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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 17:31:25 GMT
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned at all.
Whenever a goal kick or hoof out of defence came his way not only did he not challenge the centre half for the ball,he ducked out of the way on a few occasions.
Clearly Tyrese doesn't like heading the ball.
If Vokes had done that he would have been slaughtered on here.
We're going to have to change tactics next season if we want to challenge for promotion,assuming we stay up.
Hoofball doesn't suit Tyrese as a lone striker
It's a good job the rest of his game is pretty decent.....he should have scored mind,that was a great chance he put wide.I was fully expecting to see it nestle in the bottom corner
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2020 17:40:19 GMT
I actually think he's come on leaps and bounds as a lone striker. He's stronger than he was, he's improved at playing with his back to goal and holding defenders off and is generally much more of a presence than he was.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 13, 2020 17:42:57 GMT
I actually think he's come on leaps and bounds as a lone striker. He's stronger than he was, he's improved at playing with his back to goal and holding defenders off and is generally much more of a presence than he was. Nowhere near his best last night but I agree with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 17:45:54 GMT
There are different types of target men in football and you are right, heading is not the strong point of Campbell.
In that case it's a simple fix. Don't give him that type of lazy supply. Look at what Tommy Smith did in the build up to Ince's goal on Saturday.
A direct ball but a good ball on the ground into feet, which is his strong point. His low centre of gravity will give defenders a hard time as he spun and played in a lovely ball.
It isn't rocket science.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 17:46:02 GMT
I actually think he's come on leaps and bounds as a lone striker. He's stronger than he was, he's improved at playing with his back to goal and holding defenders off and is generally much more of a presence than he was. I'm talking specifically about long balls in the air. He actually ducked out of the way of a couple. I don't think he won one aerial challenge |
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Post by werrington on Feb 13, 2020 17:46:16 GMT
The decision to put him on the wing was ludicrous
He was worrying the life out of them with the ball at his feet facing goal
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2020 17:58:26 GMT
I actually think he's come on leaps and bounds as a lone striker. He's stronger than he was, he's improved at playing with his back to goal and holding defenders off and is generally much more of a presence than he was. I'm talking specifically about long balls in the air. He actually ducked out of the way of a couple. I don't think he won one aerial challenge There's more to playing as a lone striker than being good in the air though, that's what I'm saying. You seem to be up for writing it off based just on that. He does need some aerial ability but he's 20, he's shown he can work on and improve aspects of his game, and I don't see why he can't work on and improve on that too? In the meantime, what Onlooker said. No problem with him playing wide right either, where he was so good against Huddersfield in the Odemwingie role. It's just there really isn't another viable candidate to play up front. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2020 17:59:29 GMT
I actually think he's come on leaps and bounds as a lone striker. He's stronger than he was, he's improved at playing with his back to goal and holding defenders off and is generally much more of a presence than he was. Nowhere near his best last night but I agree with you. I thought he was one of our better players last night. Caused them problems, got into good positions, found space. Should've done better with that chance on the turn second half but worked hard and was a good, selfless lone striker's performance for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 18:01:38 GMT
I'm talking specifically about long balls in the air. He actually ducked out of the way of a couple. I don't think he won one aerial challenge There's more to playing as a lone striker than being good in the air though, that's what I'm saying. You seem to be up for writing it off based just on that. He does need some aerial ability but he's 20, he's shown he can work on and improve aspects of his game, and I don't see why he can't work on and improve on that too? In the meantime, what Onlooker said. No problem with him playing wide right either, where he was so good against Huddersfield in the Odemwingie role. It's just there really isn't another viable candidate to play up front. Read what I said. Hoofball doesn't suit him. If we're going to use him as a lone striker we will have to change our tactics. I said that in the OP. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2020 18:07:40 GMT
I agree he's like Ince when the balls in the air, there is more to being a lone striker than just being able to win headers but it would help if he went for the odd one.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 13, 2020 18:13:31 GMT
He may not have been at his best last night, but still comfortably linked play and stretched the defence than Vokes or Gregory have done this season. Potential to be a very good number 9. We seem to push Powell up deliberately to challenge for the aerial balls recently.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 13, 2020 20:39:26 GMT
The lack of quality on either wing makes his job 10x harder.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 13, 2020 20:59:48 GMT
The ball doesn't exactly stick to him like glue does it, but it's not really his game. As an aside, and I might be way off here, but he looked a bit tubby to me last night.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2020 16:19:51 GMT
I actually think he's come on leaps and bounds as a lone striker. He's stronger than he was, he's improved at playing with his back to goal and holding defenders off and is generally much more of a presence than he was. I'm talking specifically about long balls in the air. He actually ducked out of the way of a couple. I don't think he won one aerial challenge The Jeff Astle effect? |
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 14, 2020 16:47:23 GMT
His back to goal game has improved tenfold.
One of the moves they practiced in the warm up was used perfectly in the game and very nearly came off.
He’s getting better and better each week, he’ll probably be on the wing tomorrow due to lack of options but interesting to see if he can repeat his Huddersfield performance.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2020 17:05:39 GMT
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Post by stokieoldboy on Feb 14, 2020 17:39:01 GMT
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned at all. Whenever a goal kick or hoof out of defence came his way not only did he not challenge the centre half for the ball,he ducked out of the way on a few occasions. Clearly Tyrese doesn't like heading the ball. If Vokes had done that he would have been slaughtered on here. We're going to have to change tactics next season if we want to challenge for promotion,assuming we stay up. Hoofball doesn't suit Tyrese as a lone striker It's a good job the rest of his game is pretty decent.....he should have scored mind,that was a great chance he put wide.I was fully expecting to see it nestle in the bottom corner couldn’t agree more,i know he’s young, but he’s a big strong lad, and he should be letting the centre back, know he’s around,ie using a fcukg elbow, shoulder,head,fist,any part of his body to frighten the fcuk out of the centre back,theres no excuse for him ducking out,i could understand it, if he was a five foot five inches tall,but he’s at least six foot that said, we should be playing to his strengths, and we all know what that is, a ball over the top,or through their defence,something for him to run on to, |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 14, 2020 18:05:38 GMT
Let’s call it for what it is. Tyrese Campbell plays for a team in a championship relegation fight. He’s not Marcus Rashford. If he were if wouldn’t be playing for stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 18:15:13 GMT
Let’s call it for what it is. Tyrese Campbell plays for a team in a championship relegation fight. He’s not Marcus Rashford. If he were if wouldn’t be playing for stoke. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. A centre forward who doesn't challenge for high balls, that's pretty much unheard of in any division |
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Post by kustokie on Feb 14, 2020 18:27:02 GMT
Let’s call it for what it is. Tyrese Campbell plays for a team in a championship relegation fight. He’s not Marcus Rashford. If he were if wouldn’t be playing for stoke. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. A centre forward who doesn't challenge for high balls, that's pretty much unheard of in any division That’s my point. If he could do that, he’d be playing in a higher division. Also he has pace but his stamina is sadly lacking for anyone his age never mind a professional footballer. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 18:44:15 GMT
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. A centre forward who doesn't challenge for high balls, that's pretty much unheard of in any division That’s my point. If he could do that, he’d be playing in a higher division. Also he has pace but his stamina is sadly lacking for anyone his age never mind a professional footballer. You missed my point,centre forwards in EVERY league usually challenge for headers,whether that be premier league or sunday league. He's lasting 90 minutes now so his stamina clearly isn't an issue |
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Post by Godo on Feb 15, 2020 8:41:49 GMT
The decision to put him on the wing was ludicrous He was worrying the life out of them with the ball at his feet facing goal Might have had something to do with McClean and Verlinden being injured!! Or would you have played Vokes on the wing!! |
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Post by Godo on Feb 15, 2020 8:50:25 GMT
That’s my point. If he could do that, he’d be playing in a higher division. Also he has pace but his stamina is sadly lacking for anyone his age never mind a professional footballer. You missed my point,centre forwards in EVERY league usually challenge for headers,whether that be premier league or sunday league. He's lasting 90 minutes now so his stamina clearly isn't an issue The lad gets better with each passing game. His mobility as lone striker gives us much more opportunity to vary our passing AND despite your comments about his heading he DOES work to get between the defender and the ball to bring others into the game. He's a kid who is still learning the game so rather than looking for things to criticise him for how about we support him because, particularly with our injuries, he's going to be critical, whether playing as an advanced forward or inside forward, to any points we gain over the next run of fixtures. |
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 8:53:26 GMT
The decision to put him on the wing was ludicrous He was worrying the life out of them with the ball at his feet facing goal Might have had something to do with McClean and Verlinden being injured!! Or would you have played Vokes on the wing!! Did you go too or even watch the match? Verlinden hadn’t even left the subs bench at that point Keep jogging |
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 15, 2020 9:00:40 GMT
Target Man isn’t what Campbell is, the facets what that demands aren’t his natural strengths. However, Vokes was bought to be a target man and his physical attributes make him a far more viable target man. The very clear fact is though is that Vokes is shut.
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