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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2020 22:21:46 GMT
Is it me or do we seem to be getting the rough end of the decision. No game changing ones but last few games everytime an opposition player goes to ground they get a foul.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:23:59 GMT
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Post by josefr on Feb 12, 2020 22:23:59 GMT
They are a shambles in this division aswell
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Feb 12, 2020 22:29:48 GMT
Post by greenman on Feb 12, 2020 22:29:48 GMT
They can`t win can they, Jon Moss had a good game on Sunday in the Sheff u v Bournemoth game but because he didn`t fall for theor cheating he has got criticised, They really are a disgrace and for them to criticise a ref is cheek beyond belief
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Feb 12, 2020 22:34:51 GMT
Post by Glory Hunter on Feb 12, 2020 22:34:51 GMT
Is it me or do we seem to be getting the rough end of the decision. No game changing ones but last few games everytime an opposition player goes to ground they get a foul. We used to moaning about Atkinson etc and would would now kill for him and his cohort. The refs in our league are absolute wank. Tonight’s is a good example of someone who doesn’t know the game. After the McClean incident, 3 pne players surrounded the ref, not to influence him, but to waste another 2 mins which he then allowed them to do. Total wank.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:37:51 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 12, 2020 22:37:51 GMT
Is it me or do we seem to be getting the rough end of the decision. No game changing ones but last few games everytime an opposition player goes to ground they get a foul. We used to moaning about Atkinson etc and would would now kill for him and his cohort. The refs in our league are absolute wank. Tonight’s is a good example of someone who doesn’t know the game. After the McClean incident, 3 pne players surrounded the ref, not to influence him, but to waste another 2 mins which he then allowed them to do. Total wank. He was very weak. I just can’t believe how many fouls are given for minimul contact.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:42:57 GMT
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Post by ryd1967 on Feb 12, 2020 22:42:57 GMT
I've said it week after week. They can't be criticised. They can be poor every week any nothing will be done. The big league has VAR and even then they can't get it right. Something needs to be done, if not the game as we know it will be destroyed.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:46:17 GMT
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Post by 4doorsaloon on Feb 12, 2020 22:46:17 GMT
The big difference with relegation from the prem has been the quality in football and the quality in officials. Massive gulf in class on both parts. Just shows what a great decision it was for the premier league to make referees a full time job. The lower league officials will be back driving buses tomorrow
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Feb 12, 2020 22:49:39 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 12, 2020 22:49:39 GMT
Any quality player at this level gets the shit kicked out of him. The ref has no control.
Preston players just run through the back of every player.
It's fucking shit. Tonight was pathetic, the ref had no control and preston got exactly the game they wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 22:50:43 GMT
I think we've seen with team like Preston since we came down that they prey on refs at this level knowing what they can and can't get away with. The scuffle tonight, their bench gets involved, Pearson pretends to be butted then gets straight up to go again. Anyone with space in the final third gets fouled as they know they can defend balls in
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Post by Glory Hunter on Feb 12, 2020 22:51:16 GMT
Any quality player at this level gets the shit kicked out of him. The ref has no control. Preston players just run through the back of every player. It's fucking shit. Tonight was pathetic, the ref had no control and preston got exactly the game they wanted. The Ref has the choice of control, take decisions book players. The ref was shit.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 12, 2020 22:51:41 GMT
I still wouldn’t want Twatkinson reffing us.
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Post by westlandstokie on Feb 12, 2020 23:01:24 GMT
Tonight's Ref was as weak as they get....he fell for all tricks and the linesman with the yellow flag was just as bad....things happened a few feet away from him and he just stood there waiting for the Ref to give the decision and he just agreed every time....total cowardice ! Re the Preston players....they played the Ref like a fiddle as they knew from the first minute that they could get away with anything The problem is Stoke players are too honest....they get kicked and just get up and carry on...we should be rolling around in agony and then giving these weak Refs a hard time over every decision Not what we want to see but it seems to be the only way to be in this league
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Feb 12, 2020 23:04:11 GMT
Post by datguy on Feb 12, 2020 23:04:11 GMT
He was poor for both teams I thought.
Allen was lucky in the first half.
McClean easily could have walked for the whole winding up Pearson attempt.
And he fell for every trick in their book.
What's the fuckers name? Atleast when Mike Dean or whoever has a shitter you can put a name to their performance. No fucker in the Championship is known.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:05:55 GMT
Post by mrteddysalad on Feb 12, 2020 23:05:55 GMT
another tosser that rewards diving cowards after they get outmuscled for the ball
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Feb 12, 2020 23:09:48 GMT
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 12, 2020 23:09:48 GMT
5 minutes of injury time after 2 goals, 5 subs, 2 lengthy injury delays, the big scuffle and their constant time wasting.
I wasn’t that bothered as couldn’t wait to get home but there should have been about 8 minutes.
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Feb 13, 2020 0:24:22 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 13, 2020 0:24:22 GMT
The Ref. could have added another hour on,and we still wouldn't have scored.
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Feb 13, 2020 0:26:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 0:26:12 GMT
He was poor for both teams I thought. Allen was lucky in the first half. McClean easily could have walked for the whole winding up Pearson attempt. And he fell for every trick in their book. What's the fuckers name? Atleast when Mike Dean or whoever has a shitter you can put a name to their performance. No fucker in the Championship is known. How was Allen lucky? He received a yellow card for a foul that was worthy of a yellow card.
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Feb 13, 2020 0:31:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 0:31:03 GMT
He was poor for both teams I thought. Allen was lucky in the first half. McClean easily could have walked for the whole winding up Pearson attempt. And he fell for every trick in their book. What's the fuckers name? Atleast when Mike Dean or whoever has a shitter you can put a name to their performance. No fucker in the Championship is known. Why should McClean have walked? Pearson pretended to be hit, was the aggressor and could clearly be seen verbally abusing the ref after the incident. Allen's foul was a booking, nothing compared to one earlier by them. Both were yellows The player going down in the corner when Indi put a hand on him was the final straw for me. Linesman was 5 feet away
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Feb 13, 2020 0:43:07 GMT
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Post by tomcmod on Feb 13, 2020 0:43:07 GMT
He was poor for both teams I thought. Allen was lucky in the first half. McClean easily could have walked for the whole winding up Pearson attempt. And he fell for every trick in their book. What's the fuckers name? Atleast when Mike Dean or whoever has a shitter you can put a name to their performance. No fucker in the Championship is known. Allen was lucky? The one with Sinclair was shin on shin, Sinclair jumping in the air made it look worse. I've seen the replay and stick by this. The one in Allen by Johnson, scissor tackle from behind/side was the worse tackle of the game and should have been red.
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Feb 13, 2020 1:02:16 GMT
Post by datguy on Feb 13, 2020 1:02:16 GMT
He was poor for both teams I thought. Allen was lucky in the first half. McClean easily could have walked for the whole winding up Pearson attempt. And he fell for every trick in their book. What's the fuckers name? Atleast when Mike Dean or whoever has a shitter you can put a name to their performance. No fucker in the Championship is known. Why should McClean have walked? Pearson pretended to be hit, was the aggressor and could clearly be seen verbally abusing the ref after the incident. Allen's foul was a booking, nothing compared to one earlier by them. Both were yellows The player going down in the corner when Indi put a hand on him was the final straw for me. Linesman was 5 feet away Eh?
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Feb 13, 2020 1:05:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 1:05:20 GMT
Why should McClean have walked? Pearson pretended to be hit, was the aggressor and could clearly be seen verbally abusing the ref after the incident. Allen's foul was a booking, nothing compared to one earlier by them. Both were yellows The player going down in the corner when Indi put a hand on him was the final straw for me. Linesman was 5 feet away Eh? Did I see it wrong or did Pearson go down then jump back up again? I did once think I was watching Desmonds on TV and turned out was Diane Abbott ...my eyes aren't great
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Feb 14, 2020 7:28:50 GMT
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Post by stokiewillt on Feb 14, 2020 7:28:50 GMT
Personally as a ref I find it really hard to berate the referees as I know how hard it really is. And trust me... it’s the hardest job on the field by a mile.
We talk about referees not being good enough and the odd decision not going our way but they are. They certainly wouldn’t be the level they are without being fantastic referees/assistants.
It takes proabably 15 years + to get to championship and premier league level (a lot longer than it takes a player to get there).
There are also a lot of things we don’t consider. Game management; is giving a red card or a caution the correct thing to do at that time. If they have to go, they have to go. But, there are are lots of situations when referees deal with things differently in order to keep a lid on the game.
I think the idea of calling referees ‘inept’ etc is ridiculous. If a player has one bad game, do we ask them to ‘retrain’? Referee get around 98% of all decisions right ( and that’s without VAR). That’s pretty incredible, and if there is a player with 98% pass accuracy or shots to goals converted then I’d like to see it.
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Feb 14, 2020 9:50:26 GMT
Post by leicspotter on Feb 14, 2020 9:50:26 GMT
Personally as a ref I find it really hard to berate the referees as I know how hard it really is. And trust me... it’s the hardest job on the field by a mile. We talk about referees not being good enough and the odd decision not going our way but they are. They certainly wouldn’t be the level they are without being fantastic referees/assistants. It takes proabably 15 years + to get to championship and premier league level (a lot longer than it takes a player to get there). There are also a lot of things we don’t consider. Game management; is giving a red card or a caution the correct thing to do at that time. If they have to go, they have to go. But, there are are lots of situations when referees deal with things differently in order to keep a lid on the game. I think the idea of calling referees ‘inept’ etc is ridiculous. If a player has one bad game, do we ask them to ‘retrain’? Referee get around 98% of all decisions right ( and that’s without VAR). That’s pretty incredible, and if there is a player with 98% pass accuracy or shots to goals converted then I’d like to see it. I've said many times on here that it is hard for refs, mainly because of all the cheating that goes on from the players. However, Brookes was out of his depth, there was no "game management" from him on Wednesday, just allowing Preston players to take the piss. He 'bottled'the big decisions and made too many mistakes to be given much credit for his performance. For the most part this season the refs have been 'ok' and pretty even handed, some even 'invisible' in a good way, one or two poor, in terms of inconsistency and seeming bias. This guy was just poor for 90 minutes, and totally pathetic for about 5 more. I would love to see what the assessors, and managers, wrote about him. MON doesn't come out and criticise officials, but I bet he scored him low. Neil probably gave him 10 out of 10 and the assessor's mark would, I guess, be bang average 'cos none of the refs ever seem to get "censured", unless of course some snowflake like Gosling bleats to the press. When "assistant referees" were called linesmen I'm sure they got more involved in decisions, now they don't even flag for throw ins until they see which way the ref is pointing...truly sad. I wonder if any of them remember the signal for a penalty?
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Feb 14, 2020 13:00:41 GMT
Post by thequietman on Feb 14, 2020 13:00:41 GMT
I've been saying for quite a while that Championship refs have almost the opposite bias to Premier League refs.
In the Prem I often had the feeling that the bigger clubs got away with murder against us because we were a small, unfashionable club.
In the Championship, we appear to be one of the bigger dogs. Not my opinion, very much that of other clubs' fans that I've spoken to - largely based on the fact that we were a solid Premiership team for a decade.
So for matches in the Championship we regularly appear to get the shitty end of the stick re ref decisions. Given the reduced skill level in general, there are maybe more fouls that the refs let go than would happen in the Prem. I've no problem with that at all, who wants to watch a game where there's a free kick every 30 seconds? But there ought to be a balance to refs letting similar fouls go for both sides. Maybe it's my Stokie blinkers but it does seem that we get penalised more than many of our opponents because we're "a big club". (Which we're not IMHO - we just batted well above our average for 10 years or so).
Similarly there's probably much less "simulation" (diving) in the Championship than the Prem. Largely because Bournemouth aren't in the Champ? But again our opponents seem to get away with so much more than we do. Blinkers again, maybe, but I've seen it over and over in matches not involving Stoke where one of the teams is clearly a bigger club than their opponents and are much more harshly treated by the refs. Leeds anyone? They're horrible scum but they often get a rougher deal than even us.
Maybe we've just not been clever enough to foul/dive as well as our opponents since we came down. It's a horrible thing to comtemplate in my book, but hey ho. Until we wise up a bit, and stay in the Championship long enough to lose our "big club" tag, it'll probably continue.
SJW was probably the best player we've had in my lifetime for drawing fouls, or for fouling opponents and getting away with it. C'mon MON, call him in as an expert to give us some intense masterclasses.
It's a tough job being a ref for sure, all I want is parity for every club. Except Leeds. The refs can do them over as much as they want, the b&$¬&/[s.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2020 13:05:11 GMT
I've been saying for quite a while that Championship refs have almost the opposite bias to Premier League refs. In the Prem I often had the feeling that the bigger clubs got away with murder against us because we were a small, unfashionable club. In the Championship, we appear to be one of the bigger dogs. Not my opinion, very much that of other clubs' fans that I've spoken to - largely based on the fact that we were a solid Premiership team for a decade. So for matches in the Championship we regularly appear to get the shitty end of the stick re ref decisions. Given the reduced skill level in general, there are maybe more fouls that the refs let go than would happen in the Prem. I've no problem with that at all, who wants to watch a game where there's a free kick every 30 seconds? But there ought to be a balance to refs letting similar fouls go for both sides. Maybe it's my Stokie blinkers but it does seem that we get penalised more than many of our opponents because we're "a big club". (Which we're not IMHO - we just batted well above our average for 10 years or so). Similarly there's probably much less "simulation" (diving) in the Championship than the Prem. Largely because Bournemouth aren't in the Champ? But again our opponents seem to get away with so much more than we do. Blinkers again, maybe, but I've seen it over and over in matches not involving Stoke where one of the teams is clearly a bigger club than their opponents and are much more harshly treated by the refs. Leeds anyone? They're horrible scum but they often get a rougher deal than even us. Maybe we've just not been clever enough to foul/dive as well as our opponents since we came down. It's a horrible thing to comtemplate in my book, but hey ho. Until we wise up a bit, and stay in the Championship long enough to lose our "big club" tag, it'll probably continue. SJW was probably the best player we've had in my lifetime for drawing fouls, or for fouling opponents and getting away with it. C'mon MON, call him in as an expert to give us some intense masterclasses. It's a tough job being a ref for sure, all I want is parity for every club. Except Leeds. The refs can do them over as much as they want, the b&$¬&/[s.
We just need refs to get better. There's no masterclass needed when refs are reluctant to give fouls for us like the one on Verlinden.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Feb 14, 2020 13:06:16 GMT
Personally as a ref I find it really hard to berate the referees as I know how hard it really is. And trust me... it’s the hardest job on the field by a mile. We talk about referees not being good enough and the odd decision not going our way but they are. They certainly wouldn’t be the level they are without being fantastic referees/assistants. It takes proabably 15 years + to get to championship and premier league level (a lot longer than it takes a player to get there). There are also a lot of things we don’t consider. Game management; is giving a red card or a caution the correct thing to do at that time. If they have to go, they have to go. But, there are are lots of situations when referees deal with things differently in order to keep a lid on the game. I think the idea of calling referees ‘inept’ etc is ridiculous. If a player has one bad game, do we ask them to ‘retrain’? Referee get around 98% of all decisions right ( and that’s without VAR). That’s pretty incredible, and if there is a player with 98% pass accuracy or shots to goals converted then I’d like to see it. Fair enough Stokiewillt but, in my opinion several refs are either totally inept or corrupt. (watch Atkinson v Newcastle and tell me different because after that performance he was awarded the League Cup Final). There's a reason we've got VAR and that's because refs can't do the job or are corrupt. (if you except the corrupt theory it may explain why refs are trying hard to undermine it). I'm tired of getting stitched up by refs going back to Kirkpatrick at Anfield, two League Cup Semis not to mention Rob Styles.etc. etc.
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Post by werrington on Feb 14, 2020 13:26:25 GMT
Personally as a ref I find it really hard to berate the referees as I know how hard it really is. And trust me... it’s the hardest job on the field by a mile. We talk about referees not being good enough and the odd decision not going our way but they are. They certainly wouldn’t be the level they are without being fantastic referees/assistants. It takes proabably 15 years + to get to championship and premier league level (a lot longer than it takes a player to get there). There are also a lot of things we don’t consider. Game management; is giving a red card or a caution the correct thing to do at that time. If they have to go, they have to go. But, there are are lots of situations when referees deal with things differently in order to keep a lid on the game. I think the idea of calling referees ‘inept’ etc is ridiculous. If a player has one bad game, do we ask them to ‘retrain’? Referee get around 98% of all decisions right ( and that’s without VAR). That’s pretty incredible, and if there is a player with 98% pass accuracy or shots to goals converted then I’d like to see it. Fair enough Stokiewillt but, in my opinion several refs are either totally inept or corrupt. (watch Atkinson v Newcastle and tell me different because after that performance he was awarded the League Cup Final). There's a reason we've got VAR and that's because refs can't do the job or are corrupt. (if you except the corrupt theory it may explain why refs are trying hard to undermine it). I'm tired of getting stitched up by refs going back to Kirkpatrick at Anfield, two League Cup Semis not to mention Rob Styles.etc. etc. That Atkinson “ performance “ still doesn’t sit right with me Something sinister happened that day and his continual decisions in other games given against us were not poor decisions ....they were fuck you decisions Roger East v Birmingham at home also last season was another “performance” that imo was predetermined Apart from that ref the other night I’ve not got an issue with many refs this season
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 13:27:30 GMT
Personally as a ref I find it really hard to berate the referees as I know how hard it really is. And trust me... it’s the hardest job on the field by a mile. We talk about referees not being good enough and the odd decision not going our way but they are. They certainly wouldn’t be the level they are without being fantastic referees/assistants. It takes proabably 15 years + to get to championship and premier league level (a lot longer than it takes a player to get there). There are also a lot of things we don’t consider. Game management; is giving a red card or a caution the correct thing to do at that time. If they have to go, they have to go. But, there are are lots of situations when referees deal with things differently in order to keep a lid on the game. I think the idea of calling referees ‘inept’ etc is ridiculous. If a player has one bad game, do we ask them to ‘retrain’? Referee get around 98% of all decisions right ( and that’s without VAR). That’s pretty incredible, and if there is a player with 98% pass accuracy or shots to goals converted then I’d like to see it. If a Premier League referee gets involved controversy when reffing the big boys it gets plastered all over the papers and sparks lots of debate on the radio. If he repeats that several times and his name becomes synonymous with it he's less likely to get the nod for major finals or on the list for European and International tournaments. If he makes controversial decisions involving the smaller, less fashionable clubs then it's mentioned on MOTD and forgotten about. Take Michael Oliver for example in our televised match against Swansea when he penalised Ryan for grappling in the box. You'll never convince me whilst I have a hole in my arse that that wasn't a premeditated decision to show that he was the man brave enough to clamp down on an area of the game that was being highlighted as an issue. Ryan Shawcross. Stoke City. In a game against Swansea that otherwise no one would have given two shits about. Fast forward a week to the Chelsea v Man Utd game, John Terry and a Man Utd player who's name escapes me were pulling each other shirts off 2 yards in front of the same man. Exactly the same scenrio, just two different teams. Of course he turned a blind eye. Do I think refs have a tough job? Absolutely Do I think they're corrupt? No Do I think they have a conscious/unconscious bias towards the bigger teams during tight calls to protect their careers and get to the top? 100%........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 13:28:53 GMT
Fair enough Stokiewillt but, in my opinion several refs are either totally inept or corrupt. (watch Atkinson v Newcastle and tell me different because after that performance he was awarded the League Cup Final). There's a reason we've got VAR and that's because refs can't do the job or are corrupt. (if you except the corrupt theory it may explain why refs are trying hard to undermine it). I'm tired of getting stitched up by refs going back to Kirkpatrick at Anfield, two League Cup Semis not to mention Rob Styles.etc. etc. That Atkinson “ performance “ still doesn’t sit right with me Something sinister happened that day and his continual decisions in other games given against us were not poor decisions ....they were fuck you decisions Roger East v Birmingham at home also last season was another “performance” that imo was predetermined Andrew Hall v Coventry. A Stoke fan must have broken into his house and took a dump on his living room floor to justify his performance that day.....
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Post by werrington on Feb 14, 2020 13:31:25 GMT
That Atkinson “ performance “ still doesn’t sit right with me Something sinister happened that day and his continual decisions in other games given against us were not poor decisions ....they were fuck you decisions Roger East v Birmingham at home also last season was another “performance” that imo was predetermined Andrew Hall v Coventry. A Stoke fan must have broken into his house and took a dump on his living room floor to justify his performance that day..... He was that bad that day Pulis and McAlastair did a joint press conference after the match
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