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Post by jarhead on Feb 15, 2020 18:50:48 GMT
QPR haven’t won in 5 games, haven’t scored a goal in the last 3. Stoke turn up and they smash 4 in from 2-0 down. Stoke deserve to go down. That really does sum this Farce up!
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 15, 2020 18:54:03 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. I wish it was one bad performance......and I don't think the players give a shit because the alternative is that they really are shit players. We lost at home in midweek following a poor second half performance and the last away game conceded 4 goals against a team that could have been dragged into a relegation battle had we won. So considering our performances in 3 of the last 4 games I would suggest that unless MON can change things dramatically we are deservedly going down.
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Post by borat on Feb 15, 2020 18:56:19 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. AMEN
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Post by loosestools on Feb 15, 2020 18:57:18 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. With respect philm, the players have shown they occasionally listen to the Manager. This has been shown in sporadically of late. HOWEVER , getting the absolute basics right in football is a given If you are a professional, and what was on show today was absolutely appaling. No wonder people get fucked off when a PROFESSIONAL cant even get the basics right And YES I would hazard a majority of them genuinely cant be arsed I Just laugh at them now.... they mean nothing to me I am distraught, and very, very angry. Dog under the table in a safe place and wife gone to see her mother, because I am in a vile mood and certainly not laughing.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2020 19:02:00 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. AMEN We have lost 19 games, in this league. Those players have to take some responsibility. Our current form is pretty shit, so we are seeing a reversion to type aren't we? Rather than the abnormality of the boost we had briefly. Wake up ffs. With the injuries, the shortage of players, that kind of performance isn't even a one off and the same players do shit time and time again.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2020 19:06:10 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. Actually it hasn't been. It was 7th firm before today, after today its more mid table. I personally think mud table championship is an insult for their wages, their reputations and the money spent. I thought today was an absolute joke, amongst many many other days this season and last. If they owe anything to anyone it's the fans, who they blatantly don't give a shit about, so yeah... Wankers. Put the effort in or gtfo. I don't think we will see many of them playing for stoke during the next 4 years, and yes these coming years will most likely be shit as they run down their contracts We have lost 3 in 4, 2 were drubbings. Preston second half was reverting to type, we were shit, at home, spineless. So im not on board with your positivity, I find it misplaced and unfounded given the current injuries, our position, our lack of responsible and fight in pretty urgent circumstances. We go down and I'm certain it's curtains for a long long time, this league is an embarrassment as it is You say it is not play off form and then immediately contradict yourself by saying we are 7th in the form table ... that means one place outside the playoffs! And that includes the Preston defeat which was totally undeserved and the Derby drubbing which was also never a 4-0. And MON has achieved our results from a pretty atrocious position. I am not talking about many other performances this season and last - I am talking about what this manager has done and what this group of players have done under that manager. And don't understand why you would expect them to give a shit about you give you hold them all in such contempt? Either way, they have put in plenty of effort. It was maybe a lack of effort that helped us get relegated but this team has showed plenty of fight in recent weeks. And it is simply incorrect to say we have received two drubbings in our last four. Derby was a drubbing on paper granted. Today we lost by two goals. Hardly a drubbing. And prior to this four game streak we were on a solid run. We can turn this around and the manager deserve our backing and less of the kind of spineless negativity that people like you are spreading.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 15, 2020 19:06:46 GMT
Lets just hope the players have a bit more backbone than some fans.
If we finish where we are 4th bottom, then we don't deserve to go down, thems the rules.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2020 19:10:12 GMT
Actually it hasn't been. It was 7th firm before today, after today its more mid table. I personally think mud table championship is an insult for their wages, their reputations and the money spent. I thought today was an absolute joke, amongst many many other days this season and last. If they owe anything to anyone it's the fans, who they blatantly don't give a shit about, so yeah... Wankers. Put the effort in or gtfo. I don't think we will see many of them playing for stoke during the next 4 years, and yes these coming years will most likely be shit as they run down their contracts We have lost 3 in 4, 2 were drubbings. Preston second half was reverting to type, we were shit, at home, spineless. So im not on board with your positivity, I find it misplaced and unfounded given the current injuries, our position, our lack of responsible and fight in pretty urgent circumstances. We go down and I'm certain it's curtains for a long long time, this league is an embarrassment as it is You say it is not play off form and then immediately contradict yourself by saying we are 7th in the form table ... that means one place outside the playoffs! And that includes the Preston defeat which was totally undeserved and the Derby drubbing which was also never a 4-0. And MON has achieved our results from a pretty atrocious position. I am not talking about many other performances this season and last - I am talking about what this manager has done and what this group of players have done under that manager. And don't understand why you would expect them to give a shit about you give you hold them all in such contempt? Either way, they have put in plenty of effort. It was maybe a lack of effort that helped us get relegated but this team has showed plenty of fight in recent weeks. And it is simply incorrect to say we have received two drubbings in our last four. Derby was a drubbing on paper granted. Today we lost by two goals. Hardly a drubbing. And prior to this four game streak we were on a solid run. We can turn this around and the manager deserve our backing and less of the kind of spineless negativity that people like you are spreading. We "were" before today, 7th isn't playoff form either, after today its like 12th form, really nothing to boast about. The last 4 games we have amounted 3 points, recent form is 5 games. Today was an absolute drubbing. They could have had 10. In the last 4 games we have had spells but nothing more. Where is the defense? Grinding out wins? Quality? It's non existent and our wins area usually against teams around or below us, yet qpr blew us away today and they were crap.
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Post by bangorstokie on Feb 15, 2020 19:21:11 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. There are only two words to describe you mate, FUCKING DELUSIONAL. 19 games we've lost so far. 19 fucking games!!! This pile of shit deserve to go down. A league one outfit masquerading as a Championship side.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 15, 2020 19:22:31 GMT
Actually it hasn't been. It was 7th firm before today, after today its more mid table. I personally think mud table championship is an insult for their wages, their reputations and the money spent. I thought today was an absolute joke, amongst many many other days this season and last. If they owe anything to anyone it's the fans, who they blatantly don't give a shit about, so yeah... Wankers. Put the effort in or gtfo. I don't think we will see many of them playing for stoke during the next 4 years, and yes these coming years will most likely be shit as they run down their contracts We have lost 3 in 4, 2 were drubbings. Preston second half was reverting to type, we were shit, at home, spineless. So im not on board with your positivity, I find it misplaced and unfounded given the current injuries, our position, our lack of responsible and fight in pretty urgent circumstances. We go down and I'm certain it's curtains for a long long time, this league is an embarrassment as it is You say it is not play off form and then immediately contradict yourself by saying we are 7th in the form table ... that means one place outside the playoffs! And that includes the Preston defeat which was totally undeserved and the Derby drubbing which was also never a 4-0. And MON has achieved our results from a pretty atrocious position. I am not talking about many other performances this season and last - I am talking about what this manager has done and what this group of players have done under that manager. And don't understand why you would expect them to give a shit about you give you hold them all in such contempt? Either way, they have put in plenty of effort. It was maybe a lack of effort that helped us get relegated but this team has showed plenty of fight in recent weeks. And it is simply incorrect to say we have received two drubbings in our last four. Derby was a drubbing on paper granted. Today we lost by two goals. Hardly a drubbing. And prior to this four game streak we were on a solid run. We can turn this around and the manager deserve our backing and less of the kind of spineless negativity that people like you are spreading. I don’t get this we didn’t deserve to lose against Preston stuff? I don’t remember Rudd pulling off Worldy saves, and I certainly don’t remember us having two gilt edged chances inside the 6 yard box, which Preston did. They did a very professional job on us- something we failed badly to do today. Yes, we lost by two but you contradict yourself because you know ( if you watched any stream) that QPR missed 3 absolute sitters- we were stuffed out of sight from the moment QPR scored their first. Derby was the performance of a team shit scared of one big name player- Citynick is right; our current form against teams who we could reasonably have expected to take more than 3 points against is that of a team fast running out of time to rescue itself.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 15, 2020 19:23:07 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. There are only two words to describe you mate, FUCKING DELUSIONAL. 19 games we've lost so far. 19 fucking games!!! This pile of shit deserve to go down. A league one outfit masquerading as a Championship side. Agreed Schmede.
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Post by robstokie on Feb 15, 2020 20:42:54 GMT
For most of the seaon I've thought we were going down. We are mid table division one class with some of the players on premiership wages. How did it get to this? It's been a three year car crash! If we do go down we might just keep on falling, it's happened to others - Portsmouth for example Coventry and Bolton too. The Bolton situation has frightening paralels - Over-hyped squad who thought they were above a relegation fight in the prem, then spent money and thought they would walk the championship, didn't happen and they couldn't afford to pay out big contracts to average players and mercenaries, and the rest is history. Think MON has performed miracles really just to get us to where we are now - he hasn't had any money to spend, his hands have been tied with FFP - Thompson's a gamble at a lowish price as he's worked with him before and thinks he can get the best out of him, Oakley Boothe is another one for the future, and Chester's probably being subsidised by Villa as they will want to put him in the shop window. Even if the worst happens, I don't want the club to take it out on MON - firstly we need stability, we've been through 5 managers in just over 2 years, plus MON has bought out infinitely more from the squad than his predecessor did - and his predecessor had a whole half a season to bring in his 'processes'!
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 15, 2020 20:43:28 GMT
Personally I think people like you are the wankers. Since MON has come in the team and the most of the players have been performing pretty well. It has been play off form. We were unlucky against Preston midweek. Certainly did not deserve to lose it. One bad performance and it is all doom and gloom and all these bullshit references to the players not giving a shit and deserving relegation. It's fucking pathetic. Which "one' bad performance are you referring to wanker? Derby, Preston or QPR. Just so we can be clear about this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 23:31:44 GMT
I'm always positive even after defeat BUT FUCK THE LOT OF EM, I HOPE O'NEILL KICKS ARSE FOR A WEEK, DISGRACE. Why is O’Neill exempt? Jones would’ve been in the firing line
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Post by millennialfalcon on Feb 15, 2020 23:36:03 GMT
I'm always positive even after defeat BUT FUCK THE LOT OF EM, I HOPE O'NEILL KICKS ARSE FOR A WEEK, DISGRACE. Why is O’Neill exempt? Jones would’ve been in the firing line no one should be in any "firing line". Forgiveness is important bro
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Post by pushon on Feb 15, 2020 23:42:44 GMT
Actually it hasn't been. It was 7th firm before today, after today its more mid table. I personally think mud table championship is an insult for their wages, their reputations and the money spent. I thought today was an absolute joke, amongst many many other days this season and last. If they owe anything to anyone it's the fans, who they blatantly don't give a shit about, so yeah... Wankers. Put the effort in or gtfo. I don't think we will see many of them playing for stoke during the next 4 years, and yes these coming years will most likely be shit as they run down their contracts We have lost 3 in 4, 2 were drubbings. Preston second half was reverting to type, we were shit, at home, spineless. So im not on board with your positivity, I find it misplaced and unfounded given the current injuries, our position, our lack of responsible and fight in pretty urgent circumstances. We go down and I'm certain it's curtains for a long long time, this league is an embarrassment as it is You say it is not play off form and then immediately contradict yourself by saying we are 7th in the form table ... that means one place outside the playoffs! And that includes the Preston defeat which was totally undeserved and the Derby drubbing which was also never a 4-0. And MON has achieved our results from a pretty atrocious position. I am not talking about many other performances this season and last - I am talking about what this manager has done and what this group of players have done under that manager. And don't understand why you would expect them to give a shit about you give you hold them all in such contempt? Either way, they have put in plenty of effort. It was maybe a lack of effort that helped us get relegated but this team has showed plenty of fight in recent weeks. And it is simply incorrect to say we have received two drubbings in our last four. Derby was a drubbing on paper granted. Today we lost by two goals. Hardly a drubbing. And prior to this four game streak we were on a solid run. We can turn this around and the manager deserve our backing and less of the kind of spineless negativity that people like you are spreading. I admire your optimism, though I do find it misguided. With half decent finishing by QPR today, we'd have lost by the proverbial cricket score. Trying to "defend the indefensible" springs to mind, sad though it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 23:42:45 GMT
I've seen it mentioned on other threads, but again, I feel that this squad deserves to go down. The CEO deserves another relegation as do the owners for their lack of football understanding, basically their lack of connection with the fans, anything football related, any form of perspective basically... There's players that try, wear the badge on their shit, then there's Stoke players. Toothless, spineless, gutless, no cohesion, shushing the crowd, "we know what we have to do" etc. I'm pretty sure the club will be destroyed by ffp if we do down, but we probably deserve it. Don't we? Wankers I think that's going too bleeding far. We had a bad game, away, and another the week before, but we are very much on the mend. We are bottom six because we are bottom six quality, but we are actually still 3 pts ahead of the relegation zone plus with a better GD. Everything is still in our hands. I think O'Neill despite guarded comments in the presser will have been appalled at some of what he saw and will be making notes towards which players should be moved on in the summer. There could be some surprises.
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Post by musik on Feb 15, 2020 23:53:50 GMT
Anyone playing against a team with Geoff fucking cameron and conceding 3 goals deserve go down. ... or 4.
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Post by musik on Feb 15, 2020 23:55:34 GMT
Outplayed by Preston. A disgrace vs Derby. And against QPR even worse.
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Post by tosh on Feb 16, 2020 0:06:23 GMT
Anyone playing against a team with Geoff fucking cameron and conceding 3 goals deserve go down. ... or 4. Cameron’s not an outstanding footballer, but as someone has said elsewhere, he’s as good or better than any of the players we have replaced him with, in any of the positions that he played for us.
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Post by tosh on Feb 16, 2020 0:14:57 GMT
I'm always positive even after defeat BUT FUCK THE LOT OF EM, I HOPE O'NEILL KICKS ARSE FOR A WEEK, DISGRACE. Why is O’Neill exempt? Jones would’ve been in the firing line O’Neill should be exempt because he has done a good job (and much better than Jones) with the dross of a squad he inherited, and he cannot quickly improve it because of financial restraints and the ridiculous contracts some of our poorest players are on. We are very unlikely to get someone better to sort this mess out, but it could easily take two or three seasons to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 0:21:48 GMT
I'm always positive even after defeat BUT FUCK THE LOT OF EM, I HOPE O'NEILL KICKS ARSE FOR A WEEK, DISGRACE. Why is O’Neill exempt? Jones would’ve been in the firing line MON is exempt because he is sorting out the monumental problem that Jones created. Very likely such a huge problem that cannot be solved this season, or maybe even next season.
You ask why MON is exempt?
Words fail me ...
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 16, 2020 6:36:45 GMT
Cameron’s not an outstanding footballer, but as someone has said elsewhere, he’s as good or better than any of the players we have replaced him with, in any of the positions that he played for us. Stay off the sauce mate, He's shit and with his new pony tail looks the biggest bellend on the pitch.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 16, 2020 10:32:23 GMT
There are a few players at this club who deserve to go Down,none more deserving than that waste of space Ince.
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 16, 2020 10:35:13 GMT
I firmly believe we need to finish above huddersfield to stay up, and fuck me every time we have a chance of going above them we fuck it up.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 16, 2020 11:09:10 GMT
I agree about the Preston, I don't think we deserved to get anything from the game. They outmuscled us and were comfortable winners in the end, we wouldn't have scored if we were still playing them now. You get teams like Preston in every league, they are not pretty, horrible teams, but they know how to get over the line in most situations and they worked our vulnerabilities during the game, and we couldn't find any in them.
QPR run us ragged yesterday, lucky for us that it was just 4, they missed a fair few sitters. Any team in this league will look at that and think they can get through us. We can't handle any decent level of intensity, pace, movement, pressure on the ball (especially in midfield). We just have to hope we come across enough teams who are not on it on the day.
This division is so hard to call, anyone can beat anyone...so its a lottery, we just need to scramble enough points... the jury is out for me.
After yesterday all bottom 3 teams will think they can stay up.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 16, 2020 11:16:41 GMT
Last poster is spot on, every team below us will believe they can stay up after yesterday. We have so many potential 6 pointers coming up it is very much in our hands, but that also puts it very much on a knifes edge. I think & believe we can win any of the remaining matches, home or away, 4 may be enough, but I also think relegation is a real possibility..What has surprised me is how Lindsay has been jettisoned completely since he started to improve and grow in the team.
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Post by exshed on Feb 16, 2020 12:07:41 GMT
Following recent 'hating other clubs' topic, seems like some of its supporters real hate is Stoke ! Oatcake has lots of evidence of their classic Premiership withdrawal symptoms and fear of further hurt and humiliation of e.g. losing at home in the Potteries derby and defeat at Crawley. Please get real because: The average position of a football league club is around bottom half of Championship/top half of League One so Stoke are currently 'normal'. In any case, Stoke=Coventry/ Hull/ Sunderland small city and club not Birmingham/Liverpool/Manchester/Newcastle and even big city Leeds cannot sustain Premiership. There may be some glory years, currently for the Brighton, Bournemouth, Norwich and Watfords, but history suggests they won't last. Also, remember that Man City had a bad patch and may be getting another if the money dries-up !
Football success is now more than ever related to quantity of cash for and management of players. Supporters are now less relevant, especially in Premiership when/where match receipts at a small stadium would only be about a tenth of club revenue. Won't comment on Stoke players but supporter hatred of owners/directors in only fairly typical situation at every club. My grandfather inducted me at Elland Rd. in all the Popular Side grievances, going back to the early 1930's !
However, while entitled to criticise the motives and performance of owners, most supporters would swap their owners for the commitment of Coates family. Hope this helps and I still don't hate Stoke, despite some sod suggesting that Madeley was 'dirty'. Norman Bites Yer Legs OK but Paul was a gentleman.
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Post by Godo on Feb 16, 2020 12:51:21 GMT
.............That'll be the 3 teams who achieve the lowest points total.
I don't think Allen, Clucas, McClean, Powell or Campbell deserve to go down and as for Mr O'Neill he must be as confused as the rest of us.
We have been a badly run and shit club since around about January 2017. There has been accumulation after accumulation of bad decision making and incompetence, appalling recruitment and no leadership from the executive. Hughes should have gone at the end of 2016/17. If at that stage we had appointed someone of O'Neills quality and given him the transfer fees and wages that we have pissed away on shit like Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino etc, past it players like Ward or people not good enough like Bauer, Batth and Vokes, people without the character to be loyal and work to improve things like Etebo and Badou and useless loan signings then, although impossible to prove, I'm sure we'd be still in the Premiership and be a Burnley level club. So Mr O'Neil IS "exempt" in my view and if we didn't have him and had retained Jones any longer we'd be more or less down already. Chester is his signing and has certainly disappointed in the last 2 games but for most of the time he looks a quality above what we have in terms of mobility and composure on the ball. I'd have liked to have seen Collins have an extended run but I trust the manager to make the right judgment call based on what he sees day in day out.
The best we can do is support the team, whether some of the players are deserving of that support or not, because we the fans will be real victims of relegation because you can bet that prick Scholes hasn't got proper relegation clauses in the players contracts. If we want to attract the right sort of players we be more able to do that if we set the right atmosphere in the stadium rather than being whiney entitled bitches. Hopefully MON knows who he can rely on, knows who has to leave and that prick Scholes needs to begin to earn his money by finding ways to get all of the shit off the wage bill. We certainly won't earn much if anything in transfers for any of them now that we have allowed Badou and Etebo to go on long term loans. We cannot judge the manager until he is able to operate without both hands tied behind his back. We all know we need a left back, competition in wide areas but how we deliver that set against the current wage bill/squad size I don't know. Be careful what you wish for because we could end up being the next Bolton not just the next Sunderland …...
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