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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2020 23:54:46 GMT
They were in the team, we were losing. They're not in the team and not around the squad, we are winning. It's about as good as your 'actual' argument. Some people struggle with the obvious 😉 What is the ‘obvious’? Are you saying they were the reason we were losing?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 25, 2020 23:56:10 GMT
Some people struggle with the obvious 😉 What is the ‘obvious’? Are you saying they were the reason we were losing? They were part of it, just like they could have been a big part of us winning if they didn't have the heart the size of a pea.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 25, 2020 23:57:10 GMT
They wanted a move. They wanted to play while they were here. The manager wanted a close knit group and togetherness. He has been proven right. Everyone got what they wanted. Nobody is the bad guy here. There’s no need to point fingers or make shit up to create bogeymen where there aren’t any. Well Badou was my favourite player but the argument by some is that they should have been playing even if they didn't want to be at the club. They were probably pissed off that they were on the 4 th manager in 2 years after seemingly getting on with Jones so when Mick came in and asked if they wanted to stay said no. Once they'd said no it was right not to play them as the manager clearly wanted to plan for the future without them. I see no issue with that. If they (as you say) got on with Jones, doesn't that then suggest, that they're pretty likely to be open to getting on with the next manager as well? Or are you suggesting, that they both, having had several managers during their careers, suddenly in just a few short months, struck up this incredible bond with Jones, which would mean, that it would simply be impossible for them to ever work under any other manager at Stoke City ever again? Seriously?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 25, 2020 23:58:39 GMT
Badou's performance at Swansea is the best midfield performance from a stoke player this season easily.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2020 0:00:18 GMT
What is the ‘obvious’? Are you saying they were the reason we were losing? They were part of it, just like they could have been a big part of us winning if they didn't have the heart the size of a pea. So anyone who leaves has ‘a heart the size of a pea’. It’s not 1975.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:01:38 GMT
They were part of it, just like they could have been a big part of us winning if they didn't have the heart the size of a pea. So anyone who leaves has ‘a heart the size of a pea’. It’s not 1975. What does that even mean.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 26, 2020 0:02:48 GMT
Well Badou was my favourite player but the argument by some is that they should have been playing even if they didn't want to be at the club. They were probably pissed off that they were on the 4 th manager in 2 years after seemingly getting on with Jones so when Mick came in and asked if they wanted to stay said no. Once they'd said no it was right not to play them as the manager clearly wanted to plan for the future without them. I see no issue with that. I have no issue with it either. I have an issue with them being painted as dickheads for no discernible reason than mindless tribalism. Well its probably because they're paid a lot of money to play for the club and some fans expect them to honour their contract (not myself) rightly or wrongly. Badou has been angling for a move as soon as we were relegated so the question should be why did he join us in the first place knowing it was a good possibility ? £££
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2020 0:04:57 GMT
So anyone who leaves has ‘a heart the size of a pea’. It’s not 1975. What does that even mean. It means if you think anyone who leaves is a vile disloyal turncoat then you haven’t paid much attention to football over the past 30 years or so.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:05:58 GMT
What does that even mean. It means if you think anyone who leaves is a vile disloyal turncoat then you haven’t paid much attention to football over the past 30 years or so. I don't think that at all. But you already know that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 26, 2020 0:08:44 GMT
It means if you think anyone who leaves is a vile disloyal turncoat then you haven’t paid much attention to football over the past 30 years or so. I don't think that at all. But you already know that. Really? That's certainly the suggestion you seem to have been making for the last hour.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2020 0:09:12 GMT
I have no issue with it either. I have an issue with them being painted as dickheads for no discernible reason than mindless tribalism. Well its probably because they're paid a lot of money to play for the club and some fans expect them to honour their contract (not myself) rightly or wrongly. Badou has been angling for a move as soon as we were relegated so the question should be why did he join us in the first place knowing it was a good possibility ? £££ If ‘not yourself’ then why have you decided they’re twats? He signed for the same reason any decent player joins us. We were a stepping stone. That’s modern football.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2020 0:10:15 GMT
It means if you think anyone who leaves is a vile disloyal turncoat then you haven’t paid much attention to football over the past 30 years or so. I don't think that at all. But you already know that. So you don’t think that but you do think it about these two?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:15:35 GMT
I don't think that at all. But you already know that. Really? That's certainly the suggestion you seem to have been making for the last hour. It really isn't You brought up Arnie, who these pair of fuckers combined couldn't lace his boots, I didn't blame him for leaving at all. At least we made proper money on him. We'll make NOTHING on these two while making our team weaker. I don't get why you would stick up for them.
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Post by werrington on Jan 26, 2020 0:17:07 GMT
It doesn’t when you actually play well when you do play. That well we were losing. They don't play and we're winning. It's a funny game. Let yourself down here pugs
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2020 0:21:09 GMT
Really? That's certainly the suggestion you seem to have been making for the last hour. It really isn't You brought up Arnie, who these pair of fuckers combined couldn't lace his boots, I didn't blame him for leaving at all. At least we made proper money on him. We'll make NOTHING on these two while making our team weaker. I don't get why you would stick up for them. They have no say over the fee though, and Arnie didn’t give a fuck what he went for, in fact his dickhead brother whined we were asking for too much? Arnie’s literally no different?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:22:13 GMT
That well we were losing. They don't play and we're winning. It's a funny game. Let yourself down here pugs Why, because you don't agree? We're in the shit (that they have ben part of) we've got another new manager and the first thing they are telling him is that we want away? Do me a favour ffs.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:23:25 GMT
It really isn't You brought up Arnie, who these pair of fuckers combined couldn't lace his boots, I didn't blame him for leaving at all. At least we made proper money on him. We'll make NOTHING on these two while making our team weaker. I don't get why you would stick up for them. They have no say over the fee though, and Arnie didn’t give a fuck what he went for, in fact his dickhead brother whined we were asking for too much? Arnie’s literally no different? Arnie gave us the season and kept us up. These pair left at the first opportunity for no money. Totally different. Just to add that TWICE nobody would buy N'Diaye off us.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 26, 2020 0:25:13 GMT
Really? That's certainly the suggestion you seem to have been making for the last hour. It really isn't You brought up Arnie, who these pair of fuckers combined couldn't lace his boots, I didn't blame him for leaving at all. At least we made proper money on him. We'll make NOTHING on these two while making our team weaker. I don't get why you would stick up for them. Because you're slaughtering them based on absolutely nothing. (I'm just repeating myself now) but for all you know, O'Neill might have been told of our impending FFP problems when he was offered the job and Badou and Etebo were identified as the two players who we were most likely to get interest in and EVERYBODY involved, was on the same page. It's no less likely to be true, than the pariahs you want to turn them into and this season Badou had been nothing but a model pro on the pitch in every aspect but you just want to deamonise him without any evidence whatsoever.
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Post by Gods on Jan 26, 2020 0:26:53 GMT
It doesn’t when you actually play well when you do play. The Badou I remember this season, was the one who was the best midfielder we'd got at that point, the one who offered energy and dynamism to our midfield, the one who looked like he actually gave a fuck, the one who ran over to pick the manager up off the ground in celebration, the one who ran after a sent off Joe Allen and put his arm around him as he was heading for the tunnel, the one who people on here (rightly imo) were calling to be made captain because he looked like an actual leader, when we had none. But somehow, on this message board he's been turned into a pariah, based on absolutely nothing. People want a simple narrative, they struggle with anything that might be even slightly nuanced. He's gone, we're doing great but it doesn't mean that's BECAUSE he's gone. At the end of the day, for all we know, O'Neill was told of our impending financial fair play issues the moment he was offered the job and Badou and Etebo were identified as the two most likely players we could move on and ALL parties understood the situation. We'll probably never know either way but does it actually matter? What we certainly don't need to do, is slaughter players for absolutely no reason though, it's not like we're dealing with Arnie here. He hasn't gone, that's the problem. We paid £14m for this turkey and there isn't a snow balls chance in hell Trabzonspor will buy him for a price we might accept once they have seen him play.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 26, 2020 0:29:38 GMT
They have no say over the fee though, and Arnie didn’t give a fuck what he went for, in fact his dickhead brother whined we were asking for too much? Arnie’s literally no different? Arnie gave us the season and kept us up. These pair left at the first opportunity for no money. Totally different. Just to add that TWICE nobody would buy N'Diaye off us. ‘Gave us the season’? There was no serious interest in him beyond a half hearted Everton enquiry that he didn’t entertain because they weren’t prepared to give him big money. The second a middling club was prepared to pay that money he was off. People talk about ‘mercenaries’, he’s the living definition.
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Post by werrington on Jan 26, 2020 0:29:39 GMT
Let yourself down here pugs Why, because you don't agree? We're in the shit (that they have ben part of) we've got another new manager and the first thing they are telling him is that we want away? Do me a favour ffs. No ...because they are both beyond reproach for their performances this season
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:31:22 GMT
It really isn't You brought up Arnie, who these pair of fuckers combined couldn't lace his boots, I didn't blame him for leaving at all. At least we made proper money on him. We'll make NOTHING on these two while making our team weaker. I don't get why you would stick up for them. Because you're slaughtering them based on absolutely nothing. (I'm just repeating myself now) but for all you know, O'Neill might have been told of our impending FFP problems when he was offered the job and Badou and Etebo were identified as the two players who we were most likely to get interest in and EVERYBODY involved, was on the same page. It's no less likely to be true, than the pariahs you want to them into and this season Badou had been nothing but a model pro on the pitch in every aspect but you just want to deamonise him without any evidence whatsoever. Are you really saying, seriously, that two players who would generate the most interest were LOANED within hours of the window opening was all to do with FFP?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 26, 2020 0:42:04 GMT
Because you're slaughtering them based on absolutely nothing. (I'm just repeating myself now) but for all you know, O'Neill might have been told of our impending FFP problems when he was offered the job and Badou and Etebo were identified as the two players who we were most likely to get interest in and EVERYBODY involved, was on the same page. It's no less likely to be true, than the pariahs you want to them into and this season Badou had been nothing but a model pro on the pitch in every aspect but you just want to deamonise him without any evidence whatsoever. Are you really saying, seriously, that two players who would generate the most interest were LOANED within hours of the window opening was all to do with FFP? You really haven't been keeping up to speed at all with the realities of the FFP situation have you? From a FFP perspective, it is far better for us to loan a player out and get his wages off the books (albeit temporarily) than it is to actually sell him for less than we paid for him.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:44:52 GMT
Are you really saying, seriously, that two players who would generate the most interest were LOANED within hours of the window opening was all to do with FFP? You really haven't been keeping up to speed at all with the realities of the FFP situation have you? From a FFP perspective, it is far better for us to loan a player out and get his wages off the books (albeit temporarily) than it is to actually sell him for less than we paid for him. I really have Why would we get less than we actually paid for him...? Why wouldn't we let it play for a week or two, see where all this INTEREST may lead to? Patronising berk.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 26, 2020 0:49:52 GMT
You really haven't been keeping up to speed at all with the realities of the FFP situation have you? From a FFP perspective, it is far better for us to loan a player out and get his wages off the books (albeit temporarily) than it is to actually sell him for less than we paid for him. I really have Why would we get less than we actually paid for him...? Why wouldn't we let it play for a week or two, see where all this INTEREST may lead to? Patronising berk. Because they're working on deals well before the window opens and they ALREADY know how the land is likely to lie beforehand. Surely only a 'berk' would think that nothing was allowed to even begin until the 1st of January.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 26, 2020 0:57:01 GMT
I really have Why would we get less than we actually paid for him...? Why wouldn't we let it play for a week or two, see where all this INTEREST may lead to? Patronising berk. Because they're working on deals well before the window opens and they ALREADY know how the land is likely to lie beforehand. Surely only a 'berk' would think that nothing was allowed to start until the 1st of January. We're well and truly in the shit if this was the best we could do then.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 26, 2020 8:46:04 GMT
They both wanted life away from stoke. Stoke needed them off the books. Decent manager made the call. Life not too bad since they've been gone End of story
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 26, 2020 9:01:11 GMT
Smaller squad, but we are 2 injuries away from it being a problem Said the same today, if Allen goes this window surely we have to bring another in? For an area we had too many we're now treading a fine line. It would be a fine line, it only takes a knock to a player and a suspension to another. Do we trust Sorenson because as of yet he hasn't touched a ball under o Neill has he? Another thing is competition for places, I think ince has picked up a bit with ngoy & verlinden here trying to pinch his cemented spot too
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 26, 2020 9:20:47 GMT
The talk is about allen but the way clucas has improved this season we must be hoping a bid doesnt come in for him too on deadline day, 7 goals from CM is not a bad return with still 17 games to go, he is on course for double figures
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 9:37:18 GMT
Even though Joe Allen has been great under O'Neill I wouldn't be nervous at all if he left in the summer and Etebo came back in. I'm certain O'Neill could coach him into being the perfect replacement, the same could be said about Badou. Both these players are good enough for a mid table PL team given the right instructions on how to play the game. They have ability in abundance.
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