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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 11, 2020 21:51:15 GMT
see my links above re Farage. I'm not suggesting that we are being swamped" compared to other countries"....Ive made no reference to other countries. Its a constant sizable trickle.....when does it end? Should it end? And no, we can't undo the past....even yesterday. Its a sizable trickle? How many is a "sizable trickle", what are the numbers? When does it end? When we stop indiscriminately bombing the shit out of countries we have no business getting involved with. Well at least that would help. Should it end? We should take our fair share of refugees, especially unaccompanied minors who have no family. We currently take nowhere near our fair share. I knew that you would pick up on that. If it is allowed to continue unchecked we are talking thousands.How long has it been going on for/ when will it end ? Don't forget that there are other entry routes/ the Tunnel and the unknowns. In essence all illegal entry should be stopped. Certainly I don't think that anyone should risk their lives in such a way leaving Unsafe France.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 11, 2020 21:59:45 GMT
The tories are allowing this to happen they must have agreement with someone
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:00:01 GMT
Its a sizable trickle? How many is a "sizable trickle", what are the numbers? When does it end? When we stop indiscriminately bombing the shit out of countries we have no business getting involved with. Well at least that would help. Should it end? We should take our fair share of refugees, especially unaccompanied minors who have no family. We currently take nowhere near our fair share. I knew that you would pick up on that. If it is allowed to continue unchecked we are talking thousands.How long has it een going on for/ when will it end ? Don't forget that there are other entry routes/ the Tunneland the unknowns. In essence all illegal entry should be stopped. Certainly I don't think tgat anyone should risk their lives in such a way leaving Unsafe France. Not according to Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention it shouldn't if they're claiming asylum.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 11, 2020 22:03:49 GMT
I knew that you would pick up on that. If it is allowed to continue unchecked we are talking thousands.How long has it een going on for/ when will it end ? Don't forget that there are other entry routes/ the Tunneland the unknowns. In essence all illegal entry should be stopped. Certainly I don't think tgat anyone should risk their lives in such a way leaving Unsafe France. Not according to Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention it shouldn't if they're claiming asylum..... Its my opinion, and I think most ordinary people would agree with me. As an aside I do have reservations about the UN....have you seen the list of countries who are members....and play complete lip service to the ideals..... It's a hell of a list: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_United_Nations
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:11:42 GMT
Not according to Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention it shouldn't if they're claiming asylum..... Its my opinion, and I think most ordinary people would agree with me. As an aside I do have reservations about the UN....have you seen the list of countries who are members....and play complete lip service to the ideals. Actually John it may be your opinion but it's also International Law that we as a nation have signed up to......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 11, 2020 22:17:07 GMT
Its my opinion, and I think most ordinary people would agree with me. As an aside I do have reservations about the UN....have you seen the list of countries who are members....and play complete lip service to the ideals. Actually John it may be your opinion but it's also International Law that we as a nation have signed up to...... So you are advocating that as many people as possible can " arrive" in the UK , without question....and presumably be accepted for asylum? Are they all asylum seekers or economic migrants? France is already safe. And that's why our membership/ signing up to all ' articles' of the UN should be questioned. UN or not, I believe that most ordinary people would agree with me that the Channel crossings should be stopped and immigration should be controlled. Ever likely the left are remote from power.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:21:31 GMT
Actually John it may be your opinion but it's also International Law that we as a nation have signed up to...... So you are advocating that as many people as possible can " arrive" in the UK , without question....and presumably be accepted for asylum? Are they all asylum seekers or economic migrants? France is already safe. And that's why our membership/ signing up to all ' articles' of the UN should be questioned. UN or not, I believe that most ordinary people would agree with me that the Channel crossings should be stopped and immigration should be controlled. Ever likely the left are remote from power. I don't speak for the left John I speak for myself, stop with the patronising guff. I was merely quoting International Law, if you're advocating breaking it that's your look out.......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 11, 2020 22:28:33 GMT
So you are advocating that as many people as possible can " arrive" in the UK , without question....and presumably be accepted for asylum? Are they all asylum seekers or economic migrants? France is already safe. And that's why our membership/ signing up to all ' articles' of the UN should be questioned. UN or not, I believe that most ordinary people would agree with me that the Channel crossings should be stopped and immigration should be controlled. Ever likely the left are remote from power. I don't speak for the left John I speak for myself, stop with the patronising guff. I was merely quoting International Law, if you're advocating breaking it that's your look out....... It's only a football message board.....I don't think I need to be on the look out.....as far as I know I have little influence whatsoever, let alone on International law. I would not presume that these large organisations are always correct, however well sounding. I thought that you'd pick up about the comment about the Left, you usually do....I do think that your views are close to " the Left" ....nothing wrong in that.....I used to be a member of the Labour Party......in the olden days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:30:50 GMT
I don't speak for the left John I speak for myself, stop with the patronising guff. I was merely quoting International Law, if you're advocating breaking it that's your look out....... It's only a football message board.....I don't think I need to be on the look out.....as far as I know I have little influence whatsoever, let alone on International law. I would not presume that these large organisations are always correct, however well sounding. I thought that you'd pick up about the comment about the Left, you usually do....I do think that your views are close to " the Left" ....nothing wrong in that.....I used to be a member of the Labour Party......in the olden days. My views are my views. If you want to put a label on them good luck to you......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 11, 2020 22:31:26 GMT
It's only a football message board.....I don't think I need to be on the look out.....as far as I know I have little influence whatsoever, let alone on International law. I would not presume that these large organisations are always correct, however well sounding. I thought that you'd pick up about the comment about the Left, you usually do....I do think that your views are close to " the Left" ....nothing wrong in that.....I used to be a member of the Labour Party......in the olden days. My views are my views. If you want to put a label on them good luck to you...... Thank you
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2020 23:03:30 GMT
I think the Mayor Of Liverpool, Joe Anderson summed it up best after Farage had issued another targeted video of division and hate about some young refugees on a charity funded trip to Anfield
He said: "If he wants to talk football I'll say he's a substitute - for a human being."
"He's been relegated, he's just totally irrelevant now isn't he.
"We have actually just told the government that we want to do more as a city for refugees and welcome more people in.
"We are very proud to be right at the top of the table of places that welcome people in and help people and that is something we will always do and want to do more of.
"Here in Liverpool we will take absolutely no lessons from that man.
"Liverpool is a humanitarian city and it will always be a humanitarian city and we would much rather see refugees here than Nigel Farage."
He added: "He will never be welcome in this city and he can stay away.
"He's using the wrong city to try and advance his toxic agenda and he's found out quite quickly that it won't work here."
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2020 23:12:42 GMT
I think the Mayor Of Liverpool, Joe Anderson summed it up best after Farage had issued another targeted video of division and hate about some young refugees on a charity funded trip to Anfield He said: "If he wants to talk football I'll say he's a substitute - for a human being."
"He's been relegated, he's just totally irrelevant now isn't he.
"We have actually just told the government that we want to do more as a city for refugees and welcome more people in.
"We are very proud to be right at the top of the table of places that welcome people in and help people and that is something we will always do and want to do more of.
"Here in Liverpool we will take absolutely no lessons from that man.
"Liverpool is a humanitarian city and it will always be a humanitarian city and we would much rather see refugees here than Nigel Farage."
He added: "He will never be welcome in this city and he can stay away.
"He's using the wrong city to try and advance his toxic agenda and he's found out quite quickly that it won't work here."
Pure lip service
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2020 23:25:40 GMT
I think the Mayor Of Liverpool, Joe Anderson summed it up best after Farage had issued another targeted video of division and hate about some young refugees on a charity funded trip to Anfield He said: "If he wants to talk football I'll say he's a substitute - for a human being."
"He's been relegated, he's just totally irrelevant now isn't he.
"We have actually just told the government that we want to do more as a city for refugees and welcome more people in.
"We are very proud to be right at the top of the table of places that welcome people in and help people and that is something we will always do and want to do more of.
"Here in Liverpool we will take absolutely no lessons from that man.
"Liverpool is a humanitarian city and it will always be a humanitarian city and we would much rather see refugees here than Nigel Farage."
He added: "He will never be welcome in this city and he can stay away.
"He's using the wrong city to try and advance his toxic agenda and he's found out quite quickly that it won't work here."
Pure lip service Which one? A City Mayor telling a droopy jowled old bigot to fuck off or a droopy jowled old bigot baiting refugee children on a charity trip?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2020 23:26:58 GMT
Which one? A City Mayor telling a droopy jowled old bigot to fuck off or a droopy jowled old bigot baiting refugee children on a charity trip? The first bit
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 11, 2020 23:33:28 GMT
Which one? A City Mayor telling a droopy jowled old bigot to fuck off or a droopy jowled old bigot baiting refugee children on a charity trip? The first bit How would you describe the second bit?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2020 23:42:59 GMT
How would you describe the second bit? Truthful to his beliefs. Doesn’t mean it’s correct by the way. And it in no way reflects my beliefs but I do think the Liverpool Mayor has words put in front of him to please the people. So as not to upset anybody, like most people nowadays. And once again you resort to personal insults about a persons looks to get your point across.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2020 0:35:45 GMT
How would you describe the second bit? Truthful to his beliefs. And vile, divisive and deliberately provocative. Still what's a few right wingers marauding through hotels to intimidate the vulnerable or a right wing march in Dover attacking the weak and scared or a social media full of wankers celebrating a dead man who sank on a dinghy because he was in allegedly in his 20s rather than being 16. All foot soldiers for Farage, following his lead and his rhetoric......and you're concerned about his Deputy Dog face?!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 12, 2020 1:46:06 GMT
And vile, divisive and deliberately provocative. Still what's a few right wingers marauding through hotels to intimidate the vulnerable or a right wing march in Dover attacking the weak and scared or a social media full of wankers celebrating a dead man who sank on a dinghy because he was in allegedly in his 20s rather than being 16. All foot soldiers for Farage, following his lead and his rhetoric......and you're concerned about his Deputy Dog face?! The faces are irrelevant. Joe Anderson's hardly Cillian Murphy in fairness.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2020 9:17:51 GMT
And vile, divisive and deliberately provocative. Still what's a few right wingers marauding through hotels to intimidate the vulnerable or a right wing march in Dover attacking the weak and scared or a social media full of wankers celebrating a dead man who sank on a dinghy because he was in allegedly in his 20s rather than being 16. All foot soldiers for Farage, following his lead and his rhetoric......and you're concerned about his Deputy Dog face?! Yet again more personal abuse from Mr Angry Marxist of Longton, you appear to have issues one of them being around successful white men, it's not their fault you keep backing losers and lost causes. Start campaigning for the homeless living on our streets instead of championing illegal immigrants who we are housing with full board in luxury hotels for free, charity begins at home deport them as soon as they set foot on UK land if they have no identification.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2020 9:23:36 GMT
Farage was vehemently against the war in Libya and , as faras I know, foreign interference in terms of war, as was Galloway. It is not about Farage( personalitues again) , it's about the isdue. We cannot undo the past. The illegal entry into the UK across the Channel is wrong ....and for a range of reasons. Mre people in my opinion, would agree with Farage on this issue. How long should it be allowed to continue/ how many should we let in...a never ending trickle? Do you know if Farage was against the Libya war as it was happening, or only in hindsight? I tried looking up his opinions of the Iraq War and struggled to find him saying anything about it until quite some time afterwards, after it had all gone pear-shaped. I've no idea if it's the same with Libya or not. I take it you are blaming the last labour government for the illegal war in Iraq that destabilised the whole of the Middle East !
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2020 9:34:13 GMT
Yet again more personal abuse from Mr Angry Marxist of Longton, you appear to have issues one of them being around successful white men, it's not their fault you keep backing losers and lost causes. Start campaigning for the homeless living on our streets instead of championing illegal immigrants who we are housing with full board in luxury hotels for free, charity begins at home deport them as soon as they set foot on UK land if they have no identification. Personal abuse? Give over, racist boy. And again, will admin ever get around to applying the message board rules to you or are you admin time you were taught a lesson.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 12, 2020 9:37:59 GMT
Personal abuse? Give over, racist boy. And again, will admin ever get around to applying the message board rules to you or are you admin time you were taught a lesson. You started the abuse you ridiculous little man. And by the way, a heartless and soulless right wing bully boy as yourself, now painting yourself as the protector of British homeless people after all the shit you've spouted over the years, is both the most hilarious and sickeningly hypocritical horse shit ever written on this messageboard and that, as you know, is a very crowded field!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2020 9:43:37 GMT
And again, will admin ever get around to applying the message board rules to you or are you admin time you were taught a lesson. You started the abuse you ridiculous little man. And by the way, a heartless and soulless right wing bully boy as yourself, now painting yourself as the protector of British homeless people after all the shit you've spouted over the years, is both the most hilarious and sickeningly hypocritical horse shit ever written on this messageboard and that, as you know, is a very crowded field! Wrong again Mo you have a habit of being wrong or backing losers it's not a good habit to have. Time for you to learn a lesson.
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Post by hoffgreen on Sept 12, 2020 15:55:22 GMT
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Post by ashleyscfc on Sept 12, 2020 16:01:23 GMT
Bless, you lot have been distracted by the 2k+ people crossing the channel illegally by Farage and bojo the clown. Whereas instead you should be worried about their legal proposals, that worse than the EU, describe in clear how legal immigration rules can be used to bring in workers on less than the average salary for that particular role. Undercutting workers currently here and surprising wages. Oh you thought the Tory party we’re going to protect ordinary workers and white collar work like they seemed to promise? Don’t be daft a leopard doesn’t change its spots. They want to support businesses effectiveness to fuck us all over. If I’ve read that correctly he is being allowed in because his profession is classed as a shortage occupation meaning there are more jobs than people able to fill them. So no chance of wage depression in that case. (Wage depression being a consequence of over supply not under supply). Can’t see the problem with this. They’re allowing people into the country on wages lower than the average rate. It’s the definition of wage suppression. Especially those in the industry already in the UK. If it wasn’t suppression they shouldn’t be allowed to accept a job lower than the average. Simple
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 11:32:59 GMT
For those who are concerned by the logistics of the refugees coming in by dinghy rather than the refugees per se, should we be following Germany's lead and taking a few hundred alongside other civilised countries to ease this particular crisis?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 11:54:34 GMT
For those who are concerned by the logistics of the refugees coming in by dinghy rather than the refugees per se, should we be following Germany's lead and taking a few hundred alongside other civilised countries to ease this particular crisis? For me it's always been an issue of WHO controls the immigration into the UK....solely a matter for the UK government Presumably under freemovement, in the fullness of time, the immigtants into Germany will be able to travel freely across Europe.....and I am aware of opt outs and schengen, I'm talking about the principle of " who decides?"....for me without any need whatsoever to consider the EU position. It seems though it would perhaps make sense, EU wide, for France to take more, because they are less crowded than us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 11:57:20 GMT
For those who are concerned by the logistics of the refugees coming in by dinghy rather than the refugees per se, should we be following Germany's lead and taking a few hundred alongside other civilised countries to ease this particular crisis? For me it's always been an issue of WHO controls the immigration into the UK....solely a matter for the UK government Presumably under freemovement, in the fullness of time, the immigtants into Germany will be able to travel freely across Europe.....and I am aware of opt outs and schengen, I'm talking about the principle of " who decides?"....for me without any need whatsoever to consider the EU position. It seems though it would perhaps make sense, EU wide, for France to take more, because they are less crowded than us. Was that a yes or a no sorry John?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 15, 2020 12:13:23 GMT
For me it's always been an issue of WHO controls the immigration into the UK....solely a matter for the UK government Presumably under freemovement, in the fullness of time, the immigtants into Germany will be able to travel freely across Europe.....and I am aware of opt outs and schengen, I'm talking about the principle of " who decides?"....for me without any need whatsoever to consider the EU position. It seems though it would perhaps make sense, EU wide, for France to take more, because they are less crowded than us. Was that a yes or a no sorry John? Just giving my opinion on the issue. It's more important that " we" decide than taking our " fair share". Whi decides the " fair share"? What do you do with those who have been rejected for asylum, say, and still try to come in illegally either across the Channel, through the Tunnel or otherwise? You don't always get the type of answer that you want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:22:02 GMT
Was that a yes or a no sorry John? Just giving my opinion on the issue. It's more important that " we" decide than taking our " fair share". Whi decides the " fair share"? What do you do with those who have been rejected for asylum, say, and still try to come in illegally either across the Channel, through the Tunnel or otherwise? You don't always get the type of answer that you want. The German's have agreed to take 1,500 so that's a decent starting point. With that in mind what would you deem to be "our fair share?"
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