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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 19, 2020 21:11:23 GMT
I take it they already insist on a criminal records check? But that would be against their human rights, they have the right to come here with no checks at all, they have the rights to benefits, housing, free education, free healthcare and loads of other free services, no wonder they all want to come here, only problem is these things are not free we have to pay for them. [/quote
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 19, 2020 21:13:32 GMT
I'm anti-Brexit but don't understand the furore around them wanting potential immigrants to speak a good level of English. Surely that's the minimum requirement? Be careful the resident commies will have you down as a racesst, seriously I applied for a job in Spain a job I have the skill sets to do with ease, only problem was the racist bastards insisted I speak fluent Spanish, how dare they FFS it is my right to go to their country and demand I get my own way What ....you forgot your prayer mat and six kids ? You numpty !!!!😁
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 21:26:01 GMT
Be careful the resident commies will have you down as a racesst, seriously I applied for a job in Spain a job I have the skill sets to do with ease, only problem was the racist bastards insisted I speak fluent Spanish, how dare they FFS it is my right to go to their country and demand I get my own way What ....you forgot your prayer mat and six kids ? You numpty !!!!😁 I also omitted my sixteen wives their parents, aunties, uncles, cousins, second cousins and grandparents all requiring wheelchair assistance from the airport.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 19, 2020 22:07:39 GMT
Well it looks like I'll have to start washing the car again. There is every opportunity to succeed in this country if you are prepared to work hard. In my experience employers are desperate to find good employees. I met a young man last November who chose to leave school for work rather than go to university. He learnt to be a bricklayer and at 23 was putting down a deposit for a house, while the graduates his age have massive student loan debts and are qualified in subjects that are no use to get a job. I expect bricklayers from eastern Europe will come here still, as most of our young people want to work sitting in front of a computer screen. I also fully expect farmers will invest in automation, need is mother of invention. Cows can milk themselves these days: www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32610257
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Post by Goonie on Feb 19, 2020 22:10:39 GMT
It will be interesting to see the consequences of cheap labour not getting in:
The unwaged/benefits people will have to find work - whatcwill be the consequences?
It will be harder to stay on benefits when Farm labouring/seasonal jobs will be in abundance
Unemployment will drop
The positives may see a rise in general mental health due to employment
As there will be few unemployed wages will rise to attract workers in much needed jobs
Inflation may rise
Those unwilling to work will flood the physical and mental health systems in order to qualify for benefits
Personally I think it's long overdue and may see a huge improvement in our culture that encourages working independence as opposed to benefits dependence
It will be an interesting experiment that may see us becoming wealthier than if we stayed in Europe
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 19, 2020 22:31:01 GMT
Well it looks like I'll have to start washing the car again. I hope 5Live get 'Steve from Southampton' back on . Around this time last year Steve was on the breakfast show explaining his position as a strong Brexit supporter because he felt immigration needed to be controlled to stop the benefits tourists. Steve ran a car wash business employing EU labour and felt that he should still be allowed to recruit from the EU in future. I would like to hear his thoughts on the proposals.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2020 22:47:43 GMT
This government is turning out to be very clever.
They announce a policy that gets everyone worked up re-enforcing the perception that they are tough on immigration
but...
There are so many loop holes in what they have proposed that there will be virtually no change. Loads of people will come here but people’s perception is that ain’t happening.
And in politics, perception is everything.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 22:51:06 GMT
Well it looks like I'll have to start washing the car again. I hope 5Live get 'Steve from Southampton' back on . Around this time last year Steve was on the breakfast show explaining his position as a strong Brexit supporter because he felt immigration needed to be controlled to stop the benefits tourists. Steve ran a car wash business employing EU labour and felt that he should still be allowed to recruit from the EU in future. I would like to hear his thoughts on the proposals. Poor Steve will have to pay a better wage to secure British's worker's to wash the cars he really didn't know what he was voting for, oh well time to stop exploiting those poor foreigners who you employ and we subsidise via benefits time for change
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 19, 2020 23:29:23 GMT
How's all that red meat tasting folks?
Deportations Points based immigration systems A Chancellor resignation Power grab from the treasury
All in the past 2 weeks, what a time to be alive.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 19, 2020 23:32:17 GMT
I hope 5Live get 'Steve from Southampton' back on . Around this time last year Steve was on the breakfast show explaining his position as a strong Brexit supporter because he felt immigration needed to be controlled to stop the benefits tourists. Steve ran a car wash business employing EU labour and felt that he should still be allowed to recruit from the EU in future. I would like to hear his thoughts on the proposals. Poor Steve will have to pay a better wage to secure British's worker's to wash the cars he really didn't know what he was voting for, oh well time to stop exploiting those poor foreigners who you employ and we subsidise via benefits time for change Either that or poor Steve will be faced with employing the feral and the feckless who've had the jobs forced on them - or he invests in automation
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 23:33:58 GMT
How's all that red meat tasting folks? Deportations Points based immigration systems A Chancellor resignation Power grab from the treasury All in the past 2 weeks, what a time to be alive. 1) labour policy and law, a world wide policy to deport convicted criminals. 2) A reasonable and fair immigration policy. 3+4) one in the same but makes sence to make sure both offices are on the same page to deliver on the election. A sensible and overdue reform of the two main offices. So far so good.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 19, 2020 23:43:11 GMT
How's all that red meat tasting folks? Deportations Points based immigration systems A Chancellor resignation Power grab from the treasury All in the past 2 weeks, what a time to be alive. 1) labour policy and law, a world wide policy to deport convicted criminals. 2) A reasonable and fair immigration policy. 3+4) one in the same but makes sence to make sure both offices are on the same page to deliver on the election. A sensible and overdue reform of the two main offices. So far so good. If you were rating it out of 10?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2020 6:45:56 GMT
How's all that red meat tasting folks? Deportations Points based immigration systems A Chancellor resignation Power grab from the treasury All in the past 2 weeks, what a time to be alive. More deportations on the way
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 20, 2020 7:15:04 GMT
I dont work in a care home. I didn't say you did, you do however claim to run your own business do you employee foreign workers ? I am not going into details about our business,most certainly not on here.But to answer your question the answer is no,we as a small business dont employ many people and our staff turnover is low.I have never interviewed anyone from outside the UK either as no one has ever applied for a position.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 20, 2020 7:21:07 GMT
England expects! As the foreigners they despise return to their native lands it is the patriotic duty of all retired people who voted Tory/Brexit to pick cabbages in Lincolnshire and turnips in Cambridgeshire. Dig for victory! As Priti Patel said, economic inactivity is laziness! man alive, it's been set out and announced that there will be changes made if required to fill gaps and meet business needs, but let's all run around waving our hands in the air screeching doom and gloom. Does your business depend on low wage workers at all? Depends is a very loose term.I do not employ anyone on minimum wage and we do offer job benefits (bonus,health care,paid sick).I cannot speak for my customers or suppliers which my company also (depends on). Changes WILL be made and everyone will be kicking and stamping when they realise that we do need immigration and as unemployment is at a low we haven't seen for decades I will again say that the UK does not have the people to fill the job gaps taken up by immigrants.Its not rocket science is it.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 20, 2020 7:34:21 GMT
Eight million economically inactive Utter utter bullshit. "economically inactive" the ones you see walking the streets of Hanley and other towns are the people you want to fill the vacancies in Hospitals and care homes On your bike complete and utter fantasy Shes having a blinder so far Patel is
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 20, 2020 7:42:20 GMT
Fair play to you and I doff my cap. But I think that phrase I've emboldened is not true really. Have you ever had to have three jobs on the go just to pay the mortgage, no car no holidays, no savings ? or have mummy and daddy cosseted you throughout your life maybe that is why you seem to find the basic's of financial reality difficult to comprehend. Why three jobs?That is what you must be asking.No one should have to do more than one job to make ends meet.Again people seem to defend this as though its something to be proud of.
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 20, 2020 8:37:55 GMT
May have to think twice about going abroad as there is no way I would get 70 points to get back in. ! ! 🥺
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 20, 2020 9:29:47 GMT
1) labour policy and law, a world wide policy to deport convicted criminals. 2) A reasonable and fair immigration policy. 3+4) one in the same but makes sence to make sure both offices are on the same page to deliver on the election. A sensible and overdue reform of the two main offices. So far so good. If you were rating it out of 10? I'll judge them at the next GE and cast my vote accordingly.
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2020 10:35:15 GMT
Eight million economically inactive Utter utter bullshit. "economically inactive" the ones you see walking the streets of Hanley and other towns are the people you want to fill the vacancies in Hospitals and care homes On your bike complete and utter fantasy Shes having a blinder so far Patel is No, but there would be other jobs that they could do, the ones that are in work could be trained to move up the ladder leaving vacancies below, give people a bit of hope and aspiration, it's not rocket science is it ...
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2020 10:36:21 GMT
May have to think twice about going abroad as there is no way I would get 70 points to get back in. ! ! 🥺 Your British passport doesn't require any points to get back in does it ?
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2020 10:41:55 GMT
man alive, it's been set out and announced that there will be changes made if required to fill gaps and meet business needs, but let's all run around waving our hands in the air screeching doom and gloom. Does your business depend on low wage workers at all? Depends is a very loose term.I do not employ anyone on minimum wage and we do offer job benefits (bonus,health care,paid sick).I cannot speak for my customers or suppliers which my company also (depends on). Changes WILL be made and everyone will be kicking and stamping when they realise that we do need immigration and as unemployment is at a low we haven't seen for decades I will again say that the UK does not have the people to fill the job gaps taken up by immigrants.Its not rocket science is it. Reading between the lines, you've benefitted from the availability of people from a large pool who by the large numbers supress the wages by keeping them low, probably not much above the minimum wage The UK may not have all the numbers to fill the gap, but with the right advice, training they may be able to move up into better jobs and the lower skilled jobs, (and I don't count all hospitals, care home jobs etc. in that) be filled with immigrants
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 20, 2020 11:01:54 GMT
To add to the debate I'll suggest lowering the retirement age to imho 60. It gives workers a life after work to enjoy it frees up jobs and encourages employment as there is a realistic life after. Most folk pop their clogs within a relatively short time after retirement. Voluntary not compulsory but for a person just starting out to know they cant retire until 67 or so is sole destroying. Now to pay for this requires pension provision and I know there will be concerns about how but increase % contribution for all. It's just a thought not a fully costed plan.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2020 11:03:05 GMT
This government is turning out to be very clever. They announce a policy that gets everyone worked up re-enforcing the perception that they are tough on immigration but... There are so many loop holes in what they have proposed that there will be virtually no change. Loads of people will come here but people’s perception is that ain’t happening. And in politics, perception is everything. Very Tony Blairy sorry extreme far right fascist as Momo would have it. The policy is pretty much the same as for non eu immigration now, immigration was never a big deal for me, for those it was even the most rabid on here most just said they wanted the government to decide the numbers.
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Post by riverman on Feb 20, 2020 11:26:39 GMT
Have you ever had to have three jobs on the go just to pay the mortgage, no car no holidays, no savings ? or have mummy and daddy cosseted you throughout your life maybe that is why you seem to find the basic's of financial reality difficult to comprehend. Why three jobs?That is what you must be asking.No one should have to do more than one job to make ends meet.Again people seem to defend this as though its something to be proud of. Exactly this. It's called living within your means. We've got guys at work in their early twenties who, instead of getting on the property ladder at the lower end of the market in say a small mid terrace and working their way up like we used to do, insist on buying detached houses with garage, a couple of brand new cars on tick, the latest phones and tech gadgets, enormous flat screens with full sky and then moan about not earning enough. Granted a lot of this is down to the way this "must have" society is going and social pressure but they don't feel they should have to compromise. This is one of the main reasons the so called " indigenous " population wont do the low paid, unskilled jobs and business has had to rely on immigrant labour. So unless someone is willing to pay upwards of 20K to put a cherry on a cake who else is going to do these jobs? I hope I'm wrong but I can see some companies upping sticks and moving abroad to exploit cheap labour as has happened in the pottery industry to maintain the profit margins and share dividends they've become used to. That would lead to a knock on effect. It all remains to be seen.
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 20, 2020 11:35:27 GMT
May have to think twice about going abroad as there is no way I would get 70 points to get back in. ! ! 🥺 Your British passport doesn't require any points to get back in does it ? It was a poor attempt at Irony. Obviously British citizens will not have a problem.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 20, 2020 11:35:41 GMT
Why three jobs?That is what you must be asking.No one should have to do more than one job to make ends meet.Again people seem to defend this as though its something to be proud of. Exactly this. It's called living within your means. We've got guys at work in their early twenties who, instead of getting on the property ladder at the lower end of the market in say a small mid terrace and working their way up like we used to do, insist on buying detached houses with garage, a couple of brand new cars on tick, the latest phones and tech gadgets, enormous flat screens with full sky and then moan about not earning enough. Granted a lot of this is down to the way this "must have" society is going and social pressure but they don't feel they should have to compromise. This is one of the main reasons the so called " indigenous " population wont do the low paid, unskilled jobs and business has had to rely on immigrant labour. So unless someone is willing to pay upwards of 20K to put a cherry on a cake who else is going to do these jobs? I hope I'm wrong but I can see some companies upping sticks and moving abroad to exploit cheap labour as has happened in the pottery industry to maintain the profit margins and share dividends they've become used to. That would lead to a knock on effect. It all remains to be seen. Circumstances change I remember a mortgage interest rate of 15.75 or thereabouts it was a while ago 👴 which accounted for about two weeks wages alone to pay. People lose jobs and have to get two to maintain where they were. In a perfect world I agree one job if enough for anyone but if a person wants or needs to do more than one job then that's a positive not a negative.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2020 11:55:19 GMT
Have you ever had to have three jobs on the go just to pay the mortgage, no car no holidays, no savings ? or have mummy and daddy cosseted you throughout your life maybe that is why you seem to find the basic's of financial reality difficult to comprehend. Why three jobs?That is what you must be asking.No one should have to do more than one job to make ends meet.Again people seem to defend this as though its something to be proud of. The engineering strikes early 80's, we were only working three days a week thanks to the Trade Unions! we eventually went back we gained the best part of fcuk all, needs must you find a way to pay the bills it's called having a work ethic. We got through by the skin of our teeth thanks to hard work foregoing holidays, cars etc. I am proud of what I did to fucking right I am, would I do it again for my family again to damn right I would.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2020 12:00:33 GMT
May have to think twice about going abroad as there is no way I would get 70 points to get back in. ! ! 🥺 Your British passport doesn't require any points to get back in does it ? Does it Fcuk.
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Post by riverman on Feb 20, 2020 12:01:28 GMT
Exactly this. It's called living within your means. We've got guys at work in their early twenties who, instead of getting on the property ladder at the lower end of the market in say a small mid terrace and working their way up like we used to do, insist on buying detached houses with garage, a couple of brand new cars on tick, the latest phones and tech gadgets, enormous flat screens with full sky and then moan about not earning enough. Granted a lot of this is down to the way this "must have" society is going and social pressure but they don't feel they should have to compromise. This is one of the main reasons the so called " indigenous " population wont do the low paid, unskilled jobs and business has had to rely on immigrant labour. So unless someone is willing to pay upwards of 20K to put a cherry on a cake who else is going to do these jobs? I hope I'm wrong but I can see some companies upping sticks and moving abroad to exploit cheap labour as has happened in the pottery industry to maintain the profit margins and share dividends they've become used to. That would lead to a knock on effect. It all remains to be seen. Circumstances change I remember a mortgage interest rate of 15.75 or thereabouts it was a while ago 👴 which accounted for about two weeks wages alone to pay. People lose jobs and have to get two to maintain where they were. In a perfect world I agree one job if enough for anyone but if a person wants or needs to do more than one job then that's a positive not a negative. I would agree with you in respect of people needing to take extra work on if absolutely necessary due to circumstances. I also remember the 15% interest rate and the hardship it caused. My point is we've got a generation who want and expect everything now rather than sitting down, look at what they can afford and then plan sensibly for their future hopefully avoiding getting to a point where they are living beyond their limits. I'm not saying everyone is like this but in my experience from what I've seen at work there's a lot who are.
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