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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 22, 2020 22:16:30 GMT
Played well for me. Wish he'd do more of what he did today, running at people, being direct and getting shots off.
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 22, 2020 22:26:26 GMT
It was a good team effort
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 22:29:38 GMT
What did Ince create exactly to be classed as having even a decent game?
For comparison, Powell out of position on the left created more and had a huge hand in the second goal.
We really need better going forward. He's a huge part of why we are where we are.
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Post by stokest5 on Feb 22, 2020 23:22:05 GMT
What did Ince create exactly to be classed as having even a decent game? For comparison, Powell out of position on the left created more and had a huge hand in the second goal. We really need better going forward. He's a huge part of why we are where we are. Seems to be if it produces a 5/10 he’s had a good game. Playing for stoke he’s shown zero attributes that you’d want to see from a right winger. He’s consistently inconsistent it’s position we should be looking to upgrade next season.
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Post by RAF on Feb 22, 2020 23:37:05 GMT
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Feb 23, 2020 0:02:13 GMT
Thought he had a fairly decent game to be honest, but, how often when either Smith or another defender got the ball on the right, Ince was in the middle of the park leaving a great big open space down the right side where he should have been ? It happened all through the game so is he told to drift inside by the manager ? Looks pretty obvious to me that he is following instructions. When a defender has the ball out wide Ince comes short and inside creating space for Campbell or Powell, sometimes Allen to go make a run wide right. It worked ok today. It would work better if the defenders played the pass a bit quicker.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 23, 2020 0:24:29 GMT
He was poor as always when and where it really counts. He stands on the line of play and never breaks through the line. Plays teammates into trouble Like when he put it through for Powell to have a decent chance at goal.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 23, 2020 0:25:42 GMT
Thought he had a fairly decent game to be honest, but, how often when either Smith or another defender got the ball on the right, Ince was in the middle of the park leaving a great big open space down the right side where he should have been ? It happened all through the game so is he told to drift inside by the manager ? Looks pretty obvious to me that he is following instructions. When a defender has the ball out wide Ince comes short and inside creating space for Campbell or Powell, sometimes Allen to go make a run wide right. It worked ok today. It would work better if the defenders played the pass a bit quicker. Exactly, if the manager didn't want it he'd be getting a bollocking every few mins and he wouldn't be saying he had a very good 90 minutes.
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Post by Royal Donut on Feb 23, 2020 0:38:07 GMT
McClean 6 goals 3 assists (played left back so many games) Ince 2 goals 2 assists (cost twice as much)
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Post by tomcmod on Feb 23, 2020 0:40:57 GMT
Thought he had a fairly decent game to be honest, but, how often when either Smith or another defender got the ball on the right, Ince was in the middle of the park leaving a great big open space down the right side where he should have been ? It happened all through the game so is he told to drift inside by the manager ? If he stays out on the wing he gets surrounded by players as Smith doesn't overlap enough to create space. Ince coming in creates a space for Smith to run into where there are no players. This space can also make room for Campbell to run into too.
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Post by Royal Donut on Feb 23, 2020 0:45:18 GMT
Thought he had a fairly decent game to be honest, but, how often when either Smith or another defender got the ball on the right, Ince was in the middle of the park leaving a great big open space down the right side where he should have been ? It happened all through the game so is he told to drift inside by the manager ? If he stays out on the wing he gets surrounded by players as Smith doesn't overlap enough to create space. Ince coming in creates a space for Smith to run into where there are no players. This space can also make room for Campbell to run into too. How about tom ince does his job and take on his man, and let Campbell stay in the box and do his job. How about Smith stay back and do his job. Do as the manger as said play the right players in their positions. Play against a team with any sort if pace like last week and concede multiple goals from Smith not in his position.
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Post by jjinks5 on Feb 23, 2020 1:11:13 GMT
Tom ince is a little light weight at best but credit where credit is due. Did more today defensive than going forward. As a stoke fan I've always thought if someone rolls there sleeves up and puts in a shift then I clap them off. That should of been the case today. We moan when people don't. He did today. Your only as good as your last game.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Feb 23, 2020 7:04:34 GMT
Did ok yesterday, nothing to much to rave about in my opinion. But let's be honest, he's been a big flop since arriving. If another club came in with an offer then I'd get rid.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 23, 2020 7:17:56 GMT
Thought he was better than in recent games but still nothing to shout about.
Decent shot in the half and nearly an assist for Powell at the start of the second half. Not a lot else really.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Feb 23, 2020 7:39:15 GMT
McClean 6 goals 3 assists (played left back so many games) Ince 2 goals 2 assists (cost twice as much) I've said it on here before, he's a 10 million pound championship winger. He should be getting a minimum 10 assists and 8 goals a season. Saying that he did play better second half yesterday.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 23, 2020 7:39:33 GMT
He was poor as always when and where it really counts. He stands on the line of play and never breaks through the line. Plays teammates into trouble Like when he put it through for Powell to have a decent chance at goal..... I must have missed that. Still, 2 goals and 2 assists all season, its fucking rubbish isn't it? He's 100% a massive waste of space and if anything a liability. He plays his midfielders into trouble, can't beat a man, can't find a forward pass. Can't kick a ball properly. Can't shoot.
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Post by adi on Feb 23, 2020 8:09:12 GMT
He was poor as always when and where it really counts. He stands on the line of play and never breaks through the line. Plays teammates into trouble I must have been watching a different game !. 1 successful take on.
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Post by deadwait on Feb 23, 2020 11:36:58 GMT
I must have been watching a different game !. What was he good at? He did break through the lines on many occasions. He also worked tirelessly for his teammates. Had a cracking shot(just missed) in the first half after BREAKING THROUGH THE LINE.
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Post by theteacher on Feb 23, 2020 11:50:17 GMT
Tom Ince is a player I would like out of our Club - more than often he hides and cannot be relied upon. To progress as a Club we need a team where quality and endeavour go hand-in-hand.
Yesterday, he was much better and put a shift in. There was one occasion where he blackout of a challenge but over the 90 mins his performance was good. I would like more end product but yesterday much better.
He will have to have performances like that every week to convince me that he should still be with our Club next season but I am still willing to have my opinion changed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 12:03:37 GMT
Some stats for what they're worth of all of our goalscorers this season. Stats from Transfermarkt. Double the amount of appearances of Scott Hogan and the same amount of goals with one more assist is surely a worry? Player | Apps | Goals | Assists | Sam Clucas | 35 | 8 | 3 | James McClean | 28 | 6 | 5 | Tyrese Campbell | 26 | 6 | 3 | Sam Vokes | 29 | 5 | 2 | Joe Allen | 32 | 4 | 2 | Lee Gregory | 29 | 4 | 3 | Tom Ince | 31 | 2 | 2 | Danny Batth | 33 | 2 | 0 | Liam Lindsay | 23 | 2 | 2 | Nick Powell | 20 | 2 | 4 | Scott Hogan | 15 | 2 | 1 | Nathan Collins | 10 | 1 | 0 | Mame Diouf | 6 | 1 | 0 |
Further to that list, there are players who have assisted but not scored: BMI - 2 Edwards - 1 Tommy Smith - 2 Ryan Woods - 1
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 23, 2020 12:06:32 GMT
He did break through the lines on many occasions. He also worked tirelessly for his teammates. Had a cracking shot(just missed) in the first half after BREAKING THROUGH THE LINE. He didn't break through the line at all. That run and shot was good, I have no issue with that. But he didn't beat anyone to do it and he didn't trouble the keeper. He can't beat a man, can't break through the line, can't pass, can't win possession, can't shoot. If I was him, a ten million quid signing with two goals and two assists this season, I'd hand my wages back and fuck off out the club. He should be ashamed and he is a big reason we have struggled so badly. I could put up with his deficiencies were it not that he's such a coward. When faced with a determined opponent, he completely disappears.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 23, 2020 12:09:24 GMT
Stoke fans love a scapegoat always have done.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 23, 2020 12:15:34 GMT
Stoke fans love a scapegoat always have done. If Tom Ince is merely being scapegoated, I.e being blamed for the mistakes of others, please do elaborate? If you think he's not shit, please go ahead and put me right
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 23, 2020 12:17:10 GMT
Stoke fans love a scapegoat always have done. If Tom Ince is merely being scapegoated, I.e being blamed for the mistakes of others, please do elaborate? If you think he's not shit, please go ahead and put me right Nah
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Post by sec62 on Feb 23, 2020 12:24:34 GMT
Maybe I have rose coloured specticals but thought he had a good game, even the comitators were saying it. For some reason he has become a hate figure, in the state we are in we need to pick out the positives and encourage them to higher things.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 23, 2020 12:28:20 GMT
Stoke fans love a scapegoat always have done. If Tom Ince is merely being scapegoated, I.e being blamed for the mistakes of others, please do elaborate? If you think he's not shit, please go ahead and put me right Scapegoat is obviously the wrong term. Boo boy is more appropriate. We love someone to blame and this season we've got a few. Mainly it has to be said justified. But like with the Butland thread a few on here have backed themselves so far into the 'Jack, Thompson, Ince is shit' corner, they cannot see or refuse to accept, when they have a decent game. You admitted yourself you didn't see Ince set up Powell for that chance a minute into the second half. One of the best chances we created in open play. There's non so blind as those who refuse to see. I am not a big fan of Ince. He's a fanny and I like even my creative players to have a bit of steel. But he did have a decent game yesterday. As did Jack, as did Thompson. Not that you would believe it if you read this board.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 23, 2020 12:29:38 GMT
Did ok yesterday, nothing to much to rave about in my opinion. But let's be honest, he's been a big flop since arriving. If another club came in with an offer then I'd get rid. Yes he played reasonably well yesterday but his benchmark performances since he’s been with us has been low so that an average performance seems like over achievement! When you look at it from a return on investment perspective he’s undoubtedly been a flop.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 23, 2020 12:43:05 GMT
Did ok yesterday, nothing to much to rave about in my opinion. But let's be honest, he's been a big flop since arriving. If another club came in with an offer then I'd get rid. Yes he played reasonably well yesterday but his benchmark performances since he’s been with us has been low so that an average performance seems like over achievement! When you look at it from a return on investment perspective he’s undoubtedly been a flop. This is 100% correct. People make every excuse under the sun for Ince. He is the only person to blame for his lacklustre performances over the last two seasons. Someone said he had a shot “just wide”- what a joke- it was at least 3 yards wide. This creative player has got as many assists and goals this season as Liam Lindsay- and usually looks just as dangerous . Yesterday was one of his better games, yet he still put in zero crosses had no shots on target but did work hard and had 1 good run and 1 excellent pass to Powell. If that is what it takes to be regarded as good, it’s no wonder that the Championship is an extremely poor level of football- competitive, yes- technically crap.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 23, 2020 12:47:48 GMT
If Tom Ince is merely being scapegoated, I.e being blamed for the mistakes of others, please do elaborate? If you think he's not shit, please go ahead and put me right Scapegoat is obviously the wrong term. Boo boy is more appropriate. We love someone to blame and this season we've got a few. Mainly it has to be said justified. But like with the Butland thread a few on here have backed themselves so far into the 'Jack, Thompson, Ince is shit' corner, they cannot see or refuse to accept, when they have a decent game. You admitted yourself you didn't see Ince set up Powell for that chance a minute into the second half. One of the best chances we created in open play. There's non so blind as those who refuse to see. I am not a big fan of Ince. He's a fanny and I like even my creative players to have a bit of steel. But he did have a decent game yesterday. As did Jack, as did Thompson. Not that you would believe it if you read this board. I thought Butland was excellent yesterday and if rather see him come out for every cross and make mistakes rather than just leave every cross. Thompson was very good. Ince was the same as usual, failing to register a goal or assist. I genuinely missed the start of the second half, I missed his pass. I suppose I'm basing my judgement on everything I have seen,since he signed for Stoke
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Post by datguy on Feb 23, 2020 12:51:33 GMT
He’s looked a lot better since MO’N temporarily put Campbell out there vs Huddersfield.
He’s had a poor season. He’s admitted that. Not sure there’s much worth in putting this seasons stats up - I don’t think anyone is claiming he’s been excellent. But if you’re going down that route, what about last season where he was probably one of, if not the, best player.
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