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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 7:33:54 GMT
Are we moving towards header free football?
The Scottish FA are considering banning heading the ball for under 12 matches due to links to brain damage and particularly dementia.
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Post by hotterpotter on Jan 17, 2020 7:41:03 GMT
That or crash helmets American football style. Anyone for gridpottery?
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 17, 2020 7:46:27 GMT
Just play with a balloon instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 7:48:14 GMT
Just play with a balloon instead. It would be down the A500 straight from kick off at our place. |
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Post by kentpotter on Jan 17, 2020 7:51:43 GMT
I thought we had header free nogger at Stoke anyway? At least since Big John Richie! I can just about remember when we use to score from corners  |
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 17, 2020 7:53:59 GMT
Are we moving towards header free football? The Scottish FA are considering banning heading the ball for under 12 matches due to links to brain damage and particularly dementia. What happens with corners, rolled underarm in to the box? What about goal kicks & free kicks, nothing allowed over chest height else it’s a free kick? What about a long ball over the top, of the defender is no longer allowed to attack the ball and head it out, instead having to let it bounce. They are contravening the very first law of defending that you’re taught, “don’t let the ball bounce”. It just won’t work |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 8:06:01 GMT
Whatever next?
Perhaps they can ban punching in Boxing while they're at it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 17, 2020 8:18:35 GMT
Welcome to the modern world where you cant do or say anything.
everythings changing and not for the better.
Some things just need to stay the same. Look at VAR and how that's destroyed the game, FFP. As long as people know the risks we shouldnt deter them from playing sport.
Can you imagine 10 years on Celtic are in Europe and there CB goes down to avoid a header.
Biggest problem is the minority are now the majority where big decisions are being made.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 17, 2020 8:23:30 GMT
Why end there? I'm sure kicking the ball could lead to some nasty injuries and running also causes loads of problems so let's start playng tiddly winks instead at the bet365, then the snowflakes will be happy, except for the thumb strains of course!
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Post by theglove on Jan 17, 2020 8:50:42 GMT
Check out the South Park episode "Sarcastaball" for the future of American Football  |
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Post by apb1 on Jan 17, 2020 10:10:43 GMT
Why end there? I'm sure kicking the ball could lead to some nasty injuries and running also causes loads of problems so let's start playng tiddly winks instead at the bet365, then the snowflakes will be happy, except for the thumb strains of course! Jeff Astle, well known snowflake, had heading the ball (which were a lot heavier then) named by the coroner as a contributing factor to the degenerative brain disease that killed him. I love a headed goal or a Ryan header from his own penalty area to the other team's half, but to dismiss legitimate concern over head injuries as health and safety gone mad is a bit much. Hopefully the lighter balls used these days have made a big difference and we can keep heading as integral to the game. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 17, 2020 10:15:09 GMT
Just play with a balloon instead. Having seen what passes for a first touch of a few in our squad,i think we've been pioneering that game for a few seasons now.... |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 17, 2020 10:21:19 GMT
Minumum alcohol pricing, zero mg of booze in breath to drive, header-free football... The Scots really are a bunch of fannies.
Embarrassing.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 17, 2020 10:22:27 GMT
Footballs are much lighter than they were, and the study this decision is based on only focussed on footballers who played between 1900 and 1976. The study was a cohort study, which means it didn't prove heading the ball was responsible for an increased risk of dementia. Also, check this out: "The average age at death was 67.9 years for footballers and 64.7 years for men in the control group." And there was no significant difference in risk of death between goalkeepers and outfield players. Do goalkeepers head balls often? Who's to say the brain damage didn't result from head collisions with other players? I'd argue that makes it more important to practice headers as a child, otherwise you're more likely to be involved in collisions when you begin heading without that match practice. Further reading (they don't mention the weight of footballs): www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/dementia-fears-for-former-footballers/ |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 17, 2020 10:24:09 GMT
Why end there? I'm sure kicking the ball could lead to some nasty injuries and running also causes loads of problems so let's start playng tiddly winks instead at the bet365, then the snowflakes will be happy, except for the thumb strains of course! Jeff Astle, well known snowflake, had heading the ball (which were a lot heavier then) named by the coroner as a contributing factor to the degenerative brain disease that killed him. I love a headed goal or a Ryan header from his own penalty area to the other team's half, but to dismiss legitimate concern over head injuries as health and safety gone mad is a bit much. Hopefully the lighter balls used these days have made a big difference and we can keep heading as integral to the game. Simple solution to this. Say to the players: "Heading the ball might cause you health problems, do you want to continue?" Answer "No" and don't play the game, or answer "Yes, because I'm not a colossal pussy" and carry on. Problem solved. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 17, 2020 10:29:29 GMT
I header ball a lot as a kid, and it never have done me none damage!!!
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 17, 2020 10:38:19 GMT
Footballs are much lighter than they were, and the study this decision is based on only focussed on footballers who played between 1900 and 1976. The study was a cohort study, which means it didn't prove heading the ball was responsible for an increased risk of dementia. Also, check this out: "The average age at death was 67.9 years for footballers and 64.7 years for men in the control group." And there was no significant difference in risk of death between goalkeepers and outfield players. Do goalkeepers head balls often? Who's to say the brain damage didn't result from head collisions with other players? I'd argue that makes it more important to practice headers as a child, otherwise you're more likely to be involved in collisions when you begin heading without that match practice. Further reading (they don't mention the weight of footballs): www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/dementia-fears-for-former-footballers/Up until 1978 footballs were made of solid lead. |
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 17, 2020 10:49:43 GMT
It'll never reach the senior game, in terms of a ban surely.
I can see them potentially floating around the idea of Petr Cech style headwear being mandatory somewhere down the line.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 17, 2020 11:06:10 GMT
Footballs are much lighter than they were, and the study this decision is based on only focussed on footballers who played between 1900 and 1976. The study was a cohort study, which means it didn't prove heading the ball was responsible for an increased risk of dementia. Also, check this out: "The average age at death was 67.9 years for footballers and 64.7 years for men in the control group." And there was no significant difference in risk of death between goalkeepers and outfield players. Do goalkeepers head balls often? Who's to say the brain damage didn't result from head collisions with other players? I'd argue that makes it more important to practice headers as a child, otherwise you're more likely to be involved in collisions when you begin heading without that match practice. Further reading (they don't mention the weight of footballs): www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/dementia-fears-for-former-footballers/Up until 1978 footballs were made of solid lead. And even more solid when wet!!! |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 17, 2020 11:09:16 GMT
Just play with a balloon instead. We do don’t we 😎 |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 17, 2020 11:18:51 GMT
Up until 1978 footballs were made of solid lead. And even more solid when wet!!! It sort of ceased to be 'football' for me at that point Any kid that had the cahoonas to go for a header straight from the goalies kick out of their hands rarely had a challenger  |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 17, 2020 11:24:53 GMT
When I was playing at that age it was a rule that the ball could only go above head height off a goal kick, to try and improve technical skills.
A lot of "woe is modernity" in this thread. It won't be banned in the professional game but every player deserves to know the risks involved in their job, like any other occupational hazard. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Post by superalexneil on Jan 17, 2020 11:37:56 GMT
Are we moving towards header free football? The Scottish FA are considering banning heading the ball for under 12 matches due to links to brain damage and particularly dementia. What happens with corners, rolled underarm in to the box? What about goal kicks & free kicks, nothing allowed over chest height else it’s a free kick? What about a long ball over the top, of the defender is no longer allowed to attack the ball and head it out, instead having to let it bounce. They are contravening the very first law of defending that you’re taught, “don’t let the ball bounce”. It just won’t work Fucking hell mate there 11 calm down hahaha |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 17, 2020 11:45:04 GMT
Dad once told me of our Neil Franklin who regularly suffered lace shaped bruising on his forehead from heading the caseys back in the day. Mind you he died relatively young at 74, not sure what from though.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 17, 2020 11:57:21 GMT
And even more solid when wet!!! It sort of ceased to be 'football' for me at that point Any kid that had the cahoonas to go for a header straight from the goalies kick out of their hands rarely had a challenger And when he did head it, everyone else would stand there with grimace faces going "Ooooooooooo!!!" 😖 |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 17, 2020 12:10:55 GMT
I thought we had header free nogger at Stoke anyway? At least since Big John Richie! I can just about remember when we use to score from corners McGuire corner to near post Flick on O'Callaghan header Rinse and repeat Loved it !! |
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Post by AlliG on Jan 17, 2020 12:26:06 GMT
Are we moving towards header free football? The Scottish FA are considering banning heading the ball for under 12 matches due to links to brain damage and particularly dementia. No. It does however make sense to restrict heading for young kids, especially if they are using a full sized ball. (I can remember seeing stars a few times as a 10 year old in the 1960s, especially when the old size 5 leather casey got wet and muddy) Most of the "informed" discussion I have heard recently suggests that there should/will be restrictions on the amount of heading done in training on the basis that most players actually only head the ball 2 or 3 time in a match. (Other sports apply restrictions on training to restrict the risk of injury to players i.e. the NFL have very strict rules restricting the amount of "suited" and full contact practice sessions in a season). Back in the 1960s some players used to practice with heavier than normal balls to strengthen their neck muscles, in fact I am sure I remember reading of even medicine balls being used. Stoke had a contraption a bit like a punch bag hanging from a bar they used to put up on the track around the pitch, which the players would run at, jump and head for a period of time. (Somewhere there is a photo (or film) of John Ritchie using it in training). Football is evolving as a game with better pitches allowing more teams to play a passing game and therefore heading is naturally becoming a less important part of the game. I would expect sensible restrictions on heading in training and more importantly properly applied and enforced concussion protocols to be the next step. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 12:27:11 GMT
A no over-head-height rule is what's needed.
Friday Night Ladsandads Five-a-Side at Booth Street Sports Centre circa 1987.
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Post by kentpotter on Jan 17, 2020 12:53:22 GMT
I thought we had header free nogger at Stoke anyway? At least since Big John Richie! I can just about remember when we use to score from corners McGuire corner to near post Flick on O'Callaghan header Rinse and repeat Loved it !! For me it was always corner over to Richie to either nod in or nod down for Greenhoff to smash home!!! Utter poetry  |
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Post by eddyclamp on Jan 17, 2020 13:28:15 GMT
If you ever headed the old casey when you were a kid you would know about it. Especially if it was wet.
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