a bloke who was free on the left wing (can't remember where Smith was). Receiving the ball on the half way line almost immediately I'm sure he knew he hadn't recovered enough to go on a run, saw space on the right and had justification to expect someone to be running into it. Had it been Rooney at Derby with a full back/winger anticipating the pass we would all have been saying how well he spread the play.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 4, 2020 11:14:30 GMT
Lots of shades of opinion on the inconsistent Ince. Perhaps we should just describe him as Controversial.
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Post by tqstokie on Mar 4, 2020 11:37:25 GMT
I think he is consistent, consistently poor!
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Post by leader9 on Mar 4, 2020 11:55:30 GMT
Tom Ince was signed from Huudersfield to create and score goals. Its a pity that someone at the club did not quite spot that Ince had scored only 1 goal for Hudders all season,but somehow we thought it was a good idea to shell out 10 million squid. I do wonder if the Ince family has something on our manager because for the life of me I cannot understand why this woeful player is a permanent fixture in the team. This is a player that annually wins the SCFC hide and seek competition, it really is a gift how he always stands by his marker. Tom Ince is a man that has no bottle,fight or grit. He cannot beat his man, never crosses and always cuts inside. He cannot tackle, head a ball and only has one leg. I just pray that one day our manager will see sense.
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Post by lordb on Mar 4, 2020 12:05:16 GMT
I find it quite strange that people say he's a 1 in 3 game player. Where his stats 2 goals 2 assists say he's a 1 in almost 8 game player. We can't carry that level of performance from what is supposed to be our main creative player. He used to be a 1 in 3 player he's now 1 in 8 as you say & has been for over a year
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Post by Block 26 on Mar 4, 2020 12:06:54 GMT
I can’t say that I’ve seen him beat his man once since wearing a stoke shirt. It’s so frustrating to watch every time he gets the ball he cuts back or inside. Sick of saying the same thing game after game we’re carrying him!
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Post by lordb on Mar 4, 2020 12:08:43 GMT
He really is our only creative winger at the moment. I know he doesn't get to the line and is often selfish but getting on his back does not help his confidence which is obviously very low if you watch his body language. He is trying incredibly hard and I don't buy the 'he always gets there just too late to make a challenge' opinion. In recent weeks he has worked incredibly hard on that part of his game and made some important blocks and tackles. I felt sorry for him at Blackburn when he made that extremely poor pass. Moments earlier he had raced half the length of the pitch to put in a tackle on a bloke who was free on the left wing (can't remember where Smith was). Receiving the ball on the half way line almost immediately I'm sure he knew he hadn't recovered enough to go on a run, saw space on the right and had justification to expect someone to be running into it. Had it been Rooney at Derby with a full back/winger anticipating the pass we would all have been saying how well he spread the play. he 1billion% isn't a winger inside forward, however 5 up front went out of fashion in the 50's he does put the effort in & occasionally he plays well in the inside forward areas however he's also shown he's not up to playing central all our right backs must hate playing with him as he's never on show for the pass in wide areas - where they need him - he has to come out of the side
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2020 13:02:54 GMT
I know he's not a traditional winger and he's not my favourite player at all, but he is our only creative wide player until McLean is back. I don't class McLean as creative either, he's very determined but unlikely to do anything different. My point is that without Ince we have no one who can be creative from wide positions. Powell and Campbell can play there but when they do we are not as threatening through the middle which in my opinion is disastrous as they were beginning to form a great partnership. Apart from Ngoy who doesn't seem to be trusted we have no other options, Thompson was disastrous there. Therefore my point is, bad as he might be, we have to play him to keep a fullback occupied so what on earth is the benefit of getting on his back and having a go at him? Despite what some fans think getting angry with a player makes most perform worse rather than better so leave him alone.
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 4, 2020 13:46:01 GMT
There is a simple answer to the mystery of Mr Ince, if he has to play as we have no other options.
Play him left wing. Let him beat his man and cross it from the byline, left footed.
Play Powell on the right, so he can cross, right footed
Don't really understand this inverted winger nonsense, never have done - sure change it up during a game for a while (we don't even do it, ever, even for 10 mins), but put players in the right position to maximise opportunity.
Simple really.
(He is dogshit mind)
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Post by neddy on Mar 4, 2020 14:11:36 GMT
I know he's not a traditional winger and he's not my favourite player at all, but he is our only creative wide player until McLean is back. I don't class McLean as creative either, he's very determined but unlikely to do anything different. My point is that without Ince we have no one who can be creative from wide positions. Powell and Campbell can play there but when they do we are not as threatening through the middle which in my opinion is disastrous as they were beginning to form a great partnership. Apart from Ngoy who doesn't seem to be trusted we have no other options, Thompson was disastrous there. Therefore my point is, bad as he might be, we have to play him to keep a fullback occupied so what on earth is the benefit of getting on his back and having a go at him? Despite what some fans think getting angry with a player makes most perform worse rather than better so leave him alone. This exactly!
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Post by thehoof on Mar 4, 2020 15:04:18 GMT
I know he's not a traditional winger and he's not my favourite player at all, but he is our only creative wide player until McLean is back. I don't class McLean as creative either, he's very determined but unlikely to do anything different. My point is that without Ince we have no one who can be creative from wide positions. Powell and Campbell can play there but when they do we are not as threatening through the middle which in my opinion is disastrous as they were beginning to form a great partnership. Apart from Ngoy who doesn't seem to be trusted we have no other options, Thompson was disastrous there. Therefore my point is, bad as he might be, we have to play him to keep a fullback occupied so what on earth is the benefit of getting on his back and having a go at him? Despite what some fans think getting angry with a player makes most perform worse rather than better so leave him alone. This exactly! He doesn’t keep the fullback occupied though does he? Charlton’s fullback scored at Stoke ( their left back), Derby’s left back created the first goal in our 4-0 thrashing( with Thomas nowhere to be seen). As bad as Gregory is, he has more goals and the same assists as Ince, can win headers and runs about just as much. Play him instead.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2020 15:22:16 GMT
No way could Gregory play wide. Tyrese would have to then Gregory would miss all the chances. That really isn't a runner. Like it or not we have no one else who can play there.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2020 15:23:13 GMT
And my main question is what do fans hope to achieve by continually getting on Ince's back?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 4, 2020 15:31:27 GMT
There is a simple answer to the mystery of Mr Ince, if he has to play as we have no other options. Play him left wing. Let him beat his man and cross it from the byline, left footed. Play Powell on the right, so he can cross, right footed Don't really understand this inverted winger nonsense, never have done - sure change it up during a game for a while (we don't even do it, ever, even for 10 mins), but put players in the right position to maximise opportunity. Simple really. (He is dogshit mind) He's not quick though mate and would struggle to beat a full back for pace. At least coming in from the right, he has the rare opportunity to unleash a shot, which is about the only thing he has in his armoury. I think Ramadan Sobhi would create more, and that's saying something.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 4, 2020 15:47:10 GMT
Tom Ince was signed from Huudersfield to create and score goals. Its a pity that someone at the club did not quite spot that Ince had scored only 1 goal for Hudders all season,but somehow we thought it was a good idea to shell out 10 million squid. I do wonder if the Ince family has something on our manager because for the life of me I cannot understand why this woeful player is a permanent fixture in the team. This is a player that annually wins the SCFC hide and seek competition, it really is a gift how he always stands by his marker. Tom Ince is a man that has no bottle,fight or grit. He cannot beat his man, never crosses and always cuts inside. He cannot tackle, head a ball and only has one leg. I just pray that one day our manager will see sense. The trouble with him only having one leg is the one he's got isn't his kicking leg And as for beating his man he couldn't beat a egg
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