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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 11, 2020 18:59:43 GMT
(Apologies, i haven't seen this if it has previously been mentioned) Personally, my initial thoughts ... wow! I'm jealous www.zaha-hadid.com/architecture/forest-green-rovers-eco-park-stadium/Once people get their head around the 'all wood' aspect, i think it'll blow everyone away. It looks amazing, and has had some real thought go into it. It also blends delightfully into its immediate surroundings. When I see this, and then look at ours, there is a palpable sense of disappointment. I know we had no money when it was built and times were different, but we've had loads of time to really improve it (and the surroundings) since being in the prem, and taking that money. Ours still looks so cheap and nasty, from toilets to food, to concourses etc. You've kind of answered your own question there in the last paragraph. People always moan about the ground but given the circumstances in the 90s I don't think we did too badly with it. The Taylor Report forced us to make either huge improvements to the Victoria Ground or to relocate, both options hugely expensive for our declining, cash strapped club at the time and wouldn't have even been considered had we not been legally forced to do it. In the end considering our financial situation I consider it an achievement that it even got built and finished on time. I do agree that more could have been done to improve it during the Premier League era in terms of refreshing the concourses and improving the facilities. Fundamental changes to things like access and parking aren't really possible though due to the limitations of the site.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 11, 2020 19:08:34 GMT
All built with your taxes
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Post by Goonie on Jan 11, 2020 21:27:49 GMT
And the ground produces it's own electricity - sustainability
Let's get some turbines at the Brit365
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 11, 2020 23:25:59 GMT
Surely it's a start. Binary fool. Not at all. Making people make more journeys by car? It’s a terrible idea. But people would be making less journeys by car to the new site than they do to the current site in Nailsworth which is at the top of a hill serviced by a country lane. BM
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2020 23:29:15 GMT
Not at all. Making people make more journeys by car? It’s a terrible idea. But people would be making less journeys by car to the new site than they do to the current site in Nailsworth which is at the top of a hill serviced by a country lane. BM Why? Can’t they get a bus there? I just think that bragging about sustainability when the ground itself means car travel is pretty laughable. It’s good that it’s greener than most stadiums construction wise. But otherwise it’s a pretty empty thing. It’d be cool if it had almost no car park, regular trains/trams etc. But that just isn’t possible in most of the UK. But then I wouldn’t brag about the sustainability of it when it’s still relying on the worst form of travel bar air travel.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 11, 2020 23:30:52 GMT
All built with your taxes could you expand on that please?
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Post by lordb on Jan 12, 2020 10:33:15 GMT
But people would be making less journeys by car to the new site than they do to the current site in Nailsworth which is at the top of a hill serviced by a country lane. BM Why? Can’t they get a bus there? I just think that bragging about sustainability when the ground itself means car travel is pretty laughable. It’s good that it’s greener than most stadiums construction wise. But otherwise it’s a pretty empty thing. It’d be cool if it had almost no car park, regular trains/trams etc. But that just isn’t possible in most of the UK. But then I wouldn’t brag about the sustainability of it when it’s still relying on the worst form of travel bar air travel. FGR will be laying on lots of,eco friendly, buses. Proportionaly far more than any other ground. The club expects less supporters to drive to the new ground than the current ground for this very reason
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 12, 2020 12:22:03 GMT
Judging it purely as a football ground I'm not impressed. (obv the eco stuff is cool but I'm not talking about that) Now Brentford's new ground on the other hand makes me jealous. It actually looks like a football stadium. Not some trashy modern spaceship design. It's a modern stadium that looks like it's actually been designed with old school unique football grounds in mind. Maybe that was deliberate, or maybe a consequence of being in London, but I wish we had a ground that was designed with a nod to old school architecture. Only a five minute walk from their old/current ground aswell, so you can still use the same pubs!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 12, 2020 12:30:40 GMT
Judging it purely as a football ground I'm not impressed. (obv the eco stuff is cool but I'm not talking about that) Now Brentford's new ground on the other hand makes me jealous. It actually looks like a football stadium. Not some trashy modern spaceship design. It's a modern stadium that looks like it's actually been designed with old school unique football grounds in mind. Maybe that was deliberate, or maybe a consequence of being in London, but I wish we had a ground that was designed with a nod to old school architecture. Only a five minute walk from their old/current ground aswell, so you can still use the same pubs! Looks more of a 15 minute walk to me. Mind you compared to our place from the vic I'd take that everytime. The new ground is a bit sandwiched in that space between the railway lines. Looks unique though and kew station is next door.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2020 12:34:14 GMT
Why? Can’t they get a bus there? I just think that bragging about sustainability when the ground itself means car travel is pretty laughable. It’s good that it’s greener than most stadiums construction wise. But otherwise it’s a pretty empty thing. It’d be cool if it had almost no car park, regular trains/trams etc. But that just isn’t possible in most of the UK. But then I wouldn’t brag about the sustainability of it when it’s still relying on the worst form of travel bar air travel. FGR will be laying on lots of,eco friendly, buses. Proportionaly far more than any other ground. The club expects less supporters to drive to the new ground than the current ground for this very reason Why don’t they just put them on now and save the footprint for the building of the new ground? Another bit of a weird thing there.
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 12, 2020 12:39:06 GMT
And the ground produces it's own electricity - sustainability Let's get some turbines at the Brit365 Put propellers on our ground and the fucker would take off would be like the football ground version of the Pixar film Up, or James and the giant peach. Knowing stoke though it would plonk us down in some faraway land where we would have to teach the aboriginal tribes how to play football, founding a new league. Then proceed to get knocked out in the 1st round of the cup and finish bottom of the league in the first full season.
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 12, 2020 12:48:31 GMT
FGR will be laying on lots of,eco friendly, buses. Proportionaly far more than any other ground. The club expects less supporters to drive to the new ground than the current ground for this very reason Why don’t they just put them on now and save the footprint for the building of the new ground? Another bit of a weird thing there. It’s a bit like the clamour for electric cars, more strip mining for the rare minerals take place than just using the oil already being got out of the ground being refined for petrol. Then you have to find a sustainable way of creating the electricity without building more dams or wind farms or solar farms which all need space and raw materials, best way of doing that is nuclear as it uses less resources but nobody wants that. Goes back to Ian Malcolm in Jurassic just because we could we didn’t stop to think if we should with some of these sustainable energies look at that billion dollar wind farm in America finished it this year and already a wind farm a 1/4 of it size has been built which kicks out the same amount of energy. We should be refining the tech for years before we just throw it in place. Going back to the football bit I agree with Bayern 😱 lol surely it would make sense to put a tramway or build it near a rail station/ walking distance to reduce its footprint even more. It’s not like they are likely to need a massive expansion project in the future is it?
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Post by markby on Jan 12, 2020 20:31:44 GMT
FGR will be laying on lots of,eco friendly, buses. Proportionaly far more than any other ground. The club expects less supporters to drive to the new ground than the current ground for this very reason Why don’t they just put them on now and save the footprint for the building of the new ground? Another bit of a weird thing there. FGR's present ground is perfectly adequate for their present and predicted future crowds and was only built in 2006, so has years left in it. So what is "sustainable" about building another ground for them, regardless of the design and materials used? It's like owning a perfectly serviceable 1 year old car, then scrapping it to replace it with an electric model.
A lot of people reckon that Vince is incorporating the stadium solely in order to get permission for his adjoining eco-park, whilst gaining publicity for his own green electricity company and enhancing his own green credentials. Otherwise, why would he build an "ecopark" which, being miles from any existing population centre and directly adjacent to the M5, is entirely to be serviced by road transport? It's all very well bussing a few hundred supporters to a stadium once a fortnight, but what about all the activity on site the rest of the time? Might it be that he chose this site because the land is cheaper than eg in a town with a railway station, thereby increasing his potential for personal profit? And that people will be blinded to that point by all this blurb about a wooden stadium?
Of course, if following his move he were then to raze the existing New Lawn ground and turn it into eg a woodland park for the people of Nailsworth etc, then I'd be less cynical. But if, instead, it's merely turned into just another housing development with next to no public transport etc, then what would be so "eco-friendly" about that?
A "bit of a weird thing" indeed!
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 12, 2020 22:19:25 GMT
But people would be making less journeys by car to the new site than they do to the current site in Nailsworth which is at the top of a hill serviced by a country lane. BM Why? Can’t they get a bus there? I just think that bragging about sustainability when the ground itself means car travel is pretty laughable. It’s good that it’s greener than most stadiums construction wise. But otherwise it’s a pretty empty thing. It’d be cool if it had almost no car park, regular trains/trams etc. But that just isn’t possible in most of the UK. But then I wouldn’t brag about the sustainability of it when it’s still relying on the worst form of travel bar air travel. I dont think you've really researched this one tbh.
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Post by shipshape on Jan 12, 2020 22:22:45 GMT
Why? Can’t they get a bus there? I just think that bragging about sustainability when the ground itself means car travel is pretty laughable. It’s good that it’s greener than most stadiums construction wise. But otherwise it’s a pretty empty thing. It’d be cool if it had almost no car park, regular trains/trams etc. But that just isn’t possible in most of the UK. But then I wouldn’t brag about the sustainability of it when it’s still relying on the worst form of travel bar air travel. FGR will be laying on lots of,eco friendly, buses. Proportionaly far more than any other ground. The club expects less supporters to drive to the new ground than the current ground for this very reason Buses from nearby stations, Cam, Stroud and Stonehouse also.
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