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Post by robstokie on Feb 12, 2020 23:20:15 GMT
Seriously considering becoming one, or at least a non meat-eater. Any tips, any stories of any conversions to that way of eating - are you strict about looking for the little green circle with the V in it, or is it just a case of not eating actual meat, if enough people were to forsake meat, would look after itself (eg. If a cow is killed primarily for beef and beef first and foremost, there's no appetite for it, then surely there would have to be an alternative to leather as Leather would just be a by-product?)
Anyway, discuss - genuinely interested to hear of people's views, and stories if there's some veggies and vegans on here (would guess there's a few) as an aside question to those Veggies and Vegans - do you think the choice/standard/cost of meat alternatives is more friendly to average Joe, and do you think that a market based on plant alternatives will end up being more cost effective over the next generation?
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Post by Kilo on Feb 12, 2020 23:38:57 GMT
Seriously considering becoming one, or at least a non meat-eater. Any tips, any stories of any conversions to that way of eating - are you strict about looking for the little green circle with the V in it, or is it just a case of not eating actual meat, if enough people were to forsake meat, would look after itself (eg. If a cow is killed primarily for beef and beef first and foremost, there's no appetite for it, then surely there would have to be an alternative to leather as Leather would just be a by-product?) Anyway, discuss - genuinely interested to hear of people's views, and stories if there's some veggies and vegans on here (would guess there's a few) as an aside question to those Veggies and Vegans - do you think the choice/standard/cost of meat alternatives is more friendly to average Joe, and do you think that a market based on plant alternatives will end up being more cost effective over the next generation? Sorry to burst your bubble but leather / milk / beef cattle aren't the same thing. A productive milking cow doesn't become a beef cow when it comes to the end of it's milk producing life. |
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Post by elystokie on Feb 12, 2020 23:45:22 GMT
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Post by Kilo on Feb 12, 2020 23:54:50 GMT
It's not going to completely change anytime soon though is it? If we can't persuade the Yanks to get rid of their guns, it'll be nigh on impossible to get them to phase out their Cowboys. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2020 1:31:55 GMT
Seriously considering becoming one, or at least a non meat-eater. Any tips, any stories of any conversions to that way of eating - are you strict about looking for the little green circle with the V in it, or is it just a case of not eating actual meat, if enough people were to forsake meat, would look after itself (eg. If a cow is killed primarily for beef and beef first and foremost, there's no appetite for it, then surely there would have to be an alternative to leather as Leather would just be a by-product?) Anyway, discuss - genuinely interested to hear of people's views, and stories if there's some veggies and vegans on here (would guess there's a few) as an aside question to those Veggies and Vegans - do you think the choice/standard/cost of meat alternatives is more friendly to average Joe, and do you think that a market based on plant alternatives will end up being more cost effective over the next generation? I'd suggest the first question you need to ask yourself is ... why? Once you've established why it is, then I don't think "choice/standard/cost" will actually become much of an issue. |
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Post by elystokie on Feb 13, 2020 7:56:12 GMT
It's not going to completely change anytime soon though is it? If we can't persuade the Yanks to get rid of their guns, it'll be nigh on impossible to get them to phase out their Cowboys. Just thought it would give people who weren't sure hope of another option, or even those that were sure  Coincidentally there was a programme on TV last night where John Richardson was trying a 'chicken nugget' and I found it interesting, thought others might too. Sorry. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 13, 2020 8:36:10 GMT
Seriously considering becoming one, or at least a non meat-eater. Any tips, any stories of any conversions to that way of eating - are you strict about looking for the little green circle with the V in it, or is it just a case of not eating actual meat, if enough people were to forsake meat, would look after itself (eg. If a cow is killed primarily for beef and beef first and foremost, there's no appetite for it, then surely there would have to be an alternative to leather as Leather would just be a by-product?) Anyway, discuss - genuinely interested to hear of people's views, and stories if there's some veggies and vegans on here (would guess there's a few) as an aside question to those Veggies and Vegans - do you think the choice/standard/cost of meat alternatives is more friendly to average Joe, and do you think that a market based on plant alternatives will end up being more cost effective over the next generation? One of My lads went vegetarian around eight years ago ex girlfriend He does find the constant reading of labels annoying He tried to go vegan around two years ago with his wife (not the ex) she's vegan for health reasons But found he couldn't manage with out his favourite cheeses and occasional egg he eats a lot of cheese If I was you I'd go vegetarian first and then if you need to then vegan Vegetarianism is considerably less restrictive than veganism |
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Post by Kilo on Feb 13, 2020 8:45:12 GMT
It's not going to completely change anytime soon though is it? If we can't persuade the Yanks to get rid of their guns, it'll be nigh on impossible to get them to phase out their Cowboys. Just thought it would give people who weren't sure hope of another option, or even those that were sure Coincidentally there was a programme on TV last night where John Richardson was trying a 'chicken nugget' and I found it interesting, thought others might too. Sorry. I saw that too and assume that will be the future which I don't have a major problem with although I have heard that producing some non animal food is often more damaging to the planet. Thankfully I think I'll be long gone by the time a visit to Tesco's involves picking up a packet of cockroaches. What I'm not looking forward to is Emma Thompson flying over from LA to lecture me on why I should be eating manufactured chicken nuggets before she jets back to tuck into caviar & lobster.
The programme was very interesting although I was disappointed when Richardson was feeling his wife's face from 5000 miles away with his robotic hands and didn't ask her if he could feel her tits. I'm sure that's what most normal blokes would have done.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 13, 2020 8:55:31 GMT
Just thought it would give people who weren't sure hope of another option, or even those that were sure Coincidentally there was a programme on TV last night where John Richardson was trying a 'chicken nugget' and I found it interesting, thought others might too. Sorry. I saw that too and assume that will be the future which I don't have a major problem with although I have heard that producing some non animal food is often more damaging to the planet. Thankfully I think I'll be long gone by the time a visit to Tesco's involves picking up a packet of cockroaches. What I'm not looking forward to is Emma Thompson flying over from LA to lecture me on why I should be eating manufactured chicken nuggets before she jets back to tuck into caviar & lobster. The programme was very interesting although I was disappointed when Richardson was feeling his wife's face from 5000 miles away with his robotic hands and didn't ask her if he could feel her tits. I'm sure that's what most normal blokes would have done.
Cockroaches will be a tough sell to me too, I've been to places where insects etc were eaten (including Skuon in Cambodia where eating spiders is very much the norm) and couldn't face them, my two lads gave it all a go without a problem, I wish I'd tried some now and I think I will next time we go. I think he probably did have a feel off screen but it's not something the Beeb are likely to broadcast, at that time of the evening especially. |
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Post by Kilo on Feb 13, 2020 9:03:17 GMT
I saw that too and assume that will be the future which I don't have a major problem with although I have heard that producing some non animal food is often more damaging to the planet. Thankfully I think I'll be long gone by the time a visit to Tesco's involves picking up a packet of cockroaches. What I'm not looking forward to is Emma Thompson flying over from LA to lecture me on why I should be eating manufactured chicken nuggets before she jets back to tuck into caviar & lobster. The programme was very interesting although I was disappointed when Richardson was feeling his wife's face from 5000 miles away with his robotic hands and didn't ask her if he could feel her tits. I'm sure that's what most normal blokes would have done.
Cockroaches will be a tough sell to me too, I've been to places where insects etc were eaten (including Skuon in Cambodia where eating spiders is very much the norm) and couldn't face them, my two lads gave it all a go without a problem, I wish I'd tried some now and I think I will next time we go. I think he probably did have a feel off screen but it's not something the Beeb are likely to broadcast, at that time of the evening especially. I didn't particularly want to see him doing it but asking her would have been amusing and with her also being a comedian she might have come back with a funny response. |
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Post by elystokie on Feb 13, 2020 9:11:12 GMT
Cockroaches will be a tough sell to me too, I've been to places where insects etc were eaten (including Skuon in Cambodia where eating spiders is very much the norm) and couldn't face them, my two lads gave it all a go without a problem, I wish I'd tried some now and I think I will next time we go. I think he probably did have a feel off screen but it's not something the Beeb are likely to broadcast, at that time of the evening especially. I didn't particularly want to see him doing it but asking her would have been amusing and with her also being a comedian she might have come back with a funny response. May well have happened on another channel. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2020 10:46:12 GMT
Thanks for the link Robbie, what a fascinating article. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2020 10:49:24 GMT
It's not going to completely change anytime soon though is it? If we can't persuade the Yanks to get rid of their guns, it'll be nigh on impossible to get them to phase out their Cowboys. Just thought it would give people who weren't sure hope of another option, or even those that were sure Coincidentally there was a programme on TV last night where John Richardson was trying a 'chicken nugget' and I found it interesting, thought others might too. Sorry. What was the programme called Robbie? I've just done a search in the iPlayer for John Richardson and it came up blank. Cheers |
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Post by yeokel on Feb 13, 2020 10:54:39 GMT
Seriously considering becoming one, or at least a non meat-eater. Any tips, any stories of any conversions to that way of eating - are you strict about looking for the little green circle with the V in it, or is it just a case of not eating actual meat, if enough people were to forsake meat, would look after itself (eg. If a cow is killed primarily for beef and beef first and foremost, there's no appetite for it, then surely there would have to be an alternative to leather as Leather would just be a by-product?) Anyway, discuss - genuinely interested to hear of people's views, and stories if there's some veggies and vegans on here (would guess there's a few) as an aside question to those Veggies and Vegans - do you think the choice/standard/cost of meat alternatives is more friendly to average Joe, and do you think that a market based on plant alternatives will end up being more cost effective over the next generation? I'd suggest the first question you need to ask yourself is ... why? Once you've established why it is, then I don't think "choice/standard/cost" will actually become much of an issue. That’s very good advice in my opinion. If you simply want to eat less meat, that’s fine and it means that you don’t need to be scanning the packaging for words like “Chicken Stock”, “Gelatin”, etc. If it is for animal welfare issues, then you obviously don’t want any animal bits in the food so you need to be looking out for words like Guanciale which can often be found in dishes that should be, at first sight, vegetarian. But then if a cow has been killed for, say, its meat you may feel that while you don’t want to eat the meat, now the thing is dead anyway it would be a waste of its life if as much as possible of its carcass was not used, which brings us back to things like Gelatin, or Rennet again. Same with fish, once it has been drowned or crushed to death in a trawler’s net, is it acceptable to use some of the left-overs from its body for Finings. If not, get ready to give up most beers and wines. And if you’re going veggie because of environmental issues such as land use, crop use and methane then I’m sure some animals and the farming thereof are better than others and perhaps some have an absolutely minimal effect on the environment and perhaps, therefore, they might be ok to farm and consume! As said above, knowing why you are doing it is a good first step. And it prepares you for the inevitable quizzings and questionings which you will be subjected to by some of the less enlightened among us  |
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Post by yes on Feb 13, 2020 11:04:46 GMT
I'd suggest the first question you need to ask yourself is ... why? Once you've established why it is, then I don't think "choice/standard/cost" will actually become much of an issue. That’s very good advice in my opinion. If you simply want to eat less meat, that’s fine and it means that you don’t need to be scanning the packaging for words like “Chicken Stock”, “Gelatin”, etc. If it is for animal welfare issues, then you obviously don’t want any animal bits in the food so you need to be looking out for words like Guanciale which can often be found in dishes that should be, at first sight, vegetarian. But then if a cow has been killed for, say, its meat you may feel that while you don’t want to eat the meat, now the thing is dead anyway it would be a waste of its life if as much as possible of its carcass was not used, which brings us back to things like Gelatin, or Rennet again. Same with fish, once it has been drowned or crushed to death in a trawler’s net, is it acceptable to use some of the left-overs from its body for Finings. If not, get ready to give up most beers and wines. And if you’re going veggie because of environmental issues such as land use, crop use and methane then I’m sure some animals and the farming thereof are better than others and perhaps some have an absolutely minimal effect on the environment and perhaps, therefore, they might be ok to farm and consume! As said above, knowing why you are doing it is a good first step. And it prepares you for the inevitable quizzings and questionings which you will be subjected to by some of the less enlightened among us On that last point, apart from chocolate, every type of none animal product has a better effect on greenhouse gases than animal products To be fair, I think just eliminating beef and dairy could make a big difference. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 13, 2020 11:13:39 GMT
I'm probably like a lot of people, I eat a lot less meat, particularly red meat, than I used to and I try to eat more fish.
I'm honestly not exactly sure why, more perceived health benefits, general digestability and animal welfare than the environment in my case I think.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 13, 2020 11:25:39 GMT
Just thought it would give people who weren't sure hope of another option, or even those that were sure Coincidentally there was a programme on TV last night where John Richardson was trying a 'chicken nugget' and I found it interesting, thought others might too. Sorry. What was the programme called Robbie? I've just done a search in the iPlayer for John Richardson and it came up blank. Cheers That's cos I'm a dickhead that thought he was watching the beeb but was actually watching channel 4 😁 It's Kevin McCloud's Rough Guide to the Future mate, sorry I wasted your time! |
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Post by yeokel on Feb 13, 2020 11:33:09 GMT
That’s very good advice in my opinion. If you simply want to eat less meat, that’s fine and it means that you don’t need to be scanning the packaging for words like “Chicken Stock”, “Gelatin”, etc. If it is for animal welfare issues, then you obviously don’t want any animal bits in the food so you need to be looking out for words like Guanciale which can often be found in dishes that should be, at first sight, vegetarian. But then if a cow has been killed for, say, its meat you may feel that while you don’t want to eat the meat, now the thing is dead anyway it would be a waste of its life if as much as possible of its carcass was not used, which brings us back to things like Gelatin, or Rennet again. Same with fish, once it has been drowned or crushed to death in a trawler’s net, is it acceptable to use some of the left-overs from its body for Finings. If not, get ready to give up most beers and wines. And if you’re going veggie because of environmental issues such as land use, crop use and methane then I’m sure some animals and the farming thereof are better than others and perhaps some have an absolutely minimal effect on the environment and perhaps, therefore, they might be ok to farm and consume! As said above, knowing why you are doing it is a good first step. And it prepares you for the inevitable quizzings and questionings which you will be subjected to by some of the less enlightened among us On that last point, apart from chocolate, every type of none animal product has a better effect on greenhouse gases than animal products To be fair, I think just eliminating beef and dairy could make a big difference. Interesting to see Chocolate so far up that list, but Farmed Prawns? Who’d have thought? I didn’t know that Chocolate was such a major contributory factor to deforestation of the rain forest. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 13, 2020 12:07:11 GMT
Same as gods, I eat a lot less meat these days, not seen a reduction in fitness levels, in fact I PB'd at half marathon and a marathon last year
Made a stew yesterday, no meat but put some quorn mince in it, was quite nice.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 13, 2020 12:17:49 GMT
What was the programme called Robbie? I've just done a search in the iPlayer for John Richardson and it came up blank. Cheers That's cos I'm a dickhead that thought he was watching the beeb but was actually watching channel 4 😁 It's Kevin McCloud's Rough Guide to the Future mate, sorry I wasted your time! Ha! Great, thanks for the heads-up. 👍 |
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Post by yeokel on Feb 13, 2020 12:37:42 GMT
Same as gods, I eat a lot less meat these days, not seen a reduction in fitness levels, in fact I PB'd at half marathon and a marathon last year Made a stew yesterday, no meat but put some quorn mince in it, was quite nice. We had an afternoon round at a mates house last year and the subject turned, as it sometimes does, to vegetarianism. My mrs, bless her little cotton socks, started singing the praises of a cottage pie I’d made a few days before using Quorn mince. My mate Pete, a thoroughly ‘meat n two veg’ sort of bloke starts off on his traditional rant about how you can’t survive on that sort of shite rabbit food crap, and how a steak must be a steak and how mince has to be a minced steak and so on and so on when his mrs, a fiery sort, shouts “for gods sake Pete, you’ve been eating Quorn for the last two years. “I don’t think so” replies Pete. “Of course you bloody have” replies his Mrs, “every time I make Spag Bol I use Quorn”. “I seriously doubt that” retorts Pete, a little more concerned, at which point she stomps off to the kitchen and comes back clutching a bag of Quorn mince which she casually throws towards him whilst saying “you had some of this for your tea on Tuesday night you numpty”. Oh, how we laughed. Perhaps you had to be there to get the full effect though  |
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Post by Northy on Feb 13, 2020 13:20:23 GMT
Same as gods, I eat a lot less meat these days, not seen a reduction in fitness levels, in fact I PB'd at half marathon and a marathon last year Made a stew yesterday, no meat but put some quorn mince in it, was quite nice. We had an afternoon round at a mates house last year and the subject turned, as it sometimes does, to vegetarianism. My mrs, bless her little cotton socks, started singing the praises of a cottage pie I’d made a few days before using Quorn mince. My mate Pete, a thoroughly ‘meat n two veg’ sort of bloke starts off on his traditional rant about how you can’t survive on that sort of shite rabbit food crap, and how a steak must be a steak and how mince has to be a minced steak and so on and so on when his mrs, a fiery sort, shouts “for gods sake Pete, you’ve been eating Quorn for the last two years. “I don’t think so” replies Pete. “Of course you bloody have” replies his Mrs, “every time I make Spag Bol I use Quorn”. “I seriously doubt that” retorts Pete, a little more concerned, at which point she stomps off to the kitchen and comes back clutching a bag of Quorn mince which she casually throws towards him whilst saying “you had some of this for your tea on Tuesday night you numpty”. Oh, how we laughed. Perhaps you had to be there to get the full effect though brilliant  |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 13, 2020 17:16:19 GMT
It's not going to completely change anytime soon though is it? If we can't persuade the Yanks to get rid of their guns, it'll be nigh on impossible to get them to phase out their Cowboys. And thank fuck as well, on both counts. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 13, 2020 18:17:43 GMT
If you've time to plan, prep and cook then it's easy.
I'll generally eat non-vegan if I'm out for food otherwise I'll only eat one or two non-vegan meals a week, usually fish or egg with the rest plant-based.
I do it for general health reasons and think it'd be beneficial for everyone to cut down their animal-product consumption for various reasons. It's not for everyone but it's definitely worth a go, if only to broaden your culinary interests.
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Post by pretzel on Feb 13, 2020 20:29:43 GMT
Do vegetarians eat Quornish pasties?
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Post by potterinleeds on Feb 13, 2020 20:33:42 GMT
Seriously considering becoming one, or at least a non meat-eater. Any tips, any stories of any conversions to that way of eating - are you strict about looking for the little green circle with the V in it, or is it just a case of not eating actual meat, if enough people were to forsake meat, would look after itself (eg. If a cow is killed primarily for beef and beef first and foremost, there's no appetite for it, then surely there would have to be an alternative to leather as Leather would just be a by-product?) Anyway, discuss - genuinely interested to hear of people's views, and stories if there's some veggies and vegans on here (would guess there's a few) as an aside question to those Veggies and Vegans - do you think the choice/standard/cost of meat alternatives is more friendly to average Joe, and do you think that a market based on plant alternatives will end up being more cost effective over the next generation? Been vegetarian for many years, and to be honest it's pretty easy. I cook using fresh vegetables a lot, which helps avoid having to scan the ingredients of processed foods for animal-derived products, but obviously I'm only human and sometimes come in from work in a rush and use processed vegetarian food, like Quorn-derived products. The main thing you have to watch out with those is that some are pretty high in salt etc and not all that healthy. More recently, I've gone over to non-dairy 'milk', but again, you have to be careful to watch the sugar content of some of these. |
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Post by yeokel on Feb 13, 2020 21:11:50 GMT
Do vegetarians eat Quornish pasties? I see what you did there Ginsters has recently started selling a vegan pasty which is actually quite nice  |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 14, 2020 0:10:40 GMT
I like vegetarian stuff if its made with vegetables, like veggie lasagne or veggie curry or veg chilli. But i cant stand that soya protein stuff or fake dairy its fucking repulsive. I want real cheese on my toast not fucking plasticine. As for vegan stiff, on the news the other day it said fast food vegan stuff is as bad if not worse than its meat equivalent for you. www.bbc.com/future/article/20200129-why-vegan-junk-food-may-be-even-worse-for-your-healthAnd why do vegans always want their fake meat to look like real meat products. Weirdos. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 14, 2020 7:03:58 GMT
The strive for veggies and vegans to desperately find alternatives that have meat taste and texture beggars the question.....why not eat the real thing?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 14, 2020 9:35:06 GMT
I hate veganism and vegetarianism in all their forms.
But I find it baffling that I keep seeing this "why do they want their food to look/taste like meat" question. It's pretty simple, they like meat, they think killing animals is wrong, they want their ethical choices to have minimal impact on their diets, they choose ersatz versions of meat.
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