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Post by jonso on Jan 21, 2020 6:32:02 GMT
About time he did something, well done it's been a long time coming... As it has for the rest of the team, sadly.
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Post by milky on Jan 21, 2020 6:42:02 GMT
Anyone still saying Ince was poor last night had already made their mind up before a ball was kicked.
He had rightly been left out and I was sceptical about him coming back into the team.
Turns out the manager knows more than I do and actually sees him in training and can assess his mood / attitude etc.Who would have thought it eh?
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Post by nik80 on Jan 21, 2020 6:42:59 GMT
Fair play ,but he pulled out of the challange that creatated the goal and got lucky Ha-ha, he did! 😄 Jammy fucker (I’m pleased to say). Don Goodman must be keen on sucking Paul Ince’s nob though, praised Tom at any slight opportunity. The game dynamic obviously changed with the Campbell substitution and I can’t level criticism at any of our players after that but after the assist, was he that good to warrant some of the comments that were being made?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 6:45:32 GMT
Even after a lucky bounce, I'd still get rid if an offer come in. I can't see N'Goy offering anything less than Ince does.
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Post by henry on Jan 21, 2020 7:33:35 GMT
Assist aside, he was no different last night than his other games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 7:38:41 GMT
Assist aside, he was no different last night than his other games. I’ve been his biggest critic, but that’s harsh. He was tracking back for the whole time he was on the pitch and constantly helping Smith when we were under the cosh. Yes he didn’t have many chances with the ball at his feet but he set the goal up and was neat and tidy the rest of the time.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 21, 2020 7:46:26 GMT
MON was full of praise
"He's got so much to offer"
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Post by subman on Jan 21, 2020 8:07:04 GMT
What do I know? I’ve not even managed the local pub side lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 8:07:23 GMT
He played well today. As you said, he defended well. He has a funny way of defending. He comes rushing back at the opponent, then a yard and a half away he stops, doesn't put the boot in. refuses to get really involved, but the running sequence looks good and heroic. He can't fool me though. It's call alibiing and he masters that well, indeed has throughout his career.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 21, 2020 8:13:42 GMT
MON was full of praise "He's got so much to offer" Of course he has, his stats over the years back that up.. He's a confidence player and needs to be in a confident team doing well. Let's hope Mick can keep him firing like last night.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 21, 2020 8:16:19 GMT
Do we think MON is the manager to start getting the best out of him? Seems a very odd player at times - full of swagger at times, and then like all his confidence has gone the next moment.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 21, 2020 8:21:32 GMT
There was one point where he actually tracked back, got in front of his man, and tried to play it out of a goal kick!!!
Instead, he got caught, but luckily for him, the ref gave a foul on Ince.....
Very lucky to get away with that, needs to be stronger in those situations!!!
Overall though, he didn't do to bad!!!
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 21, 2020 8:23:18 GMT
He played well today. As you said, he defended well. He has a funny way of defending. He comes rushing back at the opponent, then a yard and a half away he stops, doesn't put the boot in. refuses to get really involved, but the running sequence looks good and heroic. He can't fool me though. It's call alibiing and he masters that well, indeed has throughout his career. He was winning tackles and putting a foot in last night. People's dislike of a player are seriously clouding their opinions on this thread. I don't particularly like Ince but he had a very good game last night. I hope that performance builds his confidence to be the player he is capable of for the rest of the season because it will be like a new signing for us.
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Post by henry on Jan 21, 2020 8:34:43 GMT
Assist aside, he was no different last night than his other games. I’ve been his biggest critic, but that’s harsh. He was tracking back for the whole time he was on the pitch and constantly helping Smith when we were under the cosh. Yes he didn’t have many chances with the ball at his feet but he set the goal up and was neat and tidy the rest of the time..... If Ince doesn’t get the assist he would have been getting slated for another gutless performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 8:40:55 GMT
A ridiculous headline. You could equally say Powell won us the game with his pass or Campbell won us the game with his finish. What won us the game were the whole team's desire not to conceded, doing the dirty work. That was a team performance not 1 man
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 8:42:23 GMT
In a perverse way, the goal showed exactly what is wrong with him and why he needs replacing, especially away from home. It also shows why Campbell did so well at Huddersfield out wide.
The pass around the corner from Powell just screams for someone with electric pace to run in behind, everything that Ince isn't generally. He seldom makes those runs proactively and when he does he doesn't have the pace to totally outrun a defender and normally loses any 50/50. Last night he obviously didn't.
I thought he worked hard and has worked harder under O'Neill so far than any other manager at Stoke but, trying to be balanced, looking forwards into the future and where it looks like O'Neill is trying to take the team beyond this season I think he will need to move on and be replaced with someone who is more direct, quicker and stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 9:33:14 GMT
He has a funny way of defending. He comes rushing back at the opponent, then a yard and a half away he stops, doesn't put the boot in. refuses to get really involved, but the running sequence looks good and heroic. He can't fool me though. It's call alibiing and he masters that well, indeed has throughout his career. He was winning tackles and putting a foot in last night. People's dislike of a player are seriously clouding their opinions on this thread. I don't particularly like Ince but he had a very good game last night. I hope that performance builds his confidence to be the player he is capable of for the rest of the season because it will be like a new signing for us. Clearly you believe in alibies...
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Post by kustokie on Jan 21, 2020 11:53:27 GMT
Gets all the flak but he got us the three points along with Campbell. The others hung on to it. He also did a lot of tracking back. Powell had a massive hand in the goal. He certainly did. He’s a classy player and can be a major contributor if he stays fit. He can control the central midfield behind the CF, which allow Allen to roam free and do what he does best. It’s starting to come together, isn’t it.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 21, 2020 13:38:14 GMT
Naaah, I'm not buying that. He put a shift in, but still only doing the bare minimum IMO. He is taking on his defensive duties which is probably why MON put him back in the side but he is still offering us almost nada at the business end of the pitch. He was the invisible man again for long periods of the game and when he does see the ball he has no intention of producing anything remotely attacking. Its like he is playing with no bottle.
I know he got the assist last night but as harsh as it sounds that was more to do with quick movement of the ball from BMI, Powell's vision, and Hegazi's wank defending than Ince - he was very fortunate it bounced off his arse the way it did while he was trying to shy out of the way.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 21, 2020 13:42:39 GMT
There were a couple of guys on my row last night who spent the whole game slating him.
My favourite occasion was when they were berating him for not being in space...at that particular time a player was getting treatment on the pitch for an injury!
It was a study in how one-eyed people can be when they have made up their mind. It was bewildering to watch to be honest.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jan 21, 2020 13:45:50 GMT
Naaah, I'm not buying that. He put a shift in, but still only doing the bare minimum IMO. He is taking on his defensive duties which is probably why MON put him back in the side but he is still offering us almost nada at the business end of the pitch. He was the invisible man again for long periods of the game and when he does see the ball he has no intention of producing anything remotely attacking. Its like he is playing with no bottle. I know he got the assist last night but as harsh as it sounds that was more to do with quick movement of the ball from BMI, Powell's vision, and Hegazi's wank defending than Ince - he was very fortunate it bounced off his arse the way it did while he was trying to shy out of the way. Yes, Ince luckily made the run which Powell saw. Then luckily tried to out run Hegazi and blocked the ball going out of play. Before luckily continuing his run and accidentally spotting a quick pass to his teammate. Luckily pulling off the pass. Then Campbell brilliantly smashed it into the top corner giving their keeper no chance. Maybe you were on the same row as me last night....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 13:46:43 GMT
In a perverse way, the goal showed exactly what is wrong with him and why he needs replacing, especially away from home. It also shows why Campbell did so well at Huddersfield out wide. The pass around the corner from Powell just screams for someone with electric pace to run in behind, everything that Ince isn't generally. He seldom makes those runs proactively and when he does he doesn't have the pace to totally outrun a defender and normally loses any 50/50. Last night he obviously didn't. I thought he worked hard and has worked harder under O'Neill so far than any other manager at Stoke but, trying to be balanced, looking forwards into the future and where it looks like O'Neill is trying to take the team beyond this season I think he will need to move on and be replaced with someone who is more direct, quicker and stronger. It's an interesting point, you'd expect a winger to absolutely skin someone as lumbering as Hegazi... That said, if you have pace on the other side someone who likes to drift centrally and exploit the space can work well... Clearly him and McClean are not a combination that work and McClean has outperformed him thus far. Jordan Jones arriving could liven things up imo.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 21, 2020 13:53:43 GMT
Naaah, I'm not buying that. He put a shift in, but still only doing the bare minimum IMO. He is taking on his defensive duties which is probably why MON put him back in the side but he is still offering us almost nada at the business end of the pitch. He was the invisible man again for long periods of the game and when he does see the ball he has no intention of producing anything remotely attacking. Its like he is playing with no bottle. I know he got the assist last night but as harsh as it sounds that was more to do with quick movement of the ball from BMI, Powell's vision, and Hegazi's wank defending than Ince - he was very fortunate it bounced off his arse the way it did while he was trying to shy out of the way. Yes, Ince luckily made the run which Powell saw. Then luckily tried to out run Hegazi and blocked the ball going out of play. Before luckily continuing his run and accidentally spotting a quick pass to his teammate. Luckily pulling off the pass. Then Campbell brilliantly smashed it into the top corner giving their keeper no chance. Maybe you were on the same row as me last night.... That was the only lucky bit as I made quite clear. I did no berating last night, I have just made a rational assessment in the cold light of day, and I apologise for not creaming myself after Ince's ok performance as part of a great result.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 21, 2020 14:44:55 GMT
Ince was good last night, but fuck me, it's taken 28 games this season for him to have a decent game, when he does it week in week out, then he can be creamed over.
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Post by thehoof on Jan 21, 2020 14:50:59 GMT
MON was full of praise "He's got so much to offer" Of course he has, his stats over the years back that up.. He's a confidence player and needs to be in a confident team doing well. Let's hope Mick can keep him firing like last night. His stats are over 3 years old- remember we had this with Bojan and “it’s 3 years since he was good for Stoke.” Last night Ince set up a goal- the first time in 21 starts. We now eulogise a guy for doing the very least you should expect of a professional- he worked hard. After creating the goal did he beat his man once? Did he play any dangerous crosses? He did okay last night, but if that is the turning of the corner I’d be happy to let him go, save his wages and play Verlinden.
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Post by subman on Jan 21, 2020 16:01:14 GMT
He has a funny way of defending. He comes rushing back at the opponent, then a yard and a half away he stops, doesn't put the boot in. refuses to get really involved, but the running sequence looks good and heroic. He can't fool me though. It's call alibiing and he masters that well, indeed has throughout his career. He was winning tackles and putting a foot in last night. People's dislike of a player are seriously clouding their opinions on this thread. I don't particularly like Ince but he had a very good game last night. I hope that performance builds his confidence to be the player he is capable of for the rest of the season because it will be like a new signing for us. When did F’Ince win a tackle? im not sure he did at all.
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Post by mattyd on Jan 21, 2020 16:29:40 GMT
Junior Guvnor.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 21, 2020 16:37:16 GMT
He was winning tackles and putting a foot in last night. People's dislike of a player are seriously clouding their opinions on this thread. I don't particularly like Ince but he had a very good game last night. I hope that performance builds his confidence to be the player he is capable of for the rest of the season because it will be like a new signing for us. When did F’Ince win a tackle? im not sure he did at all. Watch the game back.
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Post by henry on Jan 21, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
When did F’Ince win a tackle? im not sure he did at all. Watch the game back. TBH i can't remember him making a tackle either.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 21, 2020 17:20:51 GMT
TBH i can't remember him making a tackle either. I'm not an Ince fan either, that's why I noticed that he did make tackles (in the plural) last night
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