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Post by kustokie on Jan 9, 2020 0:25:52 GMT
not one of these players is left. How far we have fallen in such as a short period of time.
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 9, 2020 0:53:01 GMT
Absolutely raging😡😡😡
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 9, 2020 1:26:55 GMT
It's tragic how the club has been run to allow it to deteriorate in the way it has done!!!
And it's the fans (the life and blood of the club) that suffer most......cuz Stoke City is our life..... Or at least a big chunk of it!!!
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 9, 2020 1:42:03 GMT
And then we signed Joe fucking Allen
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Post by spitshaw on Jan 9, 2020 1:47:14 GMT
It's heart breaking really
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 9, 2020 2:04:05 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically.
The Pullis era was great, the board probably waiting to long to make a change but eventually they did.
Hughes was a good appointment but ground hog day appeared some 4 or so years down the track and they to long to realise Hughes was his used by date.
This time the dithering got us relegated not because Paul Lambert was a bad man or manager but because the rot could not be halted quick enough.
When they decided to get rid of Lambert they should have gone for experience but they went with a young and aspiring manager who shot himself in the foot with us the supporters.
Then they compound the problem with appointment of an apprentice who got us in so much mess that if MON Stearns us up the table it will be a miracle.
I think MON is the man for the challenge and we don't need one additional player other than a left back.
We have seen him go to 4/3/3 with holding midfielder, then more recently change the shape of the 4/3/3 to more of a 4/2/3/2 and we look like we are improving every week.
We have put 4 past Barnsley , 3 past Luton, 5 past Huddlesfield and taken the risk of having Verlinden/ Campbell, Ngoy and Collins on the field at the same time.
We are heading the right direction for the first time in 3 years !
The board had to retain those young players and we continue to improve.
I know the thread highlights how bad the drop had been but I am optimistic that we have turned the corner.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 9, 2020 3:08:36 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically. The Pullis era was great, the board probably waiting to long to make a change but eventually they did. Hughes was a good appointment but ground hog day appeared some 4 or so years down the track and they to long to realise Hughes was his used by date. This time the dithering got us relegated not because Paul Lambert was a bad man or manager but because the rot could not be halted quick enough. When they decided to get rid of Lambert they should have gone for experience but they went with a young and aspiring manager who shot himself in the foot with us the supporters. Then they compound the problem with appointment of an apprentice who got us in so much mess that if MON Stearns us up the table it will be a miracle. I think MON is the man for the challenge and we don't need one additional player other than a left back. We have seen him go to 4/3/3 with holding midfielder, then more recently change the shape of the 4/3/3 to more of a 4/2/3/2 and we look like we are improving every week. We have put 4 past Barnsley , 3 past Luton, 5 past Huddlesfield and taken the risk of having Verlinden/ Campbell, Ngoy and Collins on the field at the same time. We are heading the right direction for the first time in 3 years ! The board had to retain those young players and we continue to improve. I know the thread highlights how bad the drop had been but I am optimistic that we have turned the corner. Good post. I agree we have bottomed out and are now on the way back up. We should be more optimistic now than at any time since we were relegated and I think next season will see us really push on.
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Post by s7oke on Jan 9, 2020 4:54:13 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically. The Pullis era was great, the board probably waiting to long to make a change but eventually they did. Hughes was a good appointment but ground hog day appeared some 4 or so years down the track and they to long to realise Hughes was his used by date. This time the dithering got us relegated not because Paul Lambert was a bad man or manager but because the rot could not be halted quick enough. When they decided to get rid of Lambert they should have gone for experience but they went with a young and aspiring manager who shot himself in the foot with us the supporters. Then they compound the problem with appointment of an apprentice who got us in so much mess that if MON Stearns us up the table it will be a miracle. I think MON is the man for the challenge and we don't need one additional player other than a left back. We have seen him go to 4/3/3 with holding midfielder, then more recently change the shape of the 4/3/3 to more of a 4/2/3/2 and we look like we are improving every week. We have put 4 past Barnsley , 3 past Luton, 5 past Huddlesfield and taken the risk of having Verlinden/ Campbell, Ngoy and Collins on the field at the same time. We are heading the right direction for the first time in 3 years ! The board had to retain those young players and we continue to improve. I know the thread highlights how bad the drop had been but I am optimistic that we have turned the corner. This 100% Thank you for your sane post 👍
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Post by bingbang on Jan 9, 2020 6:07:20 GMT
Don't think Hughes and his staff were the problem ( Bowen doing well as manager at Reading), I was told categorically that Hughes had lost all responsibility for recruitment it was down to the two muppets upstairs. So although one has now gone, we still have the other and can't see any positive outcome until he has gone and the management team watch and buy who they want.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 7:10:01 GMT
Ive assumed the plan always been for the academy to fill some spaces in the squad. Giving a team of youngsters on lesser money to takes us back to the premier league. With promotion worth £170m. Coates gets his money back.we get a young squad to excite us. So League one or promotion next season? Except we'd have to spend most of that money to make us competitive. Coates will never get his money back
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Post by nott1 on Jan 9, 2020 7:10:34 GMT
Some of this deterioration is down to players and their agents being greedy (Arnie etc.) In any case they were never as good as our seventies team!
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 9, 2020 7:47:01 GMT
Sheffield United remind me of us when we got promoted. Their players are willing to run through a brick wall for Wilder and they are getting some good results. I only hope they don't go the same way as us
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Post by zerps on Jan 9, 2020 8:02:10 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically. The Pullis era was great, the board probably waiting to long to make a change but eventually they did. Hughes was a good appointment but ground hog day appeared some 4 or so years down the track and they to long to realise Hughes was his used by date. This time the dithering got us relegated not because Paul Lambert was a bad man or manager but because the rot could not be halted quick enough. When they decided to get rid of Lambert they should have gone for experience but they went with a young and aspiring manager who shot himself in the foot with us the supporters. Then they compound the problem with appointment of an apprentice who got us in so much mess that if MON Stearns us up the table it will be a miracle. I think MON is the man for the challenge and we don't need one additional player other than a left back. We have seen him go to 4/3/3 with holding midfielder, then more recently change the shape of the 4/3/3 to more of a 4/2/3/2 and we look like we are improving every week. We have put 4 past Barnsley , 3 past Luton, 5 past Huddlesfield and taken the risk of having Verlinden/ Campbell, Ngoy and Collins on the field at the same time. We are heading the right direction for the first time in 3 years ! The board had to retain those young players and we continue to improve. I know the thread highlights how bad the drop had been but I am optimistic that we have turned the corner. Good post. I agree we have bottomed out and are now on the way back up. We should be more optimistic now than at any time since we were relegated and I think next season will see us really push on. Completely agree with that.
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Post by chad on Jan 9, 2020 8:09:03 GMT
Sheffield United remind me of us when we got promoted. Their players are willing to run through a brick wall for Wilder and they are getting some good results. I only hope they don't go the same way as us They will. It’s the way of the world
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Post by Bagwash on Jan 9, 2020 8:09:09 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically. The Pullis era was great, the board probably waiting to long to make a change but eventually they did. Hughes was a good appointment but ground hog day appeared some 4 or so years down the track and they to long to realise Hughes was his used by date. This time the dithering got us relegated not because Paul Lambert was a bad man or manager but because the rot could not be halted quick enough. When they decided to get rid of Lambert they should have gone for experience but they went with a young and aspiring manager who shot himself in the foot with us the supporters. Then they compound the problem with appointment of an apprentice who got us in so much mess that if MON Stearns us up the table it will be a miracle. I think MON is the man for the challenge and we don't need one additional player other than a left back. We have seen him go to 4/3/3 with holding midfielder, then more recently change the shape of the 4/3/3 to more of a 4/2/3/2 and we look like we are improving every week. We have put 4 past Barnsley , 3 past Luton, 5 past Huddlesfield and taken the risk of having Verlinden/ Campbell, Ngoy and Collins on the field at the same time. We are heading the right direction for the first time in 3 years ! The board had to retain those young players and we continue to improve. I know the thread highlights how bad the drop had been but I am optimistic that we have turned the corner. That is it in a nutshell,100% Superb post matey.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 8:09:12 GMT
Nothing do with Scholesy. Nothing whatsoever. It's perfectly natural for a chief exec to oversee such catastrophic decline, receive a pay rise and still have members of the support defending him to the hilt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 8:25:09 GMT
Except we'd have to spend most of that money to make us competitive. Coates will never get his money back i dont think the club will every spend eg £15/18 m on purchasing players ever again. Self sufficiency. Was always the long term plan if possible. It will be more like £30 million if they want to compete.....but let's stay up first hey
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Post by zerps on Jan 9, 2020 8:42:14 GMT
not one of these players is left. How far we have fallen in such as a short period of time. That’s like watching an ex girlfriend being fucked by three elephants.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jan 9, 2020 8:54:22 GMT
It was the back half of that season that we started to go backwards under Hughes, having been excellent in the first half. But nothing we shouldn't have been able to easily sort out if we'd just woken up a bit.
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Post by werrington on Jan 9, 2020 9:17:50 GMT
It was the back half of that season that we started to go backwards under Hughes, having been excellent in the first half. But nothing we shouldn't have been able to easily sort out if we'd just woken up a bit. It was the 2-2 at home to Leicester when we were 2 up Vardy sent off and all 4 defenders on yellow cards and all at HT December 2016 was the date it all started to turn sour
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jan 9, 2020 9:19:51 GMT
not one of these players is left. How far we have fallen in such as a short period of time. That’s like watching an ex girlfriend being fucked by three elephants. Pictures or it didn't happen.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2020 9:57:07 GMT
Paul Lambert is a lovely bloke, but I’m sorry he’s a godawful manager.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 9, 2020 10:58:42 GMT
We had it so good. We’re all privileged to have witnessed that team
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Post by pez75 on Jan 9, 2020 11:07:52 GMT
Sheffield United remind me of us when we got promoted. Their players are willing to run through a brick wall for Wilder and they are getting some good results. I only hope they don't go the same way as us What? Spending another 9 yrs in the best league in the world and finishing 9th in the league table of the decade? Would be terrible for them...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:27:37 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically. He is not the sole reason, true. But the fact that he's not in these highlights signifies that once we started signing players of lesser quality such as Allen we started setting our targets lower. That's when you end up paying a price for spending more on less.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 9, 2020 11:32:41 GMT
The best Stoke side I've ever seen and it was under Hughes. Some on here need to remember that and stop blaming him for our demise.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 9, 2020 11:34:27 GMT
Joe is not the reason we have fallen so dramatically. He is not the sole reason, true. But the fact that he's not in these highlights signifies that once we started signing players of lesser quality such as Allen we started setting our targets lower. That's when you end up paying a price for spending more on less. Lesser quality. Yeah right, he was in the team for the best players in the euros. Ambitious signing at the time.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 9, 2020 11:35:23 GMT
The best Stoke side I've ever seen and it was under Hughes. Some on here need to remember that and stop blaming him for our demise. Agreed. Clearly that is all Joe Allen's fault.
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Post by noustie on Jan 9, 2020 11:54:51 GMT
How good does Walters look in that video!
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 9, 2020 11:57:11 GMT
The best Stoke side I've ever seen and it was under Hughes. Some on here need to remember that and stop blaming him for our demise. Some of the stuff we played was as good as I've seen in any team in the Prem, we really were a fantastic side.
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