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Post by felonious on Jan 19, 2020 9:37:04 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 19, 2020 10:37:06 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 19, 2020 11:31:27 GMT
Oh well never mind the more the merrier.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 19, 2020 11:36:25 GMT
Prohibition in action.
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Post by innocentbystander on Jan 19, 2020 12:06:03 GMT
Natural selection.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 12:20:11 GMT
Working every bit as well as it did for alcohol in the USA in the twenties. |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 12:25:09 GMT
I wonder how many of those opioid deaths were down to prescription drugs, there was a programme on BBC2 the other night about the prescription opioid crisis going the way it already has in the US. I imagine the drug death number pales into insignificance when compared with deaths caused by fags and booze. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 19, 2020 12:58:29 GMT
I wonder how many of those opioid deaths were down to prescription drugs, there was a programme on BBC2 the other night about the prescription opioid crisis going the way it already has in the US. I imagine the drug death number pales into insignificance when compared with deaths caused by fags and booze. Oh yeah, There was a report out just the other day about alcohol related deaths being by far the biggest substance abuse |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 13:27:56 GMT
I wonder how many of those opioid deaths were down to prescription drugs, there was a programme on BBC2 the other night about the prescription opioid crisis going the way it already has in the US. I imagine the drug death number pales into insignificance when compared with deaths caused by fags and booze. Oh yeah, There was a report out just the other day about alcohol related deaths being by far the biggest substance abuse The double standards we as a society apply to these things is absolutely staggering, apparently there are around 30 subsidised bars dotted around the houses of parliament, it's quite incredible. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2020 14:31:05 GMT
Oh dear How about showing a touch of concern for the hundreds of thousand poor South Americans who are exploited and murdered every year So brain dead idiots can have there recreational fun |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 14:52:47 GMT
Nearly 3,000 deaths from all illicit drugs, I'm guessing a good chunk of those would've been avoided if there was any possibility of any quality control whatsoever. For comparison there has been nearly 8,000 deaths a year directly attributable to alcohol, that's without all the deaths from the cancers it causes. Smoking kills even more than alcohol. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 19, 2020 16:21:21 GMT
Oh dear How about showing a touch of concern for the hundreds of thousand poor South Americans who are exploited and murdered every year So brain dead idiots can have there recreational fun A combination of the illegal cocaine trade and free flowing US guns in Latin America is disastrous. Probably not quite as disastrous as oil in the middle East mind. Which most people use conscience free. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 19, 2020 16:33:00 GMT
Oh dear How about showing a touch of concern for the hundreds of thousand poor South Americans who are exploited and murdered every year So brain dead idiots can have there recreational fun A combination of the illegal cocaine trade and free flowing US guns in Latin America is disastrous. Probably not quite as disastrous as oil in the middle East mind. Which most people use conscience free. Big difference Unfortunately oil is something the world currently needs to sustain its current standard of living Shoving the residue of some South American plant leaf up your nose is not necessary to sustain a standard of living |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:13:53 GMT
Oh yeah, There was a report out just the other day about alcohol related deaths being by far the biggest substance abuse The double standards we as a society apply to these things is absolutely staggering, apparently there are around 30 subsidised bars dotted around the houses of parliament, it's quite incredible. Subsidised coke in parliament ? That would explain a lot 😉 |
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Post by felonious on Jan 19, 2020 17:18:11 GMT
I wonder how many of those opioid deaths were down to prescription drugs, there was a programme on BBC2 the other night about the prescription opioid crisis going the way it already has in the US. I imagine the drug death number pales into insignificance when compared with deaths caused by fags and booze. I think Ely the only way to compare would be deaths against the prevalence of use by each drug be it alcohol, cigarettes or the illegal variety. What I hear on the grapevine is that the some of the wider population are turning to cocaine to avoid the issue that alcohol brings with driving to work the following morning. There's usually a rush on here to say that drugs are safe hence the reason for the post. As Wag has mentioned there is only misery down the chain before the user gets his or her hit. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 19, 2020 17:19:45 GMT
A combination of the illegal cocaine trade and free flowing US guns in Latin America is disastrous. Probably not quite as disastrous as oil in the middle East mind. Which most people use conscience free. Big difference Unfortunately oil is something the world currently needs to sustain its current standard of living Shoving the residue of some South American plant leaf up your nose is not necessary to sustain a standard of living Fair point to an extent. Although oil is by now only wilfully necessary. It's still scant compensation to the poor fuckers middle east that we need to get to Tesco for a pack of fags. There is plenty of developing country human suffering in your average western needs. Including intoxication. |
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Post by zerps on Jan 19, 2020 17:23:50 GMT
I wonder how many of those opioid deaths were down to prescription drugs, there was a programme on BBC2 the other night about the prescription opioid crisis going the way it already has in the US. I imagine the drug death number pales into insignificance when compared with deaths caused by fags and booze. Everyone in America is off their tits on drugs one way of another. |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 17:37:29 GMT
I wonder how many of those opioid deaths were down to prescription drugs, there was a programme on BBC2 the other night about the prescription opioid crisis going the way it already has in the US. I imagine the drug death number pales into insignificance when compared with deaths caused by fags and booze. I think Ely the only way to compare would be deaths against the prevalence of use by each drug be it alcohol, cigarettes or the illegal variety. What I hear on the grapevine is that the some of the wider population are turning to cocaine to avoid the issue that alcohol brings with driving to work the following morning. There's usually a rush on here to say that drugs are safe hence the reason for the post. As Wag has mentioned there is only misery down the chain before the user gets his or her hit. Justifying prohibition using the suffering and misery it's causing is a little rich in my view, get rid of prohibition and you get rid of the riches to be made. I know nothing of cocaine other than talking to people who've evidently been using it (cos they're generally acting like a bit of a dick) and what I've seen in the media. Alcohol however I know lots about, I've seen many mates get completely hooked by it, a few have lost their lives to it and I've abused it far too much in the past myself, luckily for me the worst I've suffered is a few visits to casualty and a few nights in cells. If we're going to try and dictate what people can and cannot put into their bodies then we surely owe it to ourselves to take a rational view on things and not the total clusterfuck we presently have where THE most dangerous drug is not only legal, it's use is often held as some sort of virtue! I'm sorry but if laws don't make sense people are more likely to ignore them. Portugal has it right imo, decriminalise the lot, they've had great success with it. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/25/what-is-the-most-dangerous-drugI |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 17:41:08 GMT
A combination of the illegal cocaine trade and free flowing US guns in Latin America is disastrous. Probably not quite as disastrous as oil in the middle East mind. Which most people use conscience free. Big difference Unfortunately oil is something the world currently needs to sustain its current standard of living Shoving the residue of some South American plant leaf up your nose is not necessary to sustain a standard of living Pretty much everything that can be got from oil can also be got from hemp, difference is, instead of its use destroying the planet, it fixes it, just a shame some racist twat outlawed it in the 1930s. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 19, 2020 17:51:39 GMT
I think Ely the only way to compare would be deaths against the prevalence of use by each drug be it alcohol, cigarettes or the illegal variety. What I hear on the grapevine is that the some of the wider population are turning to cocaine to avoid the issue that alcohol brings with driving to work the following morning. There's usually a rush on here to say that drugs are safe hence the reason for the post. As Wag has mentioned there is only misery down the chain before the user gets his or her hit. Justifying prohibition using the suffering and misery it's causing is a little rich in my view, get rid of prohibition and you get rid of the riches to be made. I know nothing of cocaine other than talking to people who've evidently been using it (cos they're generally acting like a bit of a dick) and what I've seen in the media. Alcohol however I know lots about, I've seen many mates get completely hooked by it, few have lost their lives to it and I've abused it far too much in the past myself, luckily for me the worst I've suffered is a few visits to casualty and a few nights in cells. If we're going to try and dictate what people can and cannot put into their bodies then we surely owe it to ourselves to take a rational view on things and not the total clusterfuck we presently have where THE most dangerous drug is not only legal, it's use is often held as some sort of virtue! I'm sorry but if laws don't make sense people are more likely to ignore them. Portugal has it right imo, decriminalise the lot, they've had great success with it. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/25/what-is-the-most-dangerous-drugI It always amazes me how excessive consumption of alcohol is lauded and promoted across radio in particular and the media in general. I don't have an issue with drinking, my kids drink but they've no recollection of ever seeing me drink, however I do make the case with them about excessive drinking. The thing about alcohol however is that it goes way beyond just health and eats into family budgets causing suffering beyond the user. The same can be said for cigarettes and gambling. I can't see any government doing anything about it because taxation revenues are God the same goes for oil mentioned earlier in the thread. Illegal drugs may as well be brought within the system since the authorities have already lost all control. The case on the radio this morning from Drogheda in Southern Ireland was horrendous. |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 18:01:30 GMT
Justifying prohibition using the suffering and misery it's causing is a little rich in my view, get rid of prohibition and you get rid of the riches to be made. I know nothing of cocaine other than talking to people who've evidently been using it (cos they're generally acting like a bit of a dick) and what I've seen in the media. Alcohol however I know lots about, I've seen many mates get completely hooked by it, few have lost their lives to it and I've abused it far too much in the past myself, luckily for me the worst I've suffered is a few visits to casualty and a few nights in cells. If we're going to try and dictate what people can and cannot put into their bodies then we surely owe it to ourselves to take a rational view on things and not the total clusterfuck we presently have where THE most dangerous drug is not only legal, it's use is often held as some sort of virtue! I'm sorry but if laws don't make sense people are more likely to ignore them. Portugal has it right imo, decriminalise the lot, they've had great success with it. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/25/what-is-the-most-dangerous-drugI It always amazes me how excessive consumption of alcohol is lauded and promoted across radio in particular and the media in general. I don't have an issue with drinking, my kids drink but they've no recollection of ever seeing me drink, however I do make the case with them about excessive drinking. The thing about alcohol however is that it goes way beyond just health and eats into family budgets causing suffering beyond the user. The same can be said for cigarettes and gambling. I can't see any government doing anything about it because taxation revenues are God the same goes for oil mentioned earlier in the thread. Illegal drugs may as well be brought within the system since the authorities have already lost all control. The case on the radio this morning from Drogheda in Southern Ireland was horrendous. I never heard the radio story. As well as the taxation side of things, big pharma, the brewers and the tobacco makers all funnel a load of cash the governments way, they couldn't give a shiny shit about people's health, no matter how much they pretend otherwise. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 19, 2020 18:05:49 GMT
It always amazes me how excessive consumption of alcohol is lauded and promoted across radio in particular and the media in general. I don't have an issue with drinking, my kids drink but they've no recollection of ever seeing me drink, however I do make the case with them about excessive drinking. The thing about alcohol however is that it goes way beyond just health and eats into family budgets causing suffering beyond the user. The same can be said for cigarettes and gambling. I can't see any government doing anything about it because taxation revenues are God the same goes for oil mentioned earlier in the thread. Illegal drugs may as well be brought within the system since the authorities have already lost all control. The case on the radio this morning from Drogheda in Southern Ireland was horrendous. I never heard the radio story. As well as the taxation side of things, big pharma, the brewers and the tobacco makers all funnel a load of cash the governments way, they couldn't give a shiny shit about people's health, no matter how much they pretend otherwise. Two rival drug gangs operating with relative impunity in a small down warring over flip flops  www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0117/1108136-mulready-woods-drogheda/ |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 18:21:49 GMT
I never heard the radio story. As well as the taxation side of things, big pharma, the brewers and the tobacco makers all funnel a load of cash the governments way, they couldn't give a shiny shit about people's health, no matter how much they pretend otherwise. Two rival drug gangs operating with relative impunity in a small down warring over flip flops www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0117/1108136-mulready-woods-drogheda/Horrible  I'd imagine there were many similar stories concerning the mafia and alcohol prohibition, it's what happens. Pretty much every society in the history of mankind has ventured to alter their consciousness in one way or another, usually using plants, even dolphins do it with puffa fish ffs. Portugal has shown the best way to stop this nonsense, it's a health issue not a crime issue, or should be. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 19, 2020 18:41:02 GMT
Horrible I'd imagine there were many similar stories concerning the mafia and alcohol prohibition, it's what happens. Pretty much every society in the history of mankind has ventured to alter their consciousness in one way or another, usually using plants, even dolphins do it with puffa fish ffs. Portugal has shown the best way to stop this nonsense, it's a health issue not a crime issue, or should be. I just read today only the Inuit dont have a culture of plant intoxication. Cause there is none. Id think drug classification is about to go through changes as psychadelics and MDMA get approval for therapy. Which is inevitable now. Ironically, psycadelics are proving the best way to get off the addictive drugs. |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2020 19:05:28 GMT
Horrible I'd imagine there were many similar stories concerning the mafia and alcohol prohibition, it's what happens. Pretty much every society in the history of mankind has ventured to alter their consciousness in one way or another, usually using plants, even dolphins do it with puffa fish ffs. Portugal has shown the best way to stop this nonsense, it's a health issue not a crime issue, or should be. I just read today only the Inuit dont have a culture of plant intoxication. Cause there is none. Id think drug classification is about to go through changes as psychadelics and MDMA get approval for therapy. Which is inevitable now. Ironically, psycadelics are proving the best way to get off the addictive drugs. I agree, it's been far too bizarre for far too long and has been based more on prejudice and ignorance than evidence of harm to health and society. I've seen that magic mushrooms are being tested for depression treatment and LSD is proving useful for some mental health problems, it's about time. |
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Post by Goonie on Jan 22, 2020 7:30:20 GMT
I just read today only the Inuit dont have a culture of plant intoxication. Cause there is none. Id think drug classification is about to go through changes as psychadelics and MDMA get approval for therapy. Which is inevitable now. Ironically, psycadelics are proving the best way to get off the addictive drugs. I agree, it's been far too bizarre for far too long and has been based more on prejudice and ignorance than evidence of harm to health and society. I've seen that magic mushrooms are being tested for depression treatment and LSD is proving useful for some mental health problems, it's about time. Ketamine has been licenced as an inhaler to be administeredd under direct medical supervision (Esketamine) - aimed at people with treatment resistant depression and works in 24hrs, most anti-depressants take 2-6 weeks of continual use. They have also treated death anxiety in terminally I'll people with ONE dose of LSD and follow up psycho-therapeutic debriefing with huge success rates The World Health Organisation suggest LSD is the safest recreational drug by far, though every substance has it's own risks ie in the case of LSD some may develop/exacerbate or act as a catalyst for psychosis |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 22, 2020 8:00:54 GMT
I agree, it's been far too bizarre for far too long and has been based more on prejudice and ignorance than evidence of harm to health and society. I've seen that magic mushrooms are being tested for depression treatment and LSD is proving useful for some mental health problems, it's about time. Ketamine has been licenced as an inhaler to be administeredd under direct medical supervision (Esketamine) - aimed at people with treatment resistant depression and works in 24hrs, most anti-depressants take 2-6 weeks of continual use. They have also treated death anxiety in terminally I'll people with ONE dose of LSD and follow up psycho-therapeutic debriefing with huge success rates The World Health Organisation suggest LSD is the safest recreational drug by far, though every substance has it's own risks ie in the case of LSD some may develop/exacerbate or act as a catalyst for psychosis Tobacco and alcohol are both known to cause psychosis so it's very rich to prohibit other drugs on those grounds. I'd read about the LSD and the terminally ill, how it can be illegal to make their final few months, weeks or days more bearable is even more baffling than the rest of our ludicrous laws in this area. When you read about the horrific side effects of some legal 'safe' drugs you can't help but wonder if the laws are there for the safety of the people or the profits of the big pharma companies, at the moment it's looking like the latter to me. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 22, 2020 8:14:40 GMT
I agree, it's been far too bizarre for far too long and has been based more on prejudice and ignorance than evidence of harm to health and society. I've seen that magic mushrooms are being tested for depression treatment and LSD is proving useful for some mental health problems, it's about time. Ketamine has been licenced as an inhaler to be administeredd under direct medical supervision (Esketamine) - aimed at people with treatment resistant depression and works in 24hrs, most anti-depressants take 2-6 weeks of continual use. They have also treated death anxiety in terminally I'll people with ONE dose of LSD and follow up psycho-therapeutic debriefing with huge success rates The World Health Organisation suggest LSD is the safest recreational drug by far, though every substance has it's own risks ie in the case of LSD some may develop/exacerbate or act as a catalyst for psychosis K being an approved anesthetic was quicker to get approval. No doubt of it benefits if used correctly. I think LSD is so tarnished most research into helping alcoholism and terminally ill is currently with psilocybin. Results look good though. The really mad one is ibogaine. It can not only take people through the traumas that lead them to addiction but also takes away cravings for opiates and actually seems to repair neurons damage by opiate addiction. Currently it's only available underground and the ceremonies and associated therapy are expensive. Many people are off with one treatment. With some its takes two or even three. Looks like a brutal trip mind. |
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 22, 2020 8:18:28 GMT
Oh dear How about showing a touch of concern for the hundreds of thousand poor South Americans who are exploited and murdered every year So brain dead idiots can have there recreational fun Legalise it? |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 22, 2020 8:22:12 GMT
Ketamine has been licenced as an inhaler to be administeredd under direct medical supervision (Esketamine) - aimed at people with treatment resistant depression and works in 24hrs, most anti-depressants take 2-6 weeks of continual use. They have also treated death anxiety in terminally I'll people with ONE dose of LSD and follow up psycho-therapeutic debriefing with huge success rates The World Health Organisation suggest LSD is the safest recreational drug by far, though every substance has it's own risks ie in the case of LSD some may develop/exacerbate or act as a catalyst for psychosis Tobacco and alcohol are both known to cause psychosis so it's very rich to prohibit other drugs on those grounds. I'd read about the LSD and the terminally ill, how it can be illegal to make their final few months, weeks or days more bearable is even more baffling than the rest of our ludicrous laws in this area. When you read about the horrific side effects of some legal 'safe' drugs you can't help but wonder if the laws are there for the safety of the people or the profits of the big pharma companies, at the moment it's looking like the latter to me. Most seem to blame Timothy Leary for the legal status of LSD in the US. How the fuck is DMT illegal? Its endogenous. We all have DMT in our bodies. As Terence Mackenna said "we're all carrying". |
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