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Post by clarkeda on Jan 10, 2020 23:21:20 GMT
Can you imagine if we'd been nervously waiting to see if VAR had found anything wrong with Vokes' winner against Sheffield Wednesday on Boxing Day? Farcical I get that but I do think it would have felt twice as good after it was awarded from VAR too Edit - I suppose more relief then elation/ joy which are very different things
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 10, 2020 23:21:20 GMT
Football exists purely for the fans. Alas, that is just not true any more. Maybe not, but it wouldn’t survive without them.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 10, 2020 23:24:08 GMT
Can you imagine if we'd been nervously waiting to see if VAR had found anything wrong with Vokes' winner against Sheffield Wednesday on Boxing Day? Farcical I get that but I do think it would have felt twice as good after it was awarded from VAR too Don’t agree with that at all. How can you compare the feeling of seeing the ball hit the net to seeing a big screening flashing up ‘goal awarded’?
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Post by shipshape on Jan 10, 2020 23:24:41 GMT
Can you imagine if we'd been nervously waiting to see if VAR had found anything wrong with Vokes' winner against Sheffield Wednesday on Boxing Day? Farcical I get that but I do think it would have felt twice as good after it was awarded from VAR too Disagree completely.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 10, 2020 23:29:20 GMT
I get that but I do think it would have felt twice as good after it was awarded from VAR too Don’t agree with that at all. How can you compare the feeling of seeing the ball hit the net to seeing a big screening flashing up ‘goal awarded’? Edited I don’t think I described what I meant very well
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Post by jeycov on Jan 10, 2020 23:31:43 GMT
on this occasion most if not all Sheffield United fans will be in favour of it
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Post by shipshape on Jan 10, 2020 23:38:07 GMT
on this occasion most if not all Sheffield United fans will be in favour of it I imagine so, particularly as it was against West Ham.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2020 23:46:11 GMT
Can you imagine if we'd been nervously waiting to see if VAR had found anything wrong with Vokes' winner against Sheffield Wednesday on Boxing Day? Farcical But if it’s the right decision then that’s how it should be We should have had at least 2 penalties this season, seen red cards issued etc but have had decisions go in our favour This isn’t VAR it’s the new interpretation of the rule and it needs revisiting Before VAR I believe that a high percentage of controversial decisions went in favour of the top teams, players were punished on their reputation on some occasions We’ve all accepted, disappearing spray to Mark 10 yards for a free kick, goal line technology, VAR used to help officials get to the correct decision is vital with so much at stake in each game It doesn’t though. It’s made the game way worse.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 11, 2020 0:01:32 GMT
on this occasion most if not all Sheffield United fans will be in favour of it I imagine so, particularly as it was against West Ham. They will have enjoyed beating West Ham but that doesn’t mean they like VAR they have still come off worse than most teams this season from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 0:08:25 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. The "got to have the correct decision" brigade are taking over and ruining our game as a spectator sport, which after all is exactly what it is. Ah well as long as the neutral sitting on his armchair at home is happy who gives a fuck. It’s something similar to what Lineker has been peddling for ages and it’s always pissed me off. But he wanted penalties for any handball in the ball box. Both that and this are totally shite. Ex footballers who peddle this kind of shit really piss me off. It's like Shearer when he comes out with the bollocks like, "there was contact, he had the right to go down". If a player ha dgone down under a challenge from home back in the day like this he would have gone fucking ballistic the hypocritical cuntwipe.
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Post by shipshape on Jan 11, 2020 0:12:52 GMT
It’s something similar to what Lineker has been peddling for ages and it’s always pissed me off. But he wanted penalties for any handball in the ball box. Both that and this are totally shite. Ex footballers who peddle this kind of shit really piss me off. It's like Shearer when he comes out with the bollocks like, "there was contact, he had the right to go down". If a player ha dgone down under a challenge from home back in the day like this he would have gone fucking ballistic the hypocritical cuntwipe. Yeah, like when he mardarsed about getting an elbow off Justin Whittle soon after he'd stamped on Neil Lennon's head.
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Post by adi on Jan 11, 2020 0:19:28 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. The "got to have the correct decision" brigade are taking over and ruining our game as a spectator sport, which after all is exactly what it is. Ah well as long as the neutral sitting on his armchair at home is happy who gives a fuck. I think your anger is misplaced massively here. It’s not the fans watching who make the decisions on the rules.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 11, 2020 0:56:08 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. The "got to have the correct decision" brigade are taking over and ruining our game as a spectator sport, which after all is exactly what it is. Ah well as long as the neutral sitting on his armchair at home is happy who gives a fuck. I think your anger is misplaced massively here. It’s not the fans watching who make the decisions on the rules. Yeah and why would a neutral in an armchair want good goals routinely chalked off in games? The whole thing is such a dreadful misadventure
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Post by skip on Jan 11, 2020 1:04:58 GMT
Can you imagine if we'd been nervously waiting to see if VAR had found anything wrong with Vokes' winner against Sheffield Wednesday on Boxing Day? Farcical I can, or the last minute equaliser v West Ham that Arnie scored. That's why I hate it. After his first two were disallowed, if that final one had been disallowed too, I seriously think he could have lamped an official.
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Post by Gods on Jan 11, 2020 2:03:37 GMT
"Hand ball can't be accidental on the build up to a goal."
What a stack of shit that is, no logic to it at all.
Handball is either handball or it is not, what follows should be irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 5:54:25 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. The "got to have the correct decision" brigade are taking over and ruining our game as a spectator sport, which after all is exactly what it is. Ah well as long as the neutral sitting on his armchair at home is happy who gives a fuck. I think your anger is misplaced massively here. It’s not the fans watching who make the decisions on the rules. I'm not angry mate. My point was more about the fact that the person sitting in the stands hasn't got the first clue what is going on, yet when you're sitting at home watching, you do. The Premier league has been all about the armchair fan for years, and the most important people (or who should be the most important), keep getting shit on.
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Post by thewatcher on Jan 11, 2020 7:48:52 GMT
But if it’s the right decision then that’s how it should be We should have had at least 2 penalties this season, seen red cards issued etc but have had decisions go in our favour This isn’t VAR it’s the new interpretation of the rule and it needs revisiting Before VAR I believe that a high percentage of controversial decisions went in favour of the top teams, players were punished on their reputation on some occasions We’ve all accepted, disappearing spray to Mark 10 yards for a free kick, goal line technology, VAR used to help officials get to the correct decision is vital with so much at stake in each game Why is it vital that the correct decision is made? Football exists purely for the fans. If 99% of supporters who attend Premier League games say VAR is ruining their experience then it needs to be addressed. Spot on. But the problem is now so much rests on the game from a financial perspective (plus the media obsession with over analysing every tiny incident) that the powers up top have to be seen to be doing something. The game isn’t made for the fans anymore- it’s well and truly a vehicle for revenue generation.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 11, 2020 9:30:47 GMT
It needs disbanding with immediate effect. I think judgement should be based on was the offence a deliberate attempt to gain advantage.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 11, 2020 9:48:59 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. . That's not correct. The laws of the game, and their interpretation, are drawn up by IFAB, the international board. From the start of this season they changed the interpretation of the handball law to disallow goals which have a handball in the build up, even if accidental. In other situations accidental handball is not an offence. The full list of changes is here www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020The use of VAR in the English Premier league is a completely separate matter. VAR applies the laws. It doesn't make them. It's the same with its use for offside. Much of the criticism of its application for offside is actually a criticism of the law. You can be for or against VAR, and for or against the laws as they are now written and interpreted, but the two things are different, and the decisions on them are taken by completely different bodies.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 11, 2020 9:58:34 GMT
It’s something similar to what Lineker has been peddling for ages and it’s always pissed me off. But he wanted penalties for any handball in the ball box. Both that and this are totally shite. Ex footballers who peddle this kind of shit really piss me off. It's like Shearer when he comes out with the bollocks like, "there was contact, he had the right to go down". If a player ha dgone down under a challenge from home back in the day like this he would have gone fucking ballistic the hypocritical cuntwipe. You should only go down because you cannot avoid falling end off anything else should be a booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 9:59:27 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. . That's not correct. The laws of the game, and their interpretation, are drawn up by IFAB, the international board. From the start of this season they changed the interpretation of the handball law to disallow goals which have a handball in the build up, even if accidental. In other situations accidental handball is not an offence. The full list of changes is here www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020The use of VAR in the English Premier league is a completely separate matter. VAR applies the laws. It doesn't make them. It's the same with its use for offside. Much of the criticism of its application for offside is actually a criticism of the law. You can be for or against VAR, and for or against the laws as they are now written and interpreted, but the two things are different, and the decisions on them are taken by completely different bodies. Fair enough Malcolm, but my original point still stands. The authorities and VAR may be separate entities but they are still doing their level best to completley ruin football as a spectator sport.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 11, 2020 10:01:44 GMT
Some very different but all very relevant opinions on VAR here so seeing as I've eleviated you all to the status of football experts can someone, anyone please tell me when obstruction changed to shielding the ball
UTV
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2020 10:05:01 GMT
Ex footballers who peddle this kind of shit really piss me off. It's like Shearer when he comes out with the bollocks like, "there was contact, he had the right to go down". If a player ha dgone down under a challenge from home back in the day like this he would have gone fucking ballistic the hypocritical cuntwipe. You should only go down because you cannot avoid falling end off anything else should be a booking. That work if referees gave fouls for being fouled but staying on your feet. They don’t. So you have to go down to get the reward you deserve generally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:07:09 GMT
Some very different but all very relevant opinions on VAR here so seeing as I've eleviated you all to the status of football experts can someone, anyone please tell me when obstruction changed to shielding the ball UTV I certainly can't
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 11, 2020 10:22:30 GMT
Thought as much. Brought in to justify the use of VAR. . That's not correct. The laws of the game, and their interpretation, are drawn up by IFAB, the international board. From the start of this season they changed the interpretation of the handball law to disallow goals which have a handball in the build up, even if accidental. In other situations accidental handball is not an offence. The full list of changes is here www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020The use of VAR in the English Premier league is a completely separate matter. VAR applies the laws. It doesn't make them. It's the same with its use for offside. Much of the criticism of its application for offside is actually a criticism of the law. You can be for or against VAR, and for or against the laws as they are now written and interpreted, but the two things are different, and the decisions on them are taken by completely different bodies. I'm not sure you can separate the two things. In the game last night the ref didn't see the offence, it was the intervention of VAR that effected the decision, so it is in effect a VAR decision. The reason the ref didn't see anything is that it was very minor, i.e. not clear or obvious. I think the fans are irritated by VAR picking very minor incidents that previously would not be deemed significant. Its therefore a ridiculous rule combined with a ridiculous enforcement.
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Post by harlequin on Jan 11, 2020 10:37:42 GMT
All VAR has done is apply the rules of the game. I hate how VAR is being used for offsides but it wasn’t the problem tonight. It’s the ridiculous handball rules. Agree with this.
Without VAR bad rules wouldn’t be applied as stringently.
But this wouldn’t matter if there wasn’t a bad rule in the first place.
It seems more flexibility is needed either in the rules or the application of them(getting rid of VAR). It should be the former in my opinion.
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 11, 2020 10:41:10 GMT
If it’s to change clear and obvious errors then the on field officials both ref and assistants should review the decision themselves as a team. Use the majority rule so two can overrule one, with all replays being shown to them in real time but from a different camera angles. In my opinion the slowing down and the lines are not correcting clear and obvious decisions but forensic analysis
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Post by thevoid on Jan 11, 2020 10:52:14 GMT
Killing the game. Get rid
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 11, 2020 10:52:41 GMT
That's not correct. The laws of the game, and their interpretation, are drawn up by IFAB, the international board. From the start of this season they changed the interpretation of the handball law to disallow goals which have a handball in the build up, even if accidental. In other situations accidental handball is not an offence. The full list of changes is here www.the-ra.org/news/ifab-law-changes-2019-2020The use of VAR in the English Premier league is a completely separate matter. VAR applies the laws. It doesn't make them. It's the same with its use for offside. Much of the criticism of its application for offside is actually a criticism of the law. You can be for or against VAR, and for or against the laws as they are now written and interpreted, but the two things are different, and the decisions on them are taken by completely different bodies. Fair enough Malcolm, but my original point still stands. The authorities and VAR may be separate entities but they are still doing their level best to completley ruin football as a spectator sport. I agree that the present position is unsustainable because the delays are ruining the experience of goal celebration and fans in the ground are often in the dark about what's going on. Separately, I also think there are problems with both the handball and offside laws. To be fair, I think there always have been but VAR has highlighted it. I'm not sure what the answer is. When I was young ( a long time ago) and there was no TV coverage of every game we could ( and did) argue all night long in the pub about whether it was a penalty; offside or whatever, and there was no way of resolving it. But ever since there have been cameras at every ground in the professional game, referees and their assistants have been pilloried by pundits and fans alike for the (inevitable - they are only human) mistakes which they show up. We can't have our cake and eat it. If we don't want VAR, we will have to accept that mistakes, sometimes very vital ones, will be made.
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Post by pretzel on Jan 11, 2020 11:11:16 GMT
Some very different but all very relevant opinions on VAR here so seeing as I've eleviated you all to the status of football experts can someone, anyone please tell me when obstruction changed to shielding the ball UTV That would have been around the time when a full blooded but (previously) fair tackle was outlawed.
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