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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2020 14:42:27 GMT
Badou won the Turkish cup the other day.
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Post by lordb on Aug 2, 2020 14:57:53 GMT
Badou won the Turkish cup the other day. On his own? Impressive
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Post by mamasgloves on Aug 2, 2020 16:47:19 GMT
Badou won the Turkish cup the other day. On his own? Impressive Don't be silly, just like he didn't lose games on his own while he was here despite what some keep insisting
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Post by neddy on Aug 2, 2020 17:05:11 GMT
I still think this all could be linked to FFP. I go back to the fact we couldn’t take Brunt in Jan unless Bruno went. That implied to me wages were at the limit if we couldn’t take on an extra say £10/15k per week?
So what changed well to date Frederici, Ward and Diouf have left so what do you reckon in total £50k per week?
With Bauer, Wimmer, Badou and Etebo returning and Woods gone? So say that lot could be what £80k per week so £30k down needing to stay level until we can move on so no room to increase squad until something changes?
Thoughts?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2020 17:52:01 GMT
Badou won the Turkish cup the other day. On his own? Impressive Doubt he broke sweat. That’s if he even played in the game
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 17:55:10 GMT
I still think this all could be linked to FFP. I go back to the fact we couldn’t take Brunt in Jan unless Bruno went. That implied to me wages were at the limit if we couldn’t take on an extra say £10/15k per week? So what changed well to date Frederici, Ward and Diouf have left so what do you reckon in total £50k per week? With Bauer, Wimmer, Badou and Etebo returning and Woods gone? So say that lot could be what £80k per week so £30k down needing to stay level until we can move on so no room to increase squad until something changes? Thoughts? Not many...but Diouf was on 80k a week. Some or all of the returnees' wages were already paid by ourselves in part or in full during their absence. How much? A secret of the trade. If it was in full for, say Bauer who's pretty useless as a player but on a whim was given a huge five year contract, it would make scfc look pretty stupid (well even more stupid than already), so they'd be reluctant to announce it. So provided we don't run out and splash excessive money this window, things could be said to look a little bit better.
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Post by neddy on Aug 2, 2020 17:58:25 GMT
I still think this all could be linked to FFP. I go back to the fact we couldn’t take Brunt in Jan unless Bruno went. That implied to me wages were at the limit if we couldn’t take on an extra say £10/15k per week? So what changed well to date Frederici, Ward and Diouf have left so what do you reckon in total £50k per week? With Bauer, Wimmer, Badou and Etebo returning and Woods gone? So say that lot could be what £80k per week so £30k down needing to stay level until we can move on so no room to increase squad until something changes? Thoughts? Not many...but Diouf was on 80k a week. Some or all of the returnees' wages were already paid by ourselves in part or in full during their absence. How much? A secret of the trade. If it was in full for, say Bauer who's pretty useless as a player but on a whim was given a huge five year contract, it would make scfc look pretty stupid (well even more stupid than already), so they'd be reluctant to announce it. So provided we don't run out and splash excessive money this window, things could be said to look a little bit better. Wouldn’t Diouf have had his money reduced on relegation?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 17:59:02 GMT
Doubt he broke sweat. That’s if he even played in the game He might not have. He was a 90th minute sub.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2020 18:01:35 GMT
Doubt he broke sweat. That’s if he even played in the game He might not have. He was a 90th minute sub. And there you go👍🏻
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 18:03:06 GMT
Not many...but Diouf was on 80k a week. Some or all of the returnees' wages were already paid by ourselves in part or in full during their absence. How much? A secret of the trade. If it was in full for, say Bauer who's pretty useless as a player but on a whim was given a huge five year contract, it would make scfc look pretty stupid (well even more stupid than already), so they'd be reluctant to announce it. So provided we don't run out and splash excessive money this window, things could be said to look a little bit better. Wouldn’t Diouf have had his money reduced on relegation? Not according to transfermarkt, who are usually reasonably reliable. But of course neither they nor we can be totally sure.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 2, 2020 18:34:16 GMT
I still think this all could be linked to FFP. I go back to the fact we couldn’t take Brunt in Jan unless Bruno went. That implied to me wages were at the limit if we couldn’t take on an extra say £10/15k per week? So what changed well to date Frederici, Ward and Diouf have left so what do you reckon in total £50k per week? With Bauer, Wimmer, Badou and Etebo returning and Woods gone? So say that lot could be what £80k per week so £30k down needing to stay level until we can move on so no room to increase squad until something changes? Thoughts? Not many...but Diouf was on 80k a week. Some or all of the returnees' wages were already paid by ourselves in part or in full during their absence. How much? A secret of the trade. If it was in full for, say Bauer who's pretty useless as a player but on a whim was given a huge five year contract, it would make scfc look pretty stupid (well even more stupid than already), so they'd be reluctant to announce it. So provided we don't run out and splash excessive money this window, things could be said to look a little bit better. There's no chance diouf was on 80k, that might have been his top end after bonuses pay when he signed but not a chance he's been getting that recently. There's not been a sniff of us trying to loan him out like some of the others and he's barely had a sniff at getting in the team so there's no way we'd just let a player earning almost 9% of the wage bill to just see out his contract.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 2, 2020 19:01:14 GMT
Fuck knows what is happening with Etebo.
He did well at getafe, but got an injury near the end there, then his dad died so he went back to Nigeria, where his missus and kid also are, and then because of travel restrictions he's missed games he would have been picked for and Getafe aren't going to spend the money anyway.
I think we should sort things out and get him and his family over here and settled for the year ahead, and tell him to focus on football for the first time in a while.
Badou, well I can't understand how we can't at least get a couple of million for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 20:02:14 GMT
Not many...but Diouf was on 80k a week. Some or all of the returnees' wages were already paid by ourselves in part or in full during their absence. How much? A secret of the trade. If it was in full for, say Bauer who's pretty useless as a player but on a whim was given a huge five year contract, it would make scfc look pretty stupid (well even more stupid than already), so they'd be reluctant to announce it. So provided we don't run out and splash excessive money this window, things could be said to look a little bit better. There's no chance diouf was on 80k, that might have been his top end after bonuses pay when he signed but not a chance he's been getting that recently. There's not been a sniff of us trying to loan him out like some of the others and he's barely had a sniff at getting in the team so there's no way we'd just let a player earning almost 9% of the wage bill to just see out his contract. Unless he was earning 160k before relegation. Don't forget Diouf originally signed on a free, which gave him/his agent broader options for negotiating a good deal. Perhaps one of many we would live to regret. Jones did banish him to the bomb squad, maybe to get rid of his wages, O'Neill brought him back, but by the time he had taken full stock of the situation here, there was only six months left of his deal. Perhaps acknowledging Mame's popularity at the club (if not by all supporters), the contract was allowed to run out. You could say it was a bit of a mess but that's scfc for you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 20:07:28 GMT
Fuck knows what is happening with Etebo. He did well at getafe, but got an injury near the end there, then his dad died so he went back to Nigeria, where his missus and kid also are, and then because of travel restrictions he's missed games he would have been picked for and Getafe aren't going to spend the money anyway. I think we should sort things out and get him and his family over here and settled for the year ahead, and tell him to focus on football for the first time in a while. Badou, well I can't understand how we can't at least get a couple of million for him. We probably could but then there's the small matter of his wages, which few non-top clubs can pay. Also will the board accept such a heavy loss on the transfer fee. Well they might in order to move on, but unless we want to pay his wages at whatever club he signs with, he's not going.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 3, 2020 6:27:28 GMT
Gutting really because if both lived to their potential,stoke would have an amazing midfield. Players are happy to sign big contracts four months from the end of a season in which stoke were in the bottom clubs so knew relegation was a real possibility. Another smack of signing a player who thinks stoke is beneath them, thinkingbthey can get into english football and force moves elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 6:47:41 GMT
Can we really be sure that both of these players don't want to play for the club? Or is this a case of they were viewed as our most saleable assets and a situation engineered to allow them to leave, first on loan with a view to them doing well and being sold for a fee at a later date (before COVID obviously!) ?
I know the number of stories the manager has painted about both have been played out in the media but both players performed under Nathan Jones, and Badou in particular, was outstanding when he came into the side.
Football clubs and managers can also be guilty of playing underhand tactics when it comes to players, just like players and agents can play games too. I wonder if there is a way back for either, especially if we get a tempting offer for one or more of Allen and Clucas?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2020 7:27:38 GMT
Can we really be sure that both of these players don't want to play for the club? Or is this a case of they were viewed as our most saleable assets and a situation engineered to allow them to leave, first on loan with a view to them doing well and being sold for a fee at a later date (before COVID obviously!) ? I know the number of stories the manager has painted about both have been played out in the media but both players performed under Nathan Jones, and Badou in particular, was outstanding when he came into the side. Football clubs and managers can also be guilty of playing underhand tactics when it comes to players, just like players and agents can play games too. I wonder if there is a way back for either, especially if we get a tempting offer for one or more of Allen and Clucas? I thought it was pretty evident in their performances to be honest, strangely, in Etebo's more than Badou. Both are hugely overrated and offered very little in truth.
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Post by flea79 on Aug 3, 2020 7:28:44 GMT
Two luxury players, we could manage with one if they committed to the cause
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 13:52:12 GMT
Can we really be sure that both of these players don't want to play for the club? Or is this a case of they were viewed as our most saleable assets and a situation engineered to allow them to leave, first on loan with a view to them doing well and being sold for a fee at a later date (before COVID obviously!) ? I know the number of stories the manager has painted about both have been played out in the media but both players performed under Nathan Jones, and Badou in particular, was outstanding when he came into the side. Football clubs and managers can also be guilty of playing underhand tactics when it comes to players, just like players and agents can play games too. I wonder if there is a way back for either, especially if we get a tempting offer for one or more of Allen and Clucas? I've been arguing for keeping them and integrating them into the squad, so we could finally get something for our expenses. However they haven't exactly made it easy for themselves, by stating in various degrees that they are not coming back to Stoke. However I don't take such tabloid headlines too seriously. If you're interviewed in the Turkish press of course you say what they want to hear, and even if you don't they will still print what they want their readers to read. Again I think it should be put to them that playing for a play off form/promotion seeking Stoke could actually be beneficial for their careers, rather than threatening them with bomb squads or similar. O'Neill may have to swallow some early statements he made about them, but he can always claim he was misqouted or something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 15:48:06 GMT
Gutting really because if both lived to their potential,stoke would have an amazing midfield. Players are happy to sign big contracts four months from the end of a season in which stoke were in the bottom clubs so knew relegation was a real possibility. Another smack of signing a player who thinks stoke is beneath them, thinkingbthey can get into english football and force moves elsewhere. Both players arrived on the scfc radar when we were ending ninth every season. Not unreasonable for them to think they would be playing for a decent club that would eventually play in Europe, not least thanks to their efforts. By the time we'd won the Europa - and thus qualified for the Champions League - Chelsea, Citeh, Barca, Bayern (the club), Real were sure to be queuing to sign them. Might be that they were foolish and downhearted, but it was a beautiful dream.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 3, 2020 16:00:20 GMT
lets not fall in to the same trap again stear clear of all the foreign players just buy British, give me players like Whelan Lawrence and delap any day of the week, might not be as gifted but they gave there all in our team,its the foreign greedy fuckers that sent us down
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Post by lordb on Aug 3, 2020 16:04:58 GMT
Not many...but Diouf was on 80k a week. Some or all of the returnees' wages were already paid by ourselves in part or in full during their absence. How much? A secret of the trade. If it was in full for, say Bauer who's pretty useless as a player but on a whim was given a huge five year contract, it would make scfc look pretty stupid (well even more stupid than already), so they'd be reluctant to announce it. So provided we don't run out and splash excessive money this window, things could be said to look a little bit better. Wouldn’t Diouf have had his money reduced on relegation? yes he did & then another one at teh end of 2018/19 season as we failed to reach the play offs he wasn't on £80k a week, he had a very big signing on fee
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 3, 2020 16:32:54 GMT
Gutting really because if both lived to their potential,stoke would have an amazing midfield. Players are happy to sign big contracts four months from the end of a season in which stoke were in the bottom clubs so knew relegation was a real possibility. Another smack of signing a player who thinks stoke is beneath them, thinkingbthey can get into english football and force moves elsewhere. Both players arrived on the scfc radar when we were ending ninth every season. Not unreasonable for them to think they would be playing for a decent club that would eventually play in Europe, not least thanks to their efforts. By the time we'd won the Europa - and thus qualified for the Champions League - Chelsea, Citeh, Barca, Bayern (the club), Real were sure to be queuing to sign them. Might be that they were foolish and downhearted, but it was a beautiful dream. Must be that silly money skewed their view on reality. Badou arrived on last day of the transfer season when we were festering at the bottom of the premier league. Having been the whipping boys of the league, 10 games since keeping a clean sheet, crashed out of the fa cup, a manager who publicly stated "who else is going to do it", much fan unrest after the failure to sack him in the previous season, manager then finally sacked and replaced by a cheap back up, a blind man on a galloping horse could see that we were never going to be touching distance of both, europe whatever for a while. If we were then he should have known the job he was required to do once signed. Etebo followed him in june 2018 when we had been relegated, sacked the back up and no gone balls deep for rowett he knew he was playing championship football so cannot even use the excuse of he wanted premier league football. Money,money,money gave thema toe in the door to then turn round and say, nah sorry boss this dog fight ain't for me. I don't go for the where we come from that lured them, it's where we were that should have helped them make their mind up, I'm sure helped by the kerching
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:00:41 GMT
Both players arrived on the scfc radar when we were ending ninth every season. Not unreasonable for them to think they would be playing for a decent club that would eventually play in Europe, not least thanks to their efforts. By the time we'd won the Europa - and thus qualified for the Champions League - Chelsea, Citeh, Barca, Bayern (the club), Real were sure to be queuing to sign them. Might be that they were foolish and downhearted, but it was a beautiful dream. Must be that silly money skewed their view on reality. Badou arrived on last day of the transfer season when we were festering at the bottom of the premier league. Having been the whipping boys of the league, 10 games since keeping a clean sheet, crashed out of the fa cup, a manager who publicly stated "who else is going to do it", much fan unrest after the failure to sack him in the previous season, manager then finally sacked and replaced by a cheap back up, a blind man on a galloping horse could see that we were never going to be touching distance of both, europe whatever for a while. If we were then he should have known the job he was required to do once signed. Etebo followed him in june 2018 when we had been relegated, sacked the back up and no gone balls deep for rowett he knew he was playing championship football so cannot even use the excuse of he wanted premier league football. Money,money,money gave thema toe in the door to then turn round and say, nah sorry boss this dog fight ain't for me. I don't go for the where we come from that lured them, it's where we were that should have helped them make their mind up, I'm sure helped by the kerching You're thinking they followed the Premier League in every minute detail just like you did. Reality is they didn't have the first clue about who Stoke City was. Oh and Etebo joined in June, but the deal was struck much earlier, just too late for the January transfer window.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 3, 2020 17:11:20 GMT
Must be that silly money skewed their view on reality. Badou arrived on last day of the transfer season when we were festering at the bottom of the premier league. Having been the whipping boys of the league, 10 games since keeping a clean sheet, crashed out of the fa cup, a manager who publicly stated "who else is going to do it", much fan unrest after the failure to sack him in the previous season, manager then finally sacked and replaced by a cheap back up, a blind man on a galloping horse could see that we were never going to be touching distance of both, europe whatever for a while. If we were then he should have known the job he was required to do once signed. Etebo followed him in june 2018 when we had been relegated, sacked the back up and no gone balls deep for rowett he knew he was playing championship football so cannot even use the excuse of he wanted premier league football. Money,money,money gave thema toe in the door to then turn round and say, nah sorry boss this dog fight ain't for me. I don't go for the where we come from that lured them, it's where we were that should have helped them make their mind up, I'm sure helped by the kerching You're thinking they followed the Premier League in every minute detail just like you did. Reality is they didn't have the first clue about who Stoke City was. Oh and Etebo joined in June, but the deal was struck much earlier, just too late for the January transfer window. It wasnt me who initially alluded to the premier league, your response was that they were joining 9th placed stoke city, they thought they were joining a better team. The point I was making was at the time they were joining or agreeing to sign a contract, stoke were in a rate mess, they didnt need to follow the premier league to see where we were at the time they put pen to paper. It could have been agreed in january for etebo but he still hadnt signed so he could have pulled out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:19:33 GMT
You're thinking they followed the Premier League in every minute detail just like you did. Reality is they didn't have the first clue about who Stoke City was. Oh and Etebo joined in June, but the deal was struck much earlier, just too late for the January transfer window. It wasnt me who initially alluded to the premier league, your response was that they were joining 9th placed stoke city, they thought they were joining a better team. The point I was making was at the time they were joining or agreeing to sign a contract, stoke were in a rate mess, they didnt need to follow the premier league to see where we were at the time they put pen to paper. It could have been agreed in january for etebo but he still hadnt signed so he could have pulled out. They were sold the idea of joining a just below the top club in the famous best league in the world. That the club was Stoke would have made no impact on them. They could have joined Stone Dominoes, they would have been just as excited if the money was right and the path to greater things was clear.
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