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Post by threepoints on Feb 14, 2020 8:54:51 GMT
The man has no shame. At least Berahino said he wanted to change and reform (didn't mean it at all mind you) but Imbula virtually announces his disinterest in foolball. He is in the last eighteen months of his contract and will no doubt be looking for a pay off soon. In no other business would this be tolerated:
"Gianneli Imbula’s Lecce nightmare is no closer to ending with reports in Italy claiming he will become a ‘paid tourist’ in the second half of the season. The midfielder joined the Serie A side on-loan from Stoke City in the summer, but after playing just 130 minutes of league football, he has been deemed surplus to requirements."
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 14, 2020 8:56:12 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 14, 2020 9:31:48 GMT
There seems to be something wrong in his head, he's not alone in this. Makes you wonder if Football really takes any interest in mental health and well being.
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Post by threepoints on Feb 14, 2020 9:50:11 GMT
There seems to be something wrong in his head, he's not alone in this. Makes you wonder if Football really takes any interest in mental health and well being.
I'm not sure. He has great talent but doesn't want to use this. He could just be lazy.
I once took on someone who was naturally talented at what I did. He learned in weeks what others took months or years to do. I had to let him go as he wasn't interested - couldn't be bothered to turn up on time and at every turn looked at how to skive off.
Imbula reminds me of him.
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Post by rawli on Feb 14, 2020 9:55:23 GMT
There seems to be something wrong in his head, he's not alone in this. Makes you wonder if Football really takes any interest in mental health and well being. I'm not sure. He has great talent but doesn't want to use this. He could just be lazy. I once took on someone who was naturally talented at what I did. He learned in weeks what others took months or years to do. I had to let him go as he wasn't interested - couldn't be bothered to turn up on time and at every turn looked at how to skive off. Imbula reminds me of him.
Did he wear gloves? |
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 14, 2020 9:56:54 GMT
There seems to be something wrong in his head, he's not alone in this. Makes you wonder if Football really takes any interest in mental health and well being. I'm not sure. He has great talent but doesn't want to use this. He could just be lazy. I once took on someone who was naturally talented at what I did. He learned in weeks what others took months or years to do. I had to let him go as he wasn't interested - couldn't be bothered to turn up on time and at every turn looked at how to skive off. Imbula reminds me of him.
Occupational therapy maybe? I often need to remind myself that, whilst I would have given anything for the talent some of these guys have, it's still their job, and not everybody actually likes their job. That's no excuse not to do your best, but might be the basis of trying to work out why someone would skive. I'm no psychologist, just a frustrated fan, but with all the money around, and developments in sports science, I would like to think that someone would be looking at his mental state, if only to try and salvage some value from him. SCFC had the most to lose from Imbullas' lack of passion for the game, so the most to gain from trying to help him get his head sorted...I wonder if they tried? |
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Feb 14, 2020 10:00:16 GMT
Footballers get access to too much too soon these days. They should have to serve an apprenticeship under a senior player for a number of years scrubbing boots and cleaning kits etc. This apprenticeship should last for at least the normal educational ages.... e.g it ends when they are 19 and while they are in that period they should all be paid an industry standardised scale raising upon successful completion of each year of their course with bonuses available for effort and attitude.
Only upon exiting the apprenticeship should they have access to competitive market led pay. Which should be subject to intensive background checks and personality assessment like in the NFL, with stronger legal clauses written into contracts relating to good representation of their employer and enforceable actionable sickness periods.
Never going to happen though so completely wasted typing time
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 14, 2020 10:12:03 GMT
There seems to be something wrong in his head, he's not alone in this. Makes you wonder if Football really takes any interest in mental health and well being. I'm not sure. He has great talent but doesn't want to use this. He could just be lazy. I once took on someone who was naturally talented at what I did. He learned in weeks what others took months or years to do. I had to let him go as he wasn't interested - couldn't be bothered to turn up on time and at every turn looked at how to skive off. Imbula reminds me of him.
Some times that can happen, when its not challenging enough and someone finds it easy they just lose interest, maybe the few games Imbula played made him think sod this I could piss this league, I'm gonna put my feet up  Seriously though we're stuck with him until his contract runs out I would have thought, who would bother paying for him, wages or fee, after whats he's done over the last few seasons. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 14, 2020 12:09:26 GMT
Wasn't Imbula the one whose agent was saying a few weeks ago that he'd never previously in his experience had so much interest and so many offers for a player? All this interest soon disappeared again.
Also why would any self respecting professional player risk being remembered as this generation's Winston Bogarde.
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Post by medwaypotter on Feb 14, 2020 12:22:52 GMT
He's a lazy fucker, a very well paid one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 12:23:10 GMT
Wasn't Imbula the one whose agent was saying a few weeks ago that he'd never previously in his experience had so much interest and so many offers for a player? All this interest soon disappeared again. Also why would any self respecting professional player risk being remembered as this generation's Winston Bogarde. It was the director of the club trying to get rid of him that said that! It tickled me for sure, Clive. |
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Post by marylandstoke on Feb 14, 2020 12:30:02 GMT
Footballers get access to too much too soon these days. They should have to serve an apprenticeship under a senior player for a number of years scrubbing boots and cleaning kits etc. This apprenticeship should last for at least the normal educational ages.... e.g it ends when they are 19 and while they are in that period they should all be paid an industry standardised scale raising upon successful completion of each year of their course with bonuses available for effort and attitude. Only upon exiting the apprenticeship should they have access to competitive market led pay. Which should be subject to intensive background checks and personality assessment like in the NFL, with stronger legal clauses written into contracts relating to good representation of their employer and enforceable actionable sickness periods. Never going to happen though so completely wasted typing time Do explain your NFL comment. Please. |
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2020 12:51:25 GMT
I usually think a rocket up the arse is a good remedy!
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Post by 1863 on Feb 14, 2020 12:52:54 GMT
What was it Ron Atkinson said about Marcel Desailly....
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 14, 2020 12:55:58 GMT
What was it Ron Atkinson said about Marcel Desailly.... I truly, truly hope you're fishing with this comment here |
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Post by markby on Feb 14, 2020 14:14:02 GMT
I'm not sure. He has great talent but doesn't want to use this. He could just be lazy. I once took on someone who was naturally talented at what I did. He learned in weeks what others took months or years to do. I had to let him go as he wasn't interested - couldn't be bothered to turn up on time and at every turn looked at how to skive off. Imbula reminds me of him.
Occupational therapy maybe? I often need to remind myself that, whilst I would have given anything for the talent some of these guys have, it's still their job, and not everybody actually likes their job. That's no excuse not to do your best, but might be the basis of trying to work out why someone would skive. I'm no psychologist, just a frustrated fan, but with all the money around, and developments in sports science, I would like to think that someone would be looking at his mental state, if only to try and salvage some value from him. SCFC had the most to lose from Imbullas' lack of passion for the game, so the most to gain from trying to help him get his head sorted...I wonder if they tried? OK, there may be some underlying psychological cause with the player (I'm hardly qualified to judge) and if so, maybe Stoke or Lecce could be doing more to help.
But if not the case, then I would question your "not everybody likes their job" bit. Of course that is true generally, but it's not as if Imbula is eg some 18 y.o who left school, went down to the Job Centre and from there was sent to work in some crappy office for the minimum wage. Imstead he is (I assume) someone who wanted to be a footballer from he was a small kid. And even if when he got there he didn't much like the professional game, he must have done OK to get good contracts and games for decent clubs for 6 or 7 years before he ever went near Stoke.
On top of which, there are plenty of footballers (though few admit it) who don't much like football, but appreciate that it's giving them and their family a bloody good lifestyle they could never get anywhere else, and so conduct themselves as professionally as they can until retirement comes around. (Benoit Assou-Ekoto from Spurs comes to mind) Compare that eg to some harrassed 40 y.o. teacher in a shit school, who has a spouse, family and mortgage to maintain, and so has to stay in the job for another couple of decades until 60 or 65, before retiring on a pension.
At the very least, Imbula must have received a big enough signing-on fee and first year or two's wages from Stoke to be able to say to the club: "Right, that's it, I've had enough of being a pro-footballer, I'm now in a financial position to retire from the game and do what I really want to do, you can tear up my contract."
Which, of course, is naive. But that doesn't make it any less valid, imho.
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 14, 2020 19:02:15 GMT
Occupational therapy maybe? I often need to remind myself that, whilst I would have given anything for the talent some of these guys have, it's still their job, and not everybody actually likes their job. That's no excuse not to do your best, but might be the basis of trying to work out why someone would skive. I'm no psychologist, just a frustrated fan, but with all the money around, and developments in sports science, I would like to think that someone would be looking at his mental state, if only to try and salvage some value from him. SCFC had the most to lose from Imbullas' lack of passion for the game, so the most to gain from trying to help him get his head sorted...I wonder if they tried? OK, there may be some underlying psychological cause with the player (I'm hardly qualified to judge) and if so, maybe Stoke or Lecce could be doing more to help. But if not the case, then I would question your "not everybody likes their job" bit. Of course that is true generally, but it's not as if Imbula is eg some 18 y.o who left school, went down to the Job Centre and from there was sent to work in some crappy office for the minimum wage. Imstead he is (I assume) someone who wanted to be a footballer from he was a small kid. And even if when he got there he didn't much like the professional game, he must have done OK to get good contracts and games for decent clubs for 6 or 7 years before he ever went near Stoke. On top of which, there are plenty of footballers (though few admit it) who don't much like football, but appreciate that it's giving them and their family a bloody good lifestyle they could never get anywhere else, and so conduct themselves as professionally as they can until retirement comes around. (Benoit Assou-Ekoto from Spurs comes to mind) Compare that eg to some harrassed 40 y.o. teacher in a shit school, who has a spouse, family and mortgage to maintain, and so has to stay in the job for another couple of decades until 60 or 65, before retiring on a pension.
At the very least, Imbula must have received a big enough signing-on fee and first year or two's wages from Stoke to be able to say to the club: "Right, that's it, I've had enough of being a pro-footballer, I'm now in a financial position to retire from the game and do what I really want to do, you can tear up my contract."
Which, of course, is naive. But that doesn't make it any less valid, imho.
Don't get me wrong, I think Imbulla is a massive tool, I am just trying to understand why someone with such talent should be so. I can only think it is some form of mental illness...maybe lack of motivation is covered by this? I once played in a pro-am golf tournament and asked the pro I was with if he ever got fed up, expecting him to say "no, this is what I love", in fact he replied " do you ever get fed up at work?" and went on to say that golf was his job, and sometimes he got fed up. Imbulla, of course, has gone to an extreme of fed up ness...  |
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Post by rawli on Feb 14, 2020 19:24:58 GMT
What was it Ron Atkinson said about Marcel Desailly.... I take it your username is the year of your birth? |
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Feb 14, 2020 23:26:44 GMT
Footballers get access to too much too soon these days. They should have to serve an apprenticeship under a senior player for a number of years scrubbing boots and cleaning kits etc. This apprenticeship should last for at least the normal educational ages.... e.g it ends when they are 19 and while they are in that period they should all be paid an industry standardised scale raising upon successful completion of each year of their course with bonuses available for effort and attitude. Only upon exiting the apprenticeship should they have access to competitive market led pay. Which should be subject to intensive background checks and personality assessment like in the NFL, with stronger legal clauses written into contracts relating to good representation of their employer and enforceable actionable sickness periods. Never going to happen though so completely wasted typing time Do explain your NFL comment. Please. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 14, 2020 23:41:19 GMT
What was it Ron Atkinson said about Marcel Desailly.... I take it your username is the year of your birth? Standby for more of this rhetoric. The trial run has been completed by the UK Government with assistance from the press this week. |
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 15, 2020 0:39:12 GMT
What was it Ron Atkinson said about Marcel Desailly.... If you're trying to be funny, you're not. If you're serious you need help. |
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 15, 2020 2:59:49 GMT
What was it Ron Atkinson said about Marcel Desailly.... Bad taste mar mate but never mind these snowflakes. |
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