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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 31, 2020 14:33:40 GMT
It needs people like Farage for the public to wake the fuck up to the reality of what’s going on in their country and do something about it. I’m not shocked but it is truly shocking A genuine question - what do you find truly shocking about that video? Genuine answer. There is nothing truly shocking about the video apart from the yellow tie but the numbers being quoted and the lack of action really are. Are you not concerned?
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Post by Northy on Jul 31, 2020 14:44:54 GMT
Thats the point. The article refers to 'emergency' measures. This is an escalating and ongoing problem and again Farage is going to be the one who , in my opinion, represents general public feeling and is holding the government to account....which is what you like to do. An article in a local newspaper 3 months ago won't do that. the stabbings in Glasgow etc. they are all over the country, 202 arrived by boat yesterday, we don't seem to have enough to feed our own people, never mind thousands that want to come here and get everything for free
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 15:36:53 GMT
Thats the point. The article refers to 'emergency' measures. This is an escalating and ongoing problem and again Farage is going to be the one who , in my opinion, represents general public feeling and is holding the government to account....which is what you like to do. An article in a local newspaper 3 months ago won't do that. Are we not still in the midst of an emergency? The furlough scheme was an emergency measure and is still in place. Apart from the bad PR of putting them in a hotel of a brand that is known for being quite fancy, I'm not sure what the government is supposed to have done here. Prevented the collusion with the French in encouraging " asylum" whist paying them millions to stop it. Despite the virus other aspects of life continue/ other politics. Just like we should be doing something about knife crime/ the homeless/ hope for yong people/ the economy etc The Labour party/ the media and those that think they are on the" left" have tried to undermine the government through the Cummings affair and through the handling of the virus....virtually no impact with the public. This issue will prove to have more resonance with ordinary voters in the long term and again Farage is ahead of the game. Of course Labour/ the left have dug themselves in a hole in areas to do with nationhood/ immigration. Starmer could ask the government a question about the channel crossings/ use of hotels....an issue that people are concerned about. His namesake Hardie was concerned about immigrants from Lithuanian.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 17:00:01 GMT
Are we not still in the midst of an emergency? The furlough scheme was an emergency measure and is still in place. Apart from the bad PR of putting them in a hotel of a brand that is known for being quite fancy, I'm not sure what the government is supposed to have done here. Prevented the collusion with the French in encouraging " asylum" whist paying them millions to stop it. Despite the virus other aspects of life continue/ other politics. Just like we should be doing something about knife crime/ the homeless/ hope for yong people/ the economy etc The Labour party/ the media and those that think they are on the" left" have tried to undermine the government through the Cummings affair and through the handling of the virus....virtually no impact with the public. This issue will prove to have more resonance with ordinary voters in the long term and again Farage is ahead of the game. Of course Labour/ the left have dug themselves in a hole in areas to do with nationhood/ immigration. Starmer could ask the government a question about the channel crossings/ use of hotels....an issue that people are concerned about. His namesake Hardie was concerned about immigrants from Lithuanian. Question: Literally anything John's answer: "The left"
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 17:06:39 GMT
Prevented the collusion with the French in encouraging " asylum" whist paying them millions to stop it. Despite the virus other aspects of life continue/ other politics. Just like we should be doing something about knife crime/ the homeless/ hope for yong people/ the economy etc The Labour party/ the media and those that think they are on the" left" have tried to undermine the government through the Cummings affair and through the handling of the virus....virtually no impact with the public. This issue will prove to have more resonance with ordinary voters in the long term and again Farage is ahead of the game. Of course Labour/ the left have dug themselves in a hole in areas to do with nationhood/ immigration. Starmer could ask the government a question about the channel crossings/ use of hotels....an issue that people are concerned about. His namesake Hardie was concerned about immigrants from Lithuanian. Question: Literally anything John's answer: "The left" Good of you to take a personal interest. And Elvis and Farage Mind you I am frustrated with those who think that they are on the "the Left"...constantly griping, personal attacks, offering very little and letting down the working class.....in my opinion What do you think of the immigration issue outlined by Farage ....and the Left's ( non existent) stance in it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:05:37 GMT
Question: Literally anything John's answer: "The left" Good of you to take a personal interest. And Elvis and Farage Mind you I am frustrated with those who think that they are on the "the Left"...constantly griping, personal attacks, offering very little and letting down the working class.....in my opinion What do you think of the immigration issue outlined by Farage ....and the Left's ( non existent) stance in it? Hard to ignore, it's your Oatcake raison d'être. Last time I checked the "working class" have a voice and their own vote, they are responsible for their own decision making.......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 18:10:28 GMT
Good of you to take a personal interest. And Elvis and Farage Mind you I am frustrated with those who think that they are on the "the Left"...constantly griping, personal attacks, offering very little and letting down the working class.....in my opinion What do you think of the immigration issue outlined by Farage ....and the Left's ( non existent) stance in it? Hard to ignore, it's your Oatcake raison d'être. Last time I checked the "working class" have a voice and their own vote, they are responsible for their own decision making....... Have you an opinion on illegal immigration ( title of the thread)....or ongoing illegal immigration....or people seeking asylum from the dangers of France.. . Particularly largely young men , not women....amd the " Left's " stance on it?........seems a bit odd to click on such a thread and not to comment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:45:39 GMT
Question: Literally anything John's answer: "The left" Good of you to take a personal interest. And Elvis and Farage Mind you I am frustrated with those who think that they are on the "the Left"...constantly griping, personal attacks, offering very little and letting down the working class.....in my opinion What do you think of the immigration issue outlined by Farage ....and the Left's ( non existent) stance in it? What have you done for the working class recently mate?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 19:00:42 GMT
Good of you to take a personal interest. And Elvis and Farage Mind you I am frustrated with those who think that they are on the "the Left"...constantly griping, personal attacks, offering very little and letting down the working class.....in my opinion What do you think of the immigration issue outlined by Farage ....and the Left's ( non existent) stance in it? What have you done for the working class recently mate? Good question. Perhaps each of us could list things we've done or tried to do in life , depending upon our abilities , interests and opportunities presented to us..I don't particularly want to list what I might have done on here ......mate, do you? People are crying out for representation on issues such as this, in my opinion, and it is largely ignored by the left....don't you think? What I'm talking about on this thread are approaches to immigration....action can only be achieved through political will.....and the Labour Party have failed abysmally in listening to working class concerns. My gripe is with those who believe that they are on " the left", arguing for the disempowered, the exploited etc etc , particularly members of the Labour Party who in reality are turning off and not listening to the ordinary person....particularly those not particularly interested in politics. ......in my opinion they certainly don't represent the views of those who are concerned about immigration.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 31, 2020 19:11:53 GMT
Farage's video will succeed in only thing, not a railing against the system, failing politicians or the violent criminals who prop up the system but abuse and violence against the poor fuckers in the rooms, most of whom are scared, vulnerable and mostly decent human beings looking for a break.
And the dirtiest thing is, Farage fully knows that.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 31, 2020 19:28:32 GMT
Farage's video will succeed in only thing, not a railing against the system, failing politicians or the violent criminals who prop up the system but abuse and violence against the poor fuckers in the rooms, most of whom are scared, vulnerable and mostly decent human beings looking for a break. And the dirtiest thing is, Farage fully knows that. It's dog whistle politics, most people can see that, apart from the ones who respond so actively to it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 19:33:27 GMT
Farage's video will succeed in only thing, not a railing against the system, failing politicians or the violent criminals who prop up the system but abuse and violence against the poor fuckers in the rooms, most of whom are scared, vulnerable and mostly decent human beings looking for a break. And the dirtiest thing is, Farage fully knows that. Personally Sheikh I don't blame the " asylum seekers" for wanting a better life....giving most the benefit of the doubt thst that is what they want. But there are a whole host of issues involved in this. Firstly France is a safe country. France has more room than us. To come into any country illegally is , for me , just wrong....where do you draw the line...a complete free for all....hundreds, thousands in....anybody and everybody unchecked. You cannot say for certain that some of those coming in are not or will be radicalised/ hate the west.....we already have enough problems of inequality homelessness, jobs , the virus ...with the best will in the world we should not be adding to them before we have sorted some of them out......we are creating the potential for more division, cultural clash and possibly terrorism. If we are so intolerant ,why the risk to get here....and what we are doing is supporting the black economy, people trafficking and slavery. The first responsibility of our elected government is to our own citizens as harsh as that may seem to those who simply want to claim the higher moral ground.......it is an unfair world, unfortunately,. Personally I believe that we should try to help in other ways.....and of course should not have been involved in causing some of the problems in the first place. And Farage , as with Brexit, whether you like it or not, is reflecting the views of many of the working class.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:37:15 GMT
Hard to ignore, it's your Oatcake raison d'être. Last time I checked the "working class" have a voice and their own vote, they are responsible for their own decision making....... Have you an opinion on illegal immigration ( title of the thread)....or ongoing illegal immigration....or people seeking asylum from the dangers of France.. . Particularly largely young men , not women....amd the " Left's " stance on it?........seems a bit odd to click on such a thread and not to comment My opinion is if you meddle in the affairs of other countries - often bombing the shit out of them in the process - whilst peddling the line that Western democracy is some kind of Utopia, don't be surprised when those people decide that the UK is the country for them.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:40:35 GMT
What have you done for the working class recently mate? Good question. Perhaps each of us could list things we've done or tried to do in life , depending upon our abilities , interests and opportunities presented to us..I don't particularly want to list what I might have done on here ......mate, do you? People are crying out for representation on issues such as this, in my opinion, and it is largely ignored by the left....don't you think? What I'm talking about on this thread are approaches to immigration....action can only be achieved through political will.....and the Labour Party have failed abysmally in listening to working class concerns. My gripe is with those who believe that they are on " the left", arguing for the disempowered, the exploited etc etc , particularly members of the Labour Party who in reality are turning off and not listening to the ordinary person....particularly those not particularly interested in politics. ......in my opinion they certainly don't represent the views of those who are concerned about immigration. So nothing then..........
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 19:42:05 GMT
Have you an opinion on illegal immigration ( title of the thread)....or ongoing illegal immigration....or people seeking asylum from the dangers of France.. . Particularly largely young men , not women....amd the " Left's " stance on it?........seems a bit odd to click on such a thread and not to comment My opinion is if you meddle in the affairs of other countries - often bombing the shit out of them in the process - whilst peddling the line that Western democracy is some kind of Utopia, don't be surprised when those people decide that the UK is the country for them....... I agree about the meddling, Farage and Galloway have always argued the same. But we are where we are. So am I right to presume that you believe the specific issue of taking as many " asylum seekers" as possible is fine ( nothing wrong with that point of view by the way, wouldn't get many votes politically but I can see the " logic" in it) and the route across the Channel is ok?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 19:43:56 GMT
Good question. Perhaps each of us could list things we've done or tried to do in life , depending upon our abilities , interests and opportunities presented to us..I don't particularly want to list what I might have done on here ......mate, do you? People are crying out for representation on issues such as this, in my opinion, and it is largely ignored by the left....don't you think? What I'm talking about on this thread are approaches to immigration....action can only be achieved through political will.....and the Labour Party have failed abysmally in listening to working class concerns. My gripe is with those who believe that they are on " the left", arguing for the disempowered, the exploited etc etc , particularly members of the Labour Party who in reality are turning off and not listening to the ordinary person....particularly those not particularly interested in politics. ......in my opinion they certainly don't represent the views of those who are concerned about immigration. So nothing then.......... Should I be flattered that it's about me again? Would you like to meet up Prestwich , and we could discuss it, Im free to come to Prestwich after August 10th?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:48:27 GMT
My opinion is if you meddle in the affairs of other countries - often bombing the shit out of them in the process - whilst peddling the line that Western democracy is some kind of Utopia, don't be surprised when those people decide that the UK is the country for them....... I agree about the meddling, Farage and Galloway have always argued the same. But we are where we are. So am I right to presume that you believe the specific issue of taking as many " asylum seekers" as possible is fine ( nothing wrong with that point of view by the way, wouldn't get many votes politically but I can see the " logic" in it) and the route across the Channel is ok? Just out of interest how do you expect someone from war torn Syria with only the clothes on his back to enter the UK other than illegally. He's not likely to rock up at Aleppo International Airport and shout "A one way ticket to London please my man" before walking through the terminal at Heathrow shouting "Where do I claim asylum? The Uk, France and the USA have turned my country into the most lawless place on the planet, my wife is dead and my young daughter has been the victim of human trafficking. Also could you point me in the direction of duty free"
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 31, 2020 19:49:09 GMT
Are we not still in the midst of an emergency? The furlough scheme was an emergency measure and is still in place. Apart from the bad PR of putting them in a hotel of a brand that is known for being quite fancy, I'm not sure what the government is supposed to have done here. Prevented the collusion with the French in encouraging " asylum" whist paying them millions to stop it. Despite the virus other aspects of life continue/ other politics. Just like we should be doing something about knife crime/ the homeless/ hope for yong people/ the economy etc The Labour party/ the media and those that think they are on the" left" have tried to undermine the government through the Cummings affair and through the handling of the virus....virtually no impact with the public. This issue will prove to have more resonance with ordinary voters in the long term and again Farage is ahead of the game. Of course Labour/ the left have dug themselves in a hole in areas to do with nationhood/ immigration. Starmer could ask the government a question about the channel crossings/ use of hotels....an issue that people are concerned about. His namesake Hardie was concerned about immigrants from Lithuanian. What are the details of the collusion between the UK government and France?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:50:23 GMT
So nothing then.......... Should I be flattered that it's about me again? Would you like to meet up Prestwich , and we could discuss it, Im free to come to Prestwich after August 10th? You were asked the question "what have you done?" I saw nothing in your answer to suggest you have done anything. Don't be flattered just tell us. I would happily meet you for a pint John any time you're in the area, although please don't make a special trip.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:54:30 GMT
What have you done for the working class recently mate? Good question. Perhaps each of us could list things we've done or tried to do in life , depending upon our abilities , interests and opportunities presented to us..I don't particularly want to list what I might have done on here ......mate, do you? People are crying out for representation on issues such as this, in my opinion, and it is largely ignored by the left....don't you think? What I'm talking about on this thread are approaches to immigration....action can only be achieved through political will.....and the Labour Party have failed abysmally in listening to working class concerns. My gripe is with those who believe that they are on " the left", arguing for the disempowered, the exploited etc etc , particularly members of the Labour Party who in reality are turning off and not listening to the ordinary person....particularly those not particularly interested in politics. ......in my opinion they certainly don't represent the views of those who are concerned about immigration. So nothing then?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 19:55:39 GMT
Good question. Perhaps each of us could list things we've done or tried to do in life , depending upon our abilities , interests and opportunities presented to us..I don't particularly want to list what I might have done on here ......mate, do you? People are crying out for representation on issues such as this, in my opinion, and it is largely ignored by the left....don't you think? What I'm talking about on this thread are approaches to immigration....action can only be achieved through political will.....and the Labour Party have failed abysmally in listening to working class concerns. My gripe is with those who believe that they are on " the left", arguing for the disempowered, the exploited etc etc , particularly members of the Labour Party who in reality are turning off and not listening to the ordinary person....particularly those not particularly interested in politics. ......in my opinion they certainly don't represent the views of those who are concerned about immigration. So nothing then.......... Beat me to it, you rascal.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 20:02:05 GMT
I agree about the meddling, Farage and Galloway have always argued the same. But we are where we are. So am I right to presume that you believe the specific issue of taking as many " asylum seekers" as possible is fine ( nothing wrong with that point of view by the way, wouldn't get many votes politically but I can see the " logic" in it) and the route across the Channel is ok? Just out of interest how do you expect someone from war torn Syria with only the clothes on his back to enter the UK other than illegally. He's not likely to rock up at Aleppo International Airport and shout "A one way ticket to London please my man" before walking through the terminal at Heathrow shouting "Where do I claim asylum? The Uk, France and the USA have turned my country into the most lawless place on the planet, my wife is dead and my young daughter has been the victim of human trafficking. Also could you point me in the direction of duty free" That's the point, I don't expect them to enter, when they are safe in France....what's wrong with France?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 20:04:51 GMT
Prevented the collusion with the French in encouraging " asylum" whist paying them millions to stop it. Despite the virus other aspects of life continue/ other politics. Just like we should be doing something about knife crime/ the homeless/ hope for yong people/ the economy etc The Labour party/ the media and those that think they are on the" left" have tried to undermine the government through the Cummings affair and through the handling of the virus....virtually no impact with the public. This issue will prove to have more resonance with ordinary voters in the long term and again Farage is ahead of the game. Of course Labour/ the left have dug themselves in a hole in areas to do with nationhood/ immigration. Starmer could ask the government a question about the channel crossings/ use of hotels....an issue that people are concerned about. His namesake Hardie was concerned about immigrants from Lithuanian. What are the details of the collusion between the UK government and France? You'd have to look back into it, basically the French Fleet were bringing " asylum seekers " half way across the Channel to be met by the British fleet.....do youthinkthatthe Frenchare notawareofthesituation....and could be doing somethingaboutit?..I thought that you would be pleased that Farage is criticising the Tory government.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 20:06:56 GMT
Should I be flattered that it's about me again? Would you like to meet up Prestwich , and we could discuss it, Im free to come to Prestwich after August 10th? You were asked the question "what have you done?" I saw nothing in your answer to suggest you have done anything. Don't be flattered just tell us. I would happily meet you for a pint John any time you're in the area, although please don't make a special trip....... That's brilliant, perhaps I could bring Deano as well ? No.problem coming to Prestwich at all , I used to work in Manchester and went to the University myself, do I like a day out there. I'll DM you
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 20:08:38 GMT
Good question. Perhaps each of us could list things we've done or tried to do in life , depending upon our abilities , interests and opportunities presented to us..I don't particularly want to list what I might have done on here ......mate, do you? People are crying out for representation on issues such as this, in my opinion, and it is largely ignored by the left....don't you think? What I'm talking about on this thread are approaches to immigration....action can only be achieved through political will.....and the Labour Party have failed abysmally in listening to working class concerns. My gripe is with those who believe that they are on " the left", arguing for the disempowered, the exploited etc etc , particularly members of the Labour Party who in reality are turning off and not listening to the ordinary person....particularly those not particularly interested in politics. ......in my opinion they certainly don't represent the views of those who are concerned about immigration. So nothing then? Dean, you are so interested in me...if you live fairly. Local , do you want me to pick you up to meet Prestwich? No problem, and in the spirit of friendship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 20:27:32 GMT
Just out of interest how do you expect someone from war torn Syria with only the clothes on his back to enter the UK other than illegally. He's not likely to rock up at Aleppo International Airport and shout "A one way ticket to London please my man" before walking through the terminal at Heathrow shouting "Where do I claim asylum? The Uk, France and the USA have turned my country into the most lawless place on the planet, my wife is dead and my young daughter has been the victim of human trafficking. Also could you point me in the direction of duty free" That's the point, I don't expect them to enter, when they are safe in France....what's wrong with France? If your Eritrean for example, would you rather claim ayslum in Germany where you 50,000 other Eritrean's live, London where the bulk of Britain's 17,500 Eritrean's live, or France where there's less than a 1,000? You would want to move somewhere with a community, a support network, a place to stay. If there's no legal way of claiming asylum other than one that is out of reach for 99% of people fleeing the various countries across the world, are you therefore saying that Britain shouldn't take in anyone? There is of course a way of protecting people from putting their lives at risk in home made boats with too many people on them. We could take our fair share, so for example under the Syrian Vulnerable Persons Scheme we agreed to rehouse 20,000 Syrians (we actaully took in 5,000) To put that into context Germany took in hundreds of thousands and currently have over 500,000 Syrians residing there. When you try and police the world, bomb the shit out of countries in the name of neoliberalism, then refuse to help mop up the mess you made, it reflects rather badly as far as I'm concerned......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 20:42:05 GMT
That's the point, I don't expect them to enter, when they are safe in France....what's wrong with France? If your Eritrean for example, would you rather claim ayslum in Germany where you 50,000 other Eritrean's live, London where the bulk of Britain's 17,500 Eritrean's live, or France where there's less than a 1,000? You would want to move somewhere with a community, a support network, a place to stay. If there's no legal way of claiming asylum other than one that is out of reach for 99% of people fleeing the various countries across the world, are you therefore saying that Britain shouldn't take in anyone? There is of course a way of protecting people from putting their lives at risk in home made boats with too many people on them. We could take our fair share, so for example under the Syrian Vulnerable Persons Scheme we agreed to rehouse 20,000 Syrians (we actaully took in 5,000) To put that into context Germany took in hundreds of thousands and currently have over 500,000 Syrians residing there. When you try and police the world, bomb the shit out of countries in the name of neoliberalism, then refuse to help mop up the mess you made, it reflects rather badly as far as I'm concerned...... As I say , similar to Farage and Galloway , I was against our intervention. There are many things historically for which many contries are " guilty" of making worse. I don't think that illegal immigration is right.( that was what the video was about that started this little interlude). I don't think it is the answer either. Although it does make those who believe in it feel better about themselves. As I've said , I don't blame some of the ' asylum seekers ' for wanting to come here..... But Its a harsh world....I dont think we should condone anything illegal. Some of the asylum seekers may go on to resent the Western values and it could lead to unrest. We have enough problems. It is the first responsibility of the UK government to look after the electorate...particularly its safety....as much as you don't like hearing it, until the left grasp this ,they are unlikely to gain a lot of support , especially from the workinh class. Also I think that we already have a problem with overcrowding and the pressure that brings onto the infrastructure....we have not even solved the problem of our rough sleepers without adding to it. Personally I think
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 20:45:04 GMT
If your Eritrean for example, would you rather claim ayslum in Germany where you 50,000 other Eritrean's live, London where the bulk of Britain's 17,500 Eritrean's live, or France where there's less than a 1,000? You would want to move somewhere with a community, a support network, a place to stay. If there's no legal way of claiming asylum other than one that is out of reach for 99% of people fleeing the various countries across the world, are you therefore saying that Britain shouldn't take in anyone? There is of course a way of protecting people from putting their lives at risk in home made boats with too many people on them. We could take our fair share, so for example under the Syrian Vulnerable Persons Scheme we agreed to rehouse 20,000 Syrians (we actaully took in 5,000) To put that into context Germany took in hundreds of thousands and currently have over 500,000 Syrians residing there. When you try and police the world, bomb the shit out of countries in the name of neoliberalism, then refuse to help mop up the mess you made, it reflects rather badly as far as I'm concerned...... As I say , similar to Farage and Galloway , I was against our intervention. There are many things historically for which many contries are " guilty" of making worse. I don't think that illegal immigration is right.( that was what the video was about that started this little interlude). I don't think it is the answer either. Although it does make those who believe in it feel better about themselves. As I've said , I don't blame some of the ' asylum seekers ' for wanting to come here..... But Its a harsh world....I dont think we should condone anything illegal. Some of the asylum seekers may go on to resent the Western values and it could lead to unrest. We have enough problems. It is the first responsibility of the UK government to look after the electorate...particularly its safety....as much as you don't like hearing it, until the left grasp this ,they are unlikely to gain a lot of support , especially from the workinh class. Also I think that we already have a problem with overcrowding and the pressure that brings onto the infrastructure....we have not even solved the problem of our rough sleepers without adding to it. Personally I think We solved the issue of rough sleeping during the pandemic in the blink of an eye John, then we tossed them back out on the streets when things improved. When was the last time you heard a government say "We can't afford to intervene in Libya/Syria/Afghanistan it's just too expensive?" It doesn't happen, the money always magically appears......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 31, 2020 20:49:08 GMT
As I say , similar to Farage and Galloway , I was against our intervention. There are many things historically for which many contries are " guilty" of making worse. I don't think that illegal immigration is right.( that was what the video was about that started this little interlude). I don't think it is the answer either. Although it does make those who believe in it feel better about themselves. As I've said , I don't blame some of the ' asylum seekers ' for wanting to come here..... But Its a harsh world....I dont think we should condone anything illegal. Some of the asylum seekers may go on to resent the Western values and it could lead to unrest. We have enough problems. It is the first responsibility of the UK government to look after the electorate...particularly its safety....as much as you don't like hearing it, until the left grasp this ,they are unlikely to gain a lot of support , especially from the workinh class. Also I think that we already have a problem with overcrowding and the pressure that brings onto the infrastructure....we have not even solved the problem of our rough sleepers without adding to it. Personally I think We solved the issue of rough sleeping during the pandemic in the blink of an eye John, then we tossed them back out on the streets when things improved. When was the last time you heard a politician say "We can't afford to intervene in Libya/Syria/Afghanistan it's just too expensive?" It doesn't happen, the money always magically appears...... There are many , many " problems " that we haven't solved...in many ways we are storing up problems for future generations. The NHS and crime levels are two obvious issues. We don't need to be adding to them . And yes , by " we" I do mean the UK
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 31, 2020 21:31:04 GMT
What are the details of the collusion between the UK government and France? You'd have to look back into it, basically the French Fleet were bringing " asylum seekers " half way across the Channel to be met by the British fleet.....do youthinkthatthe Frenchare notawareofthesituation....and could be doing somethingaboutit?..I thought that you would be pleased that Farage is criticising the Tory government. The only thing I can find that sounds like what you say is a video made by Nigel Farage. Is that what you're talking about?
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