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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 21:58:21 GMT
Man City have won nothing in Europe and AC Milan got banned also You sure Man City have won nothing in Europe,you might want to check who won the 1970 Cup Winners Cup. Fair point. Shows their domination you're right.
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Post by 1982stokie on Feb 17, 2020 13:16:52 GMT
FFP was brought in by the big clubs to stop the smaller clubs coming up and entering their dance floor. Now its biting the big clubs back. Pisser. But please fuck it off so we can spend again. This is spot on, However I would argue that Man City are still relatively new to the top table and are probably seen as one of the smaller clubs who have risen above there station and are now been put back in their place. I imagine UEFA are praying Man United finish 5th so they can have one of their old school elite back.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 17, 2020 19:16:19 GMT
There is talk in some sections that if found guilty(by the league) they should face the same punishment as Rangers and Juventus and be demoted to the lowest division.
The premier league won't have the bollocks to do that would they?, word is their rules on FFP are similar to UEFA and they are waiting to see what happens in the appeal before they make a move.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 20:00:51 GMT
FFP was brought in by the big clubs to stop the smaller clubs coming up and entering their dance floor. Now its biting the big clubs back. Pisser. But please fuck it off so we can spend again. This is spot on, However I would argue that Man City are still relatively new to the top table and are probably seen as one of the smaller clubs who have risen above there station and are now been put back in their place. I imagine UEFA are praying Man United finish 5th so they can have one of their old school elite back. AC Milan are as big of an old school elite as you could get.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 19, 2020 17:29:13 GMT
Was FFP brought in by the top clubs? I thought it was brought in to stop Bradfords and Portsmouth’s, I’m sure there are European examples too. The governing bodies would have needed sign off from the majority of clubs but I’m not sure their role was that big.
It will be under the guise of sustainability and ensuring owners act responsibly but I can’t join the dots with why owners aren’t allowed to input cash as long as it’s not a loan or in exchange for anything from the club.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2020 17:41:35 GMT
Was FFP brought in by the top clubs? I thought it was brought in to stop Bradfords and Portsmouth’s, I’m sure there are European examples too. The governing bodies would have needed sign off from the majority of clubs but I’m not sure their role was that big. It will be under the guise of sustainability and ensuring owners act responsibly but I can’t join the dots with why owners aren’t allowed to input cash as long as it’s not a loan or in exchange for anything from the club. Presumably because such cash inputs aren't guaranteed to continue. Ie club signs players on contracts that a club's 'normal' revenue wouldn't support but difference is made up by rich owner. If rich owner's cash dries up or he/she decides they no longer wish to fund then wages aren't paid and the club goes bust.
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Post by waffles on Feb 19, 2020 18:02:53 GMT
Was FFP brought in by the top clubs? I thought it was brought in to stop Bradfords and Portsmouth’s, I’m sure there are European examples too. The governing bodies would have needed sign off from the majority of clubs but I’m not sure their role was that big. It will be under the guise of sustainability and ensuring owners act responsibly but I can’t join the dots with why owners aren’t allowed to input cash as long as it’s not a loan or in exchange for anything from the club. Presumably because such cash inputs aren't guaranteed to continue. Ie club signs players on contracts that a club's 'normal' revenue wouldn't support but difference is made up by rich owner. If rich owner's cash dries up or he/she decides they no longer wish to fund then wages aren't paid and the club goes bust. Very good point
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 20, 2020 14:14:50 GMT
Jesusmcmuffin do u think a English club could sign a striker outside the transfer window as Barcelona have just done as I said rules for barcelona and real different rules for the reSt of Europe.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 20, 2020 14:41:11 GMT
Jesusmcmuffin do u think a English club could sign a striker outside the transfer window as Barcelona have just done as I said rules for barcelona and real different rules for the reSt of Europe. It’s the La Liga who have allowed this to happen. Nothing to do with English clubs, Premier League, FA, UEFA etc. You could imagine Premier League having a similar rule though.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 14:44:25 GMT
Jesusmcmuffin do u think a English club could sign a striker outside the transfer window as Barcelona have just done as I said rules for barcelona and real different rules for the reSt of Europe. Literally NOTHING to do with it. The transfer rules are set by each country's FA not UEFA or FIFA. We couldn't do it because the English FA rules don't allow it. The English FA could put exactly the same rule re: emergency transfers in if they wanted to but they haven't. We just have the emergency loan rule for goalkeepers (which, again was decided on by the English FA not UEFA or FIFA) Each individual association's rules just have to abide by certain loose guidelines set down by FIFA. The Barca transfer fits within the Spanish FAs current rules and literally ANY Spanish club could do the same as it's an actual FA rule over there. The reason most clubs don't do it there, is simply because you have to activate the player's release clause (which are mandatory over there), which most clubs can't afford to do, so they simply make do with what they've got. It isn't anything to do with UEFA,FIFA,FFP and has literally nothing to do with not favouring English teams. The reason we can't do it is simply because the ENGLISH FA don't allow it.
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Post by lifelong on Feb 20, 2020 14:55:35 GMT
see also the Barcelona post
UEFA are the governing body
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 20, 2020 15:07:13 GMT
If National Bodies aren't allowed to set their own rules (that in the main align with UEFA's overall rules) but have exceptions, how on Earth do you explain the French Joker Transfer window? Where clubs are allowed to sign one domestic player outside the approved transfer deadlines.
Just a couple of weeks ago we saw the Premier League vote to change its transfer deadline etc
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 20, 2020 15:21:56 GMT
If National Bodies aren't allowed to set their own rules (that in the main align with UEFA's overall rules) but have exceptions, how on Earth do you explain the French Joker Transfer window? Where clubs are allowed to sign one domestic player outside the approved transfer deadlines. Just a couple of weeks ago we saw the Premier League vote to change its transfer deadline etc But the point is if FIFA (UEFA) didn't sanction these unfair exemptions enjoyed by other European Leagues then they wouldn't be allowed. UEFA and ultimately FIFA are the regulators of the European/worldwide game. I'm sure the Premier League wouldn't be allowed to lengthen it's summer window to, say, the end of November, thus giving them a huge advantage over European teams. Just out of interest does anyone know if Braithwaite can play in the Champions League?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 15:26:00 GMT
If National Bodies aren't allowed to set their own rules (that in the main align with UEFA's overall rules) but have exceptions, how on Earth do you explain the French Joker Transfer window? Where clubs are allowed to sign one domestic player outside the approved transfer deadlines. Just a couple of weeks ago we saw the Premier League vote to change its transfer deadline etc But the point is if FIFA (UEFA) didn't sanction these unfair exemptions enjoyed by other European Leagues then they wouldn't be allowed. UEFA and ultimately FIFA are the regulators of the European/worldwide game. I'm sure the Premier League wouldn't be allowed to lengthen it's summer window to, say, the end of November, thus giving them a huge advantage over European teams. Just out of interest does anyone know if Braithwaite can play in the Champions League? No
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 20, 2020 15:28:39 GMT
If National Bodies aren't allowed to set their own rules (that in the main align with UEFA's overall rules) but have exceptions, how on Earth do you explain the French Joker Transfer window? Where clubs are allowed to sign one domestic player outside the approved transfer deadlines. Just a couple of weeks ago we saw the Premier League vote to change its transfer deadline etc But the point is if FIFA (UEFA) didn't sanction these unfair exemptions enjoyed by other European Leagues then they wouldn't be allowed. UEFA and ultimately FIFA are the regulators of the European/worldwide game. I'm sure the Premier League wouldn't be allowed to lengthen it's summer window to, say, the end of November, thus giving them a huge advantage over European teams. Just out of interest does anyone know if Braithwaite can play in the Champions League? No he can only play in La Liga. That's why I said roughly align, the transfer has no bearing on European Competition as he can't play, thus it's not in the purview of UEFA. Changing the transfer deadline date to the end of November, for all clubs within that league, at the expense of other clubs non-domestic to that league without the criteria of an "emergency" is light years away from what's just happened with Braithwaite. It's the same with FFP, UEFA's FFP is way more stringent than the Premier League's and Man City failing UEFA's regulations only applies because they are in UEFA competitions. That's why the PL is still investigating Man City even though they were found guilty by UEFA.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 20, 2020 17:45:29 GMT
Was FFP brought in by the top clubs? I thought it was brought in to stop Bradfords and Portsmouth’s, I’m sure there are European examples too. The governing bodies would have needed sign off from the majority of clubs but I’m not sure their role was that big. It will be under the guise of sustainability and ensuring owners act responsibly but I can’t join the dots with why owners aren’t allowed to input cash as long as it’s not a loan or in exchange for anything from the club. Presumably because such cash inputs aren't guaranteed to continue. Ie club signs players on contracts that a club's 'normal' revenue wouldn't support but difference is made up by rich owner. If rich owner's cash dries up or he/she decides they no longer wish to fund then wages aren't paid and the club goes bust. Good point. I know it would be an admin headache but it would great if FFP required the clubs to consider their future commitments. This could then allow owners to invest but cover all costs made on their watch OR they have to maintain a revenue cost parity. It almost boils down to whether we as fans are happy to be bought success or whether we would prefer it's distributed to those that have to earnt it by 'being well run'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 18:46:29 GMT
Jesusmcmuffin do u think a English club could sign a striker outside the transfer window as Barcelona have just done as I said rules for barcelona and real different rules for the reSt of Europe. No because that's a rule that La Liga have sanctioned and nothing to do with English clubs. He can only play in their domestic league. It's a rule for La Liga not Barcelona and of course has nothing to do with the rest of Europe or English clubs. Other Spanish clubs have done it so it isn't a rule for Barca
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 20, 2020 23:36:39 GMT
Was FFP brought in by the top clubs? I thought it was brought in to stop Bradfords and Portsmouth’s, I’m sure there are European examples too. The governing bodies would have needed sign off from the majority of clubs but I’m not sure their role was that big. It will be under the guise of sustainability and ensuring owners act responsibly but I can’t join the dots with why owners aren’t allowed to input cash as long as it’s not a loan or in exchange for anything from the club. Presumably because such cash inputs aren't guaranteed to continue. Ie club signs players on contracts that a club's 'normal' revenue wouldn't support but difference is made up by rich owner. If rich owner's cash dries up or he/she decides they no longer wish to fund then wages aren't paid and the club goes bust. Simple solution. If Sugar Daddy/Mommy wants to spend big for his/her pleything, They have to put in escrow the full amount of commitment or suitable guarantees (surety bond, insurance, or whatever). So PC wants to sign rising star Gianelli Imbula for 5 years, he has to pay the transfer fee of 18 M and put in escrow a further 13 M being the annual salry (2.6 M) for 5 years. Voila, no club going bankrupt and your success will only be limited by the size of your Sugar Daddy's bank balance. Personally, I think this is absolutely the wrong way to go and we should be looking at team and individual based salary caps and local/youth quotas of total minutes played not just in the squad. But hey, it;ll never happen and we will see Billion Pound transfer fees within the next 15 years. Feel free to bookmark this so you can prove me wrong!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 21, 2020 5:56:25 GMT
Simple solution. If Sugar Daddy/Mommy wants to spend big for his/her pleything, They have to put in escrow the full amount of commitment or suitable guarantees (surety bond, insurance, or whatever). So PC wants to sign rising star Gianelli Imbula for 5 years, he has to pay the transfer fee of 18 M and put in escrow a further 13 M being the annual salry (2.6 M) for 5 years. Voila, no club going bankrupt and your success will only be limited by the size of your Sugar Daddy's bank balance. Personally, I think this is absolutely the wrong way to go and we should be looking at team and individual based salary caps and local/youth quotas of total minutes played not just in the squad. But hey, it;ll never happen and we will see Billion Pound transfer fees within the next 15 years. Feel free to bookmark this so you can prove me wrong! Thanks Goboks. I do wonder why I have no problem with new money when done in the right way. I have no problem with Chelsea and Man City and prefer the setup rather so we see new clubs at the top rather than it just being clubs that we’re successful decades ago. I thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool’s stumbling and am interested in how Man United will try to get back to the top table. I’m not a fan of salary caps but this is probably because of my right leaning capitalist views (this is where my right wing views end). Conversely I do believe there should be a cap on agents fees but that’s because like city bankers I don’t believe they add value or add to society.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 21, 2020 16:17:51 GMT
Simple solution. If Sugar Daddy/Mommy wants to spend big for his/her pleything, They have to put in escrow the full amount of commitment or suitable guarantees (surety bond, insurance, or whatever). So PC wants to sign rising star Gianelli Imbula for 5 years, he has to pay the transfer fee of 18 M and put in escrow a further 13 M being the annual salry (2.6 M) for 5 years. Voila, no club going bankrupt and your success will only be limited by the size of your Sugar Daddy's bank balance. Personally, I think this is absolutely the wrong way to go and we should be looking at team and individual based salary caps and local/youth quotas of total minutes played not just in the squad. But hey, it;ll never happen and we will see Billion Pound transfer fees within the next 15 years. Feel free to bookmark this so you can prove me wrong! Thanks Goboks. I do wonder why I have no problem with new money when done in the right way. I have no problem with Chelsea and Man City and prefer the setup rather so we see new clubs at the top rather than it just being clubs that we’re successful decades ago. I thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool’s stumbling and am interested in how Man United will try to get back to the top table. I’m not a fan of salary caps but this is probably because of my right leaning capitalist views (this is where my right wing views end). Conversely I do believe there should be a cap on agents fees but that’s because like city bankers I don’t believe they add value or add to society. I get the angle against caps, and I am generally a rabid capitalist, but, I believe that this industry is just going to baloon ridiculously if some intervention does not take place. Salary caps, (and the draft system) have worked incredibly well in NFL and MLB with no team/s being able to gain absolute dominence over everyone else. At the end of the day, a more competitive is good for everyone and for the sport itself. I also believe that if there should be rules mandating that a minimum of 5 of the on-field players at the start of the game must be UK Citizens and 5 must be under age 22. Coupled with the salary cap (to prevent hyper-inflation in these categories of players), this would: a) Strengthen the national team; b) Level the playing field creating greater interest/growing number of fans: c) Ensure a steady development stream for the future. A win/win for everyone .... oh except the dozen or so teams that dominate everything from their domestic leagues to CL. (and perhaps the players who are earning way more than they are worth).
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Post by AlliG on Feb 22, 2020 10:32:20 GMT
Thanks Goboks. I do wonder why I have no problem with new money when done in the right way. I have no problem with Chelsea and Man City and prefer the setup rather so we see new clubs at the top rather than it just being clubs that we’re successful decades ago. I thoroughly enjoyed Liverpool’s stumbling and am interested in how Man United will try to get back to the top table. I’m not a fan of salary caps but this is probably because of my right leaning capitalist views (this is where my right wing views end). Conversely I do believe there should be a cap on agents fees but that’s because like city bankers I don’t believe they add value or add to society. I get the angle against caps, and I am generally a rabid capitalist, but, I believe that this industry is just going to baloon ridiculously if some intervention does not take place. Salary caps, (and the draft system) have worked incredibly well in NFL and MLB with no team/s being able to gain absolute dominence over everyone else. At the end of the day, a more competitive is good for everyone and for the sport itself. I also believe that if there should be rules mandating that a minimum of 5 of the on-field players at the start of the game must be UK Citizens and 5 must be under age 22. Coupled with the salary cap (to prevent hyper-inflation in these categories of players), this would: a) Strengthen the national team; b) Level the playing field creating greater interest/growing number of fans: c) Ensure a steady development stream for the future. A win/win for everyone .... oh except the dozen or so teams that dominate everything from their domestic leagues to CL. (and perhaps the players who are earning way more than they are worth). Salary caps work well in the NFL/MLB because there is no real alternative for the players. In football a salary cap would have to be at least Europe wide for it to work, otherwise all the best players will move away and English football will be left with squads like ours.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 22, 2020 10:34:22 GMT
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 22, 2020 16:10:13 GMT
I get the angle against caps, and I am generally a rabid capitalist, but, I believe that this industry is just going to baloon ridiculously if some intervention does not take place. Salary caps, (and the draft system) have worked incredibly well in NFL and MLB with no team/s being able to gain absolute dominence over everyone else. At the end of the day, a more competitive is good for everyone and for the sport itself. I also believe that if there should be rules mandating that a minimum of 5 of the on-field players at the start of the game must be UK Citizens and 5 must be under age 22. Coupled with the salary cap (to prevent hyper-inflation in these categories of players), this would: a) Strengthen the national team; b) Level the playing field creating greater interest/growing number of fans: c) Ensure a steady development stream for the future. A win/win for everyone .... oh except the dozen or so teams that dominate everything from their domestic leagues to CL. (and perhaps the players who are earning way more than they are worth). Salary caps work well in the NFL/MLB because there is no real alternative for the players. In football a salary cap would have to be at least Europe wide for it to work, otherwise all the best players will move away and English football will be left with squads like ours. In other words, a league where anyone can beat anyone else? Isn't that a good thing? But I agree, it would have to be multi-national, including the ratio of youngsters and foreign players. I don't know how FIFA cannot see that this would be good for the game worldwide. National employment laws would of course be a huge stumbling block, but something has to be done.
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