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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 20, 2020 20:19:13 GMT
Keeping your powder dry, I like it. That's what matters is it not I cant influence anything other than where I put my X. "New Labour" won in part due to Blair being upbeat and positive this current bunch of Labour no Mark's make me want to reach for the fluoxetine. I'm very much inclined to agree with most of that. Whilst the thought of RLB fills me with utter dread I am patient enough to see if Nandy or Starmer can begin to drag the party closer to the centre before writing them off completely. But ultimately where you put your cross is all you can control.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 20, 2020 20:28:28 GMT
That's what matters is it not I cant influence anything other than where I put my X. "New Labour" won in part due to Blair being upbeat and positive this current bunch of Labour no Mark's make me want to reach for the fluoxetine. I'm very much inclined to agree with most of that. Whilst the thought of RLB fills me with utter dread I am patient enough to see if Nandy or Starmer can begin to drag the party closer to the centre before writing them off completely. But ultimately where you put your cross is all you can control. Time will tell we've 5 years to see what they can do and the same time to see if Boris fucks it up. Voters need a bit of a positive spin constant running things down turns folk off. That's why Brown failed monatone sleep inducer.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 20, 2020 21:06:07 GMT
I'm very much inclined to agree with most of that. Whilst the thought of RLB fills me with utter dread I am patient enough to see if Nandy or Starmer can begin to drag the party closer to the centre before writing them off completely. But ultimately where you put your cross is all you can control. Time will tell we've 5 years to see what they can do and the same time to see if Boris fucks it up. Voters need a bit of a positive spin constant running things down turns folk off. That's why Brown failed monatone sleep inducer. Well we definitely have 5 more years of them to come. To go along with the 10 that have gone before it. Just out of interest though, when you say running things down, which things?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 20, 2020 21:12:45 GMT
Time will tell we've 5 years to see what they can do and the same time to see if Boris fucks it up. Voters need a bit of a positive spin constant running things down turns folk off. That's why Brown failed monatone sleep inducer. Well we definitely have 5 more years of them to come. To go along with the 10 that have gone before it. Just out of interest though, when you say running things down, which things? At PMQs in particular it's all negative, I know it's what they try to do but it doesn't change it's all negative. I've not heard one Labour MP say how good things will be and how much of an opportunity we have. Again I know it's what they think is best undermine the government but jeez give me something to vote for.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 20, 2020 21:21:11 GMT
Well we definitely have 5 more years of them to come. To go along with the 10 that have gone before it. Just out of interest though, when you say running things down, which things? At PMQs in particular it's all negative, I know it's what they try to do but it doesn't change it's all negative. I've not heard one Labour MP say how good things will be and how much of an opportunity we have. Again I know it's what they think is best undermine the government but jeez give me something to vote for. Yes PMQ's is usually a battleground and has no doubt gotten worse over the years with the behaviour of MP's on all sides. But what things have they (any MP) run the country down over? What's the sort of candidate you would vote for, from any party?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 20, 2020 21:28:44 GMT
At PMQs in particular it's all negative, I know it's what they try to do but it doesn't change it's all negative. I've not heard one Labour MP say how good things will be and how much of an opportunity we have. Again I know it's what they think is best undermine the government but jeez give me something to vote for. Yes PMQ's is usually a battleground and has no doubt gotten worse over the years with the behaviour of MP's on all sides. But what things have they (any MP) run the country down over? What's the sort of candidate you would vote for, from any party? Oh come on now the NHS, BREXIT, Our security forces, Military, Trade deals etc I could go on and on. I voted Conservative this time so by that Boris.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 20, 2020 21:32:38 GMT
Yes PMQ's is usually a battleground and has no doubt gotten worse over the years with the behaviour of MP's on all sides. But what things have they (any MP) run the country down over? What's the sort of candidate you would vote for, from any party? Oh come on now the NHS, BREXIT, Our security forces, Military, Trade deals etc I could go on and on. I voted Conservative this time so by that Boris. EVERY opposition party does this and has done since democracy began in this country. I'm not sure why you think it would/should be any different now. They fundamentally disagree on lots of issues so it's right that that gets aired.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 20, 2020 21:51:55 GMT
Yes PMQ's is usually a battleground and has no doubt gotten worse over the years with the behaviour of MP's on all sides. But what things have they (any MP) run the country down over? What's the sort of candidate you would vote for, from any party? Oh come on now the NHS, BREXIT, Our security forces, Military, Trade deals etc I could go on and on. I voted Conservative this time so by that Boris. Ok, quoting the different ministerial departments arent exactly specifics but fair enough. Offering a different perspective or highlighting challenges that each of those areas are facing isnt doing the country down either. There is nothing wrong with being a fan of populist leaders, they're in number 10 and the White House respectively but I hope that come next election as a country we are back to facts over feelings.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2020 22:03:44 GMT
Oh come on now the NHS, BREXIT, Our security forces, Military, Trade deals etc I could go on and on. I voted Conservative this time so by that Boris. Ok, quoting the different ministerial departments arent exactly specifics but fair enough. Offering a different perspective or highlighting challenges that each of those areas are facing isnt doing the country down either. There is nothing wrong with being a fan of populist leaders, they're in number 10 and the White House respectively but I hope that come next election as a country we are back to facts over feelings. That is the reason we have Boris and the US has trump feelings the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings through the ballot box, it's called democracy get used to it will be here for a while until the mess is sorted.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 20, 2020 22:16:09 GMT
Ok, quoting the different ministerial departments arent exactly specifics but fair enough. Offering a different perspective or highlighting challenges that each of those areas are facing isnt doing the country down either. There is nothing wrong with being a fan of populist leaders, they're in number 10 and the White House respectively but I hope that come next election as a country we are back to facts over feelings. That is the reason we have Boris and the US has trump feelings the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings through the ballot box, it's called democracy get used to it will be here for a while until the mess is sorted. I really shouldn't but I do enjoy your posts on here. We are literally the total opposite but your soundbite ramblings do make me smile (and I don't mean that is a snarky way either) I picture you to be a thoroughly decent bloke but you are a total dream for right wing media outlets. "People have been ignored" "Risen up" "The mess is sorted" When the facts replace the fiction in a little over 12 months time I cannot wait to see where the blame will lie.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2020 22:32:42 GMT
That is the reason we have Boris and the US has trump feelings the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings through the ballot box, it's called democracy get used to it will be here for a while until the mess is sorted. I really shouldn't but I do enjoy your posts on here. We are literally the total opposite but your soundbite ramblings do make me smile (and I don't mean that is a snarky way either) I picture you to be a thoroughly decent bloke but you are a total dream for right wing media outlets. "People have been ignored" "Risen up" "The mess is sorted" When the facts replace the fiction in a little over 12 months time I cannot wait to see where the blame will lie. I picture you as a condescending creep , my advice to you is don't take up character profiling as a career
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 20, 2020 22:54:44 GMT
I really shouldn't but I do enjoy your posts on here. We are literally the total opposite but your soundbite ramblings do make me smile (and I don't mean that is a snarky way either) I picture you to be a thoroughly decent bloke but you are a total dream for right wing media outlets. "People have been ignored" "Risen up" "The mess is sorted" When the facts replace the fiction in a little over 12 months time I cannot wait to see where the blame will lie. I picture you as a condescending creep , my advice to you is don't take up character profiling as a career That's it, let all that Daily Mail hate out.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 21, 2020 6:21:48 GMT
Ok, quoting the different ministerial departments arent exactly specifics but fair enough. Offering a different perspective or highlighting challenges that each of those areas are facing isnt doing the country down either. There is nothing wrong with being a fan of populist leaders, they're in number 10 and the White House respectively but I hope that come next election as a country we are back to facts over feelings. That is the reason we have Boris and the US has trump feelings the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings through the ballot box, it's called democracy get used to it will be here for a while until the mess is sorted. "the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings" And said we will have more of the same old shit that put us here in the first place please.That will show the establishment how mad we really are. Of the last 80 odd years we have had a tory government for approx 65 years .More of the same, Please Sir.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 21, 2020 6:47:09 GMT
That is the reason we have Boris and the US has trump feelings the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings through the ballot box, it's called democracy get used to it will be here for a while until the mess is sorted. "the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings" And said we will have more of the same old shit that put us here in the first place please.That will show the establishment how mad we really are. Of the last 80 odd years we have had a tory government for approx 65 years .More of the same, Please Sir. I make the ratio 50:30 in the last 80 years? Your point still stands
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 21, 2020 6:51:55 GMT
That is the reason we have Boris and the US has trump feelings the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings through the ballot box, it's called democracy get used to it will be here for a while until the mess is sorted. "the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings" And said we will have more of the same old shit that put us here in the first place please.That will show the establishment how mad we really are. Of the last 80 odd years we have had a tory government for approx 65 years .More of the same, Please Sir. Get your facts right.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 21, 2020 6:54:40 GMT
"the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings" And said we will have more of the same old shit that put us here in the first place please.That will show the establishment how mad we really are. Of the last 80 odd years we have had a tory government for approx 65 years .More of the same, Please Sir. Get your facts right. And what facts would they be?I didnt know I mentioned any.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 21, 2020 6:56:38 GMT
"the ordinary people have been ignored for far to long they have finally risen up and expressed their feelings" And said we will have more of the same old shit that put us here in the first place please.That will show the establishment how mad we really are. Of the last 80 odd years we have had a tory government for approx 65 years .More of the same, Please Sir. Get your facts right. I think this is the first time we've ever agreed mate. You've got this. Have a like
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2020 6:58:32 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 21, 2020 7:30:00 GMT
And what facts would they be?I didnt know I mentioned any. I would assume carps was picking up on your chronology, which I also questioned
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 21, 2020 8:09:15 GMT
And what facts would they be?I didnt know I mentioned any. I would assume carps was picking up on your chronology, which I also questioned congratulations.Totally deflected from the real point about voting for change.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 21, 2020 8:13:17 GMT
I would assume carps was picking up on your chronology, which I also questioned congratulations.Totally deflected from the real point about voting for change. I said quite clearly that your point still stands. But you undermined it yourself by getting the chronology wrong
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Post by Davef on Feb 21, 2020 8:45:01 GMT
These people are sinister. How do they imagine their Orwellian outlook will curb the rise of populism and extremism? They're crackers.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2020 8:57:56 GMT
These people are sinister. How do they imagine their Orwellian outlook will curb the rise of populism and extremism? They're crackers. I think that you are right Dave, eventually there would be a reaction. I don't know if there is more to it than meets the eye because ,even if you believed that talk about migration should be illegal, most would ignore it and how are you going to Police it?.....what bothers me is the principle that dome complete unknowns believe that they have the right to tell others what they can say...and presumably think.
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Post by foster on Feb 21, 2020 8:58:58 GMT
These people are sinister. How do they imagine their Orwellian outlook will curb the rise of populism and extremism? They're crackers. Didn't we see this already about a year ago? Doesn't surprise me in any case. You can't criticise anything nowadays. Not like it's any better here in the UK.
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Post by Davef on Feb 21, 2020 9:29:26 GMT
These people are sinister. How do they imagine their Orwellian outlook will curb the rise of populism and extremism? They're crackers. Didn't we see this already about a year ago? Doesn't surprise me in any case. You can't criticise anything nowadays. Not like it's any better here in the UK. Absolutely not.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2020 9:41:15 GMT
These people are sinister. How do they imagine their Orwellian outlook will curb the rise of populism and extremism? They're crackers. Didn't we see this already about a year ago? Doesn't surprise me in any case. You can't criticise anything nowadays. Not like it's any better here in the UK. We did, but we've had a few new identities since then so we need regular updates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 13:05:55 GMT
Having watched QT for the first time in ages last night, I was very impressed with Ash Sarkar's response to a woman who said 'shut the door and don't let anyone in'.
The woman was clearly way off even for current govt thinking of migration, and I absolutely loved the fact Sarkar shut her down when she told her that a fact about immigrant contributions was 'rubbish'.
We need more of this type of response to falsehoods on the left. As much as I do understand people's worries about immigration, the left have either ignored them as 'racists' or tried to be understanding of complete lies. They absolutely have to start fighting back. 'Facts don't care about your feelings' is a great start.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 21, 2020 13:11:46 GMT
Look at that. Top 3 EE topics are issues for bigots. Who’d a thunk it...
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Post by foster on Feb 21, 2020 13:16:38 GMT
Look at that. Top 3 EE topics are issues for bigots. Who’d a thunk it... What happened to you mate? You used to join in debates rather than try to stir up division on the board. Where did the old Bath go?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 21, 2020 13:25:04 GMT
Look at that. Top 3 EE topics are issues for bigots. Who’d a thunk it... Who started them?
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