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Post by numpty40 on Feb 8, 2020 23:20:09 GMT
You're forgetting how many goals and points he cost us in the first third of the season, as he was out of his depth as a defender. Granted it was supremely poor management skills that placed him there, but he still showed serious deficits as a player. He isn't a defender though is he.How anyone can bemoan a player who gamely played whilst totally out of position is beyond me. I'm just struggling to understand the accolades now he is playing in position
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Post by adi on Feb 8, 2020 23:23:26 GMT
I’m Sure federici or Vokes would’ve faired just as poorly. Wrong position in a wank team. Not his fault . When he failed to tackle the opposition forwards, and he did on a number of occasions, the blame is his. I’d look at the defence first unless I had an agenda
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Post by adi on Feb 8, 2020 23:25:31 GMT
You're forgetting how many goals and points he cost us in the first third of the season, as he was out of his depth as a defender. Granted it was supremely poor management skills that placed him there, but he still showed serious deficits as a player. He isn't a defender though is he.How anyone can bemoan a player who gamely played whilst totally out of position is beyond me. Lack of sense? Other than that I can only think an agenda? He’s been good overall in my opinion.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 8, 2020 23:32:54 GMT
I actually think McClean has been poor for the last 3 consecutive games and getting worse in each game. Player of the season 'hands down' at the moment is undoubtedly Sam Clucas. Don’t agree. Scores a few good goals, buhh thy generally looks lost.
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Post by neckender78 on Feb 8, 2020 23:38:07 GMT
We've spent majority of the season in relegation zone with the biggest wage bill in the league. They should all hang their heads in shame. He has been worse than bang average most games. He is a hypocrite and he can have his his beliefs as can all of us who dont agree with him so dont start all the debate again.
Forget player, MON deserves our saviour of the season
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Post by thicknthin on Feb 8, 2020 23:39:14 GMT
He must have put 20 crosses in today, none anywhere near a Stoke player.
He should get player of the year. Player of the year for every team we play against!
Respect his effort, respect his commitment. If he was a kid or a free I would probably love him. Given the fee, the wage and the overall contribution. Nope not for me, move him on. I expect more.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Feb 8, 2020 23:42:12 GMT
He must have put 20 crosses in today, none anywhere near a Stoke player. He should get player of the year. Player of the year for every team we play against! Respect his effort, respect his commitment. If he was a kid or a free I would probably love him. Given the fee, the wage and the overall contribution. Nope not for me, move him on. I expect more. You certainly live up to the first part of your name! 🧐
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 8, 2020 23:52:35 GMT
Allen was piss poor for months but has improved vastly under MON, however he's the highest paid player in this league and is only now showing any form resembling it, it only took him 60+ games in this league.
McClean huffs and puffs, you know what you're gonna get and has the odd great game here and there. The facts are his crossing is erratic and albeit out of position he was fucking wank under Jones.
Clucas, top scorer, set pieces getting better and is a steady Eddie but fuck me he doesn't half go missing at times. Can go long periods of games without even realising he's touched the ball.
For me if our good form continues to the end of the season there's a very good chance that Nick Powell injury free, could pip the lot.
Our transition to 4-2-3-1 has made our season, it's pushed us 15/20 yards up the pitch, has helped to instil some discipline in to Allen and clucas & has also taken away the creative burden off the pair of them.
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Post by thicknthin on Feb 9, 2020 0:03:29 GMT
He must have put 20 crosses in today, none anywhere near a Stoke player. He should get player of the year. Player of the year for every team we play against! Respect his effort, respect his commitment. If he was a kid or a free I would probably love him. Given the fee, the wage and the overall contribution. Nope not for me, move him on. I expect more. You certainly live up to the first part of your name! 🧐 Well if you live where your user name is, you don’t have to watch thick Neanderthal-man grunting up and down the line on a too regular basis. No right foot, can’t head, rash in the tackle, so enlighten me oh great one, why is he so good?
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Post by portugalpotter on Feb 9, 2020 3:15:59 GMT
Campbell for me. I’m always pissed when I watch the game though .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 8:16:16 GMT
Campbell for me. I’m always pissed when I watch the game though . He might qualify for most promising or most improved player, but he's played too few games at this point for player of the season, who should be someone who played for most of the season.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 9, 2020 8:31:36 GMT
He isn't a defender though is he.How anyone can bemoan a player who gamely played whilst totally out of position is beyond me. I'm just struggling to understand the accolades now he is playing in position Are you? Oh dear!
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 9, 2020 8:36:10 GMT
He isn't a defender though is he.How anyone can bemoan a player who gamely played whilst totally out of position is beyond me. The fact is he played there, didn't he? He didn't tell Jones, 'drop me I'm useless.' Of course he didn't he played where he was told to like all good pro's.Silly comment!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 9:18:17 GMT
Until Mon took over, most, if not all of the players were piss poor, not a single one deserved the player of the season, but MON is now getting them performing, there are now a few candidates for POTS, At this moment I would say McClean is in pole position.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 9, 2020 9:25:16 GMT
I think the winner will be whoever has been the least poor. As has been mentioned, when we sit back and reflect on this season(hopefully relegation avoided) the players should be ashamed....really poor performances by too many,for too long. Thank God we have MON and something to look forward to next year.
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Post by ravey123 on Feb 9, 2020 9:38:18 GMT
I think the winner will be whoever has been the least poor. As has been mentioned, when we sit back and reflect on this season(hopefully relegation avoided) the players should be ashamed....really poor performances by too many,for too long. Thank God we have MON and something to look forward to next year. We've been such a shambles under Jones so I think any "best player" list only needs to take the MON tenure into account. My top 10 are currently 1 - Maclean 2 - Campbell 3 - Allen 4 - BMI 5 - Butland 6 - Clucas 7 - Powell 8 - Smith 9 - Batth 10 - Lindsay
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 9, 2020 13:57:03 GMT
Nick Powell has been brilliant of late. Sam Clucas has been great in spells too. Allen has started to find a bit of form since O'Neill came in. Players like Campbell have been a breath of fresh air in spells too. The one constant throughout the season though, even at the start when we were beyond shit. And continuing now that we've found a bit of form. The player that always gives absolutely everything. The one that has chipped in with goals, the odd assist and tracked back and stuck his foot in too. The one who has done it with ridiculous abuse from away fans, and never let his head drop. The one player that epitomises the Stoke City of old. True grit and determination, and resilience in abundance. Step forward one James McClean. Take a bow son. Hard to argue with that. And it's not just the criticism of the away fans he's had to silence at times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 14:24:52 GMT
Campbell for me. I’m always pissed when I watch the game though . He might qualify for most promising or most improved player, but he's played too few games at this point for player of the season, who should be someone who played for most of the season. I’d argue that we should only be considering from when MON took charge, there’s little a team can do when you have someone so clueless telling you to play a way that you aren’t suited to.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 9, 2020 14:27:08 GMT
Said it on another thread about him, warm genuine applause for him is something I never expected to see Stoke fans give him. Delighted for him, and hope he views us in the same light the vast majority of us do.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 9, 2020 15:19:51 GMT
Any player at the club should be hugely embarrassed to accept a player of the season award.
We have been dreadful in all departments for most of the season. Two or three decent games by any individual doesn’t cut it.
Save the budget for any proposed end of season awards affair and donate it to a worthy charity.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 9, 2020 16:02:15 GMT
He’s been fairly good since MON arrived but if we want to push on next season we’ll need a lot more quality Look at our finances, we won’t be signing many players more effective than Jimmy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 18:03:19 GMT
The fact is he played there, didn't he? He didn't tell Jones, 'drop me I'm useless.' Of course he didn't he played where he was told to like all good pro's.Silly comment! Right. So we must judge him on where he played and nothing else...
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 9, 2020 18:05:33 GMT
Nobody was very good under Jones, but after O'Neill's arrival Allen has stood out in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 18:05:38 GMT
He’s been fairly good since MON arrived but if we want to push on next season we’ll need a lot more quality Look at our finances, we won’t be signing many players more effective than Jimmy Another season in the bottom third then next season; for this has been his speciality here.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 9, 2020 18:43:56 GMT
Can't fault McClean for effort and I don't dislike him but player of the year ?... really ? watch yesterdays game again. I believe Maclean has made the most crosses in the entire division, if and when he gets his head up and puts some in which actually beat the first defender or are within 5 yards of a red and white shirt then he will look a better player. Joe Allen is head and shoulders above everybody else under MON. Except in terms of height
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Feb 9, 2020 18:52:09 GMT
Any player at the club should be hugely embarrassed to accept a player of the season award. We have been dreadful in all departments for most of the season. Two or three decent games by any individual doesn’t cut it. Save the budget for any proposed end of season awards affair and donate it to a worthy charity. Good shout, I'd just give all the end if season awards to MON plus as big a contract as we can afford to give him.
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Post by anchorman on Feb 9, 2020 18:52:39 GMT
Nick Powell has been brilliant of late. Sam Clucas has been great in spells too. Allen has started to find a bit of form since O'Neill came in. Players like Campbell have been a breath of fresh air in spells too. The one constant throughout the season though, even at the start when we were beyond shit. And continuing now that we've found a bit of form. The player that always gives absolutely everything. The one that has chipped in with goals, the odd assist and tracked back and stuck his foot in too. The one who has done it with ridiculous abuse from away fans, and never let his head drop. The one player that epitomises the Stoke City of old. True grit and determination, and resilience in abundance. Step forward one James McClean. Take a bow son. You're forgetting how many goals and points he cost us in the first third of the season, as he was out of his depth as a defender. Granted it was supremely poor management skills that placed him there, but he still showed serious deficits as a player. What? He was played out of position, a position he had never played in within a system that gave him no protection, left him vulnerable in every way and you choose to criticise him. On a far more positive note, he got his head down, worked hard and didn’t complain or moan & groan once as he was effectively hung out to dry. Since MON arrived JM restored to his natural position has been brilliant. Definitely player of the season for me.
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2020 19:04:01 GMT
Can't fault McClean for effort and I don't dislike him but player of the year ?... really ? watch yesterdays game again. I believe Maclean has made the most crosses in the entire division, if and when he gets his head up and puts some in which actually beat the first defender or are within 5 yards of a red and white shirt then he will look a better player. Joe Allen is head and shoulders above everybody else under MON. Except in terms of height He was head and shoulders above that Charlton player, smallest footballer I've ever seen
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Post by Lesalanos on Feb 9, 2020 19:49:35 GMT
Maclean has consistently given his all, he's never shirked. Yes he's had bad games, missed chances and his crossing when off has been poor.
I can cope with underperforming or limited players, but I can't do with those that don't try, hide, or just don't fulfill potential.
He's single hr handedly pulled us through some games and I for one will be voting for him as it stands.
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Post by pushon on Feb 9, 2020 20:00:58 GMT
Joe Allen, always involved never shirks a tackle, wins a disproportionate amount of headers for a small man. Acknowledgement to MacLean and Clucas, but it's Joe who makes the team tick.
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