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Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 13, 2021 12:28:01 GMT
Why did he only play 6 times for QPR? Signed a six month loan deal on 16th January 2020. Therefore not long before covid lockdown and deal ended about when football started again? Not sure of the dates and can't be bothered to look them up but seems may be an answer to your question.
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Post by Ron on Jan 13, 2021 12:28:04 GMT
Pointless signing we’ve got better in the squad. As I keep saying we should be looking at players who have done something at this level. Matondo and Noreinfton-Davies have 1st team experience at similar level. Clarke has a handful of Leeds appearances and hardly pulled up trees. A lazy and unimaginative signing. I hope he proves me wrong and is brilliant but he is not what we need. I’d rather see Verlinden given a go. Plus where are the goals coming from???
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Post by ab61 on Jan 13, 2021 12:28:16 GMT
I'm amazed we would try to do any kind of deal with that club. They've had our pants down a couple of times before! Actually I'm not amazed at all. H Wilson Palacios and Kev Wimmer, 24 million pounds to Spurs right there for absolutely nothing except an increased wage bill. I'd rather we'd just burned the £24 million outside the Club Shop than give it to Daniel Levy. And you blame Spurs for that !?
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jan 13, 2021 12:29:55 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 13, 2021 12:30:01 GMT
Why did he only play 6 times for QPR? Signed a six month loan deal on 16th January 2020. Therefore not long before covid lockdown and deal ended about when football started again? Not sure of the dates and can't be bothered to look them up but seems may be an answer to your question. They had a very good team last year with Eze, chair, Samuel, hugil and Wells
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 13, 2021 12:32:05 GMT
Pointless signing we’ve got better in the squad. As I keep saying we should be looking at players who have done something at this level. Matondo and Noreinfton-Davies have 1st team experience at similar level. Clarke has a handful of Leeds appearances and hardly pulled up trees. A lazy and unimaginative signing. I hope he proves me wrong and is brilliant but he is not what we need. I’d rather see Verlinden given a go. Plus where are the goals coming from??? Played 25 games for Leeds and named their young player of the year at the age, I think, of 19 years
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Post by datguy on Jan 13, 2021 12:34:02 GMT
Right then, surely the front three is now Matondo, Brown and Clarke?
Think both Matondo and Clarke are huge risks. Both raw players with not much experience and not much output (as of yet). But they are the sort of risks that you have to take in this position really, especially considering the loans we've been subject to over the past couple of seasons...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 13, 2021 12:34:58 GMT
Pointless signing we’ve got better in the squad. As I keep saying we should be looking at players who have done something at this level. Matondo and Noreinfton-Davies have 1st team experience at similar level. Clarke has a handful of Leeds appearances and hardly pulled up trees. A lazy and unimaginative signing. I hope he proves me wrong and is brilliant but he is not what we need. I’d rather see Verlinden given a go. Plus where are the goals coming from??? I assume we're not allowed to sign anyone else then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 12:35:18 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:35:40 GMT
Exactly this , the fact Bayern rates him shows he’s not as good as ppl make out , he’s got potential but you’ve got to trust managers and coaches why he hasn’t started Yeah the fact that the person who has been banging on about how good this crop of young players are and that we should play them to get success shows he's not good. Great logic And the logic is the same manager and coaches keep picking Vokes so they can't have that good a judgement..... Just to be clear, because it sounds like you think so, do you think you're in a better position to judge players than the manager and coaches who work with them every day? You seem to think you are.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 13, 2021 12:37:10 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. I think most people would agree with that.
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Post by karl on Jan 13, 2021 12:37:13 GMT
Right then, surely the front three is now Matondo, Brown and Clarke? Think both Matondo and Clarke are huge risks. Both raw players with not much experience and not much output (as of yet). But they are the sort of risks that you have to take in this position really, especially considering the loans we've been subject to over the past couple of seasons... Those three would certainly scare defences in this league with there pace. Think it will be Fletcher instead of Brown when fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:37:41 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. Can you not accept that Verlinden isn't good enough? Does it have to be MON's fault he's not playing and not his? Is that not a possibility that there is a slight chance that he's just not good enough, rather than MON being totally blind to his Messi-esque ability...?
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Post by datguy on Jan 13, 2021 12:39:36 GMT
Right then, surely the front three is now Matondo, Brown and Clarke? Think both Matondo and Clarke are huge risks. Both raw players with not much experience and not much output (as of yet). But they are the sort of risks that you have to take in this position really, especially considering the loans we've been subject to over the past couple of seasons... Those three would certainly scare defences in this league with there pace. Think it will be Fletcher instead of Brown when fit. Oh aye, absolutely. Should have clarified when Fletcher is fit, he starts. I can't see him making any more than 10 starts from now till the end of the season though to be honest. He's a knee flare up waiting to happen.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 13, 2021 12:40:30 GMT
They are a gamble for sure, Rabbi especially looks as if he could be lightweight in comparison to some seasoned championship defenders, I guess it depends if we can get the ball to him in the right areas to exploit his pace.. going to be fascinating for sure.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jan 13, 2021 12:41:15 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. Clearly he has had ample opportunity to play him lately and the only conclusion can be that he does not feel he is good enough for the position he would be most suited by. The example of Vokes is not one to compare this with but I have not seen what we have had to lose by giving Verlinden a go in preference to the atrocious form that Maclean has been showing. The Manager has got his reasons and I am happy to go along with them but it does not stop me from wondering precisely what this reasons are. We never find out from Managers usually though do we.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 12:43:19 GMT
I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. Can you not accept that Verlinden isn't good enough? Does it have to be MON's fault he's not playing and not his? Is that not a possibility that there is a slight chance that he's just not good enough, rather than MON being totally blind to his Messi-esque ability...? I think it's nonsense given what we've had to put up with for the last 6 weeks. He's better than Brown and Vokes. So yes it is. He might not be good enough, we don't know do we. That's what is annoying!
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Post by datguy on Jan 13, 2021 12:43:43 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. Could it not just be he doesn't think his quality matches his attitude? From our perspective, I think it is very odd Verlinden hasn't been a regular over the past 5-6 games. But surely MON has done enough to prove he's more than willing to trust the youth when he needs them? Especially with the signings he's making this window. I think the whole 'I'll trust MON's opinion over yours' argument is complete shite. But I do think we have to trust what he's seeing and what we aren't.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2021 12:43:58 GMT
Pointless signing we’ve got better in the squad. As I keep saying we should be looking at players who have done something at this level. Matondo and Noreinfton-Davies have 1st team experience at similar level. Clarke has a handful of Leeds appearances and hardly pulled up trees. A lazy and unimaginative signing. I hope he proves me wrong and is brilliant but he is not what we need. I’d rather see Verlinden given a go. Plus where are the goals coming from??? Didn't pull up any trees?.. some would describe that as lazy research.
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Post by devondumpling on Jan 13, 2021 12:44:04 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. M O'N doesn't rate him. Sorry to arrest your amusement.
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Post by Ron on Jan 13, 2021 12:44:18 GMT
Pointless signing we’ve got better in the squad. As I keep saying we should be looking at players who have done something at this level. Matondo and Noreinfton-Davies have 1st team experience at similar level. Clarke has a handful of Leeds appearances and hardly pulled up trees. A lazy and unimaginative signing. I hope he proves me wrong and is brilliant but he is not what we need. I’d rather see Verlinden given a go. Plus where are the goals coming from??? I assume we're not allowed to sign anyone else then? why waste money on players we don’t need?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 13, 2021 12:44:34 GMT
Great. Love to see young, exciting prospects being linked / signed (loan or otherwise given FFP atm).
However, if we're being totally pragmatic, which do we need more urgently:
ano winger (MoN must really, really have lost all faith and hope in JMcC, TV & TI)
or
A goal scorer down the middle?
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Post by datguy on Jan 13, 2021 12:47:01 GMT
Great. Love to see young, exciting prospects being linked / signed (loan or otherwise given FFP atm). However, if we're being totally pragmatic, which do we need more urgently: ano winger (MoN must really, really have lost all faith and hope in JMcC, TV & TI) or A goal scorer down the middle? Either or. Get a winger in, you've got Brown up top. Get a striker in, you've got Brown on the wing. Some would say that's the exact same problem, but at least you're getting Vokes out of the team...
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 13, 2021 12:51:03 GMT
Exactly this , the fact Bayern rates him shows he’s not as good as ppl make out , he’s got potential but you’ve got to trust managers and coaches why he hasn’t started Yeah the fact that the person who has been banging on about how good this crop of young players are and that we should play them to get success shows he's not good. Great logic And the logic is the same manager and coaches keep picking Vokes so they can't have that good a judgement..... It’s similar logic to that of the management and coaching staff of then 2nd division FC St Pauli, who decided that over two loan periods Verlinden was only good enough to represent their reserve team. It will be five years this summer since Verlinden joined Stoke and shouldn’t he have made some kind of breakthrough by now ? Or are all the various managers, coaches since 2016 wrong about him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 12:54:57 GMT
Yeah the fact that the person who has been banging on about how good this crop of young players are and that we should play them to get success shows he's not good. Great logic And the logic is the same manager and coaches keep picking Vokes so they can't have that good a judgement..... It’s similar logic to that of the management and coaching staff of then 2nd division FC St Pauli, who decided that over two loan periods Verlinden was only good enough to represent their reserve team. It will be five years this summer since Verlinden joined Stoke and shouldn’t he have made some kind of breakthrough by now ? Or are all the various managers, coaches since 2016 wrong about him. I mean all our coaches and managers since then bar the current one have all been fucking atrocious.
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 13, 2021 12:55:04 GMT
Great. Love to see young, exciting prospects being linked / signed (loan or otherwise given FFP atm). However, if we're being totally pragmatic, which do we need more urgently: ano winger (MoN must really, really have lost all faith and hope in JMcC, TV & TI) or A goal scorer down the middle? Either or. Get a winger in, you've got Brown up top. Get a striker in, you've got Brown on the wing. Some would say that's the exact same problem, but at least you're getting Vokes out of the team... With pace either side of him brown will look a total different player. He's doing the running for vokes at the moment and the pressing game MON wants to play will suit the young fast players
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 13, 2021 12:56:46 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. Maybe he rates him in terms of his footballing ability but not in terms of his attitude.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 13, 2021 12:56:54 GMT
Vokes might just look a little better if he has better wide players that can actually pick him out with a cross. As shit as he's been he had little to no accurate crosses coming in. McCleans delivery has been woeful lately.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 13, 2021 12:57:07 GMT
I'd like to know why people think MON has a random (and uncharacteristic) vendetta again Verlinden? He's hardly got a problem with youth, there's so obviously something we're missing. I don't think it's a vendetta at all. I just don't think he rates him. People don't want to say that and it amuses me greatly. He doesn’t rate him, it’s just so amusing that you rate him so highly on the evidence of his appearances for the U23s, has he ever scored for them ?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 13, 2021 12:58:32 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-jack-clarke-4882857Warnock doesn't seem to think he's one that can hit the ground running at this level - and his loan back to Leeds and spell at QPR weren't massive successes after the initial hype But maybe, if true, we're at the stage where we need to take a punt and get a promising warm body who can offer something out wide, such is the shortage of options that are available and affordable in this window? He looked surprisingly poor against Marine I thought but unless he's played against and I didn't notice him I've never watched him otherwise. Dele Alli looked shit too but I’d take him as well.
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