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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 18:43:59 GMT
I’ve literally heard drug dealers & gangsters use the same logic... Apart from drug dealing not being legal that's a brilliant comparison. Not. Bankers have cost us a Trillion, but we’ve sent no one down for it. Our biggest bailout before that was for “compensation” for the freedom of slaves. No one went down for that neither...
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Post by serpico on Jan 4, 2020 18:47:54 GMT
ok, then go pick up a gun and fight them yourself!!! ... seriously, if you're determined to stamp out evil in this world go and fight it, talk is cheap! I'm all for keeping the islamic scourge out of OUR country but fighting in foreign lands is a fools errand. We don't need to go thousands of miles to fight this, just police our borders and weed out the islamic crazies in this country and we'll be just fine. So your logic is if you support the NHS become a doctor or if you like living in a house become a builder. Interesting. I'm happy for military professionals who volunteer and are specially trained to do the fighting thanks. people who work for the NHS should be helping people IN THIS COUNTRY to stay healthy, why do you want our tax money going to fight other peoples wars for them ?? fuck that! saudi arabia and israel can fight their own wars, fuck them! as i say, if you want to go and fight in the persian gulf, fair play, do it with your own money and weapons, i wish you the best of luck!
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Post by serpico on Jan 4, 2020 19:12:19 GMT
simply saying "he's evil" isn't good enough, there will ALWAYS be some evil cunt some where doing really terrible stuff, its horrible, but thats just the world we live in, to say we must go and fight this evil is a recipe for perpetual war, for the people who want to go and fight the Iranian regime i wish you all the luck in the world, just don't concern this country in it, do it on your own dime and time.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 20:31:15 GMT
Apart from drug dealing not being legal that's a brilliant comparison. Not. Bankers have cost us a Trillion, but we’ve sent no one down for it. Our biggest bailout before that was for “compensation” for the freedom of slaves. No one went down for that neither... I'm really not sure what the fuck you're on about. Like zero idea. Anyway, the bankers paid most of that back. And it wasn't a trillion but hey..... facts right.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 20:34:26 GMT
So your logic is if you support the NHS become a doctor or if you like living in a house become a builder. Interesting. I'm happy for military professionals who volunteer and are specially trained to do the fighting thanks. people who work for the NHS should be helping people IN THIS COUNTRY to stay healthy, why do you want our tax money going to fight other peoples wars for them ?? fuck that! saudi arabia and israel can fight their own wars, fuck them! as i say, if you want to go and fight in the persian gulf, fair play, do it with your own money and weapons, i wish you the best of luck! So you think we should resign our seat on the UN security council. Leave NATO withdraw all troops for the glabe back to the UK and only keep a standing army to defend our own island? Is that what you really think?
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 20:39:25 GMT
people who work for the NHS should be helping people IN THIS COUNTRY to stay healthy, why do you want our tax money going to fight other peoples wars for them ?? fuck that! saudi arabia and israel can fight their own wars, fuck them! as i say, if you want to go and fight in the persian gulf, fair play, do it with your own money and weapons, i wish you the best of luck! So you think we should resign our seat on the UN security council. Leave NATO withdraw all troops for the glabe back to the UK and only keep a standing army to defend our own island? Is that what you really think? So you think every country on the UN Security Council and every country in NATO now has to get involved in whatever America wants to? Is that what you really think?
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Post by prettything on Jan 4, 2020 20:47:09 GMT
And here's the Headbanger in Chief reporting for duty You've zero evidence of what the majority of the good people of Stoke on Trent think about this situation. You talk about debate but instantly show that your idea of "propaganda" is obviously anything that disagrees with your already made up mind. If you listen to some you'll believe it's a distraction from Trump's impeachment process. If you listen to others then the World is a better place without this maniac and will be better still once the religious extremist controlling Iran are finally defeated. Whatever this chap did and didn’t do, isn’t important. As the most powerful nation in the world, and so called leaders of democracy and freedom, you can’t go around and assassinate individuals you deem to be worthy of death. The moral barometer is not set by the USA, or anybody else for that matter. Unfortunately the result of their actions has now set off a chain of events that can’t be stopped . What this will entail is anybody’s guess. Trumps decision, is hawkish, thoughtless and reckless. To not consult, us, or any other ally, shows the arrogance of the man. As Serpico says, this is about oil! The fact that he has an impeachment hearing and a election coming up, is the icing on the shit sandwich. Stupid and reckless. Kind of sums up the US foreign policy of the last 50 years. We should stay well out of it!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 20:48:33 GMT
So you think we should resign our seat on the UN security council. Leave NATO withdraw all troops for the glabe back to the UK and only keep a standing army to defend our own island? Is that what you really think? So you think every country on the UN Security Council and every country in NATO now has to get involved in whatever America wants to? Is that what you really think? No that's not what I think. Why are you replying to my post to someone else?
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 20:54:31 GMT
So you think every country on the UN Security Council and every country in NATO now has to get involved in whatever America wants to? Is that what you really think? No that's not what I think. Why are you replying to my post to someone else? Right so not getting involved doesn't in fact jeopardise our place in NATO or on the Security Council. Glad we established that It's a free forum. You reply to posts to other people all the time. Live with it or jog on pal.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 20:57:10 GMT
You've zero evidence of what the majority of the good people of Stoke on Trent think about this situation. You talk about debate but instantly show that your idea of "propaganda" is obviously anything that disagrees with your already made up mind. If you listen to some you'll believe it's a distraction from Trump's impeachment process. If you listen to others then the World is a better place without this maniac and will be better still once the religious extremist controlling Iran are finally defeated. Whatever this chap did and didn’t do, isn’t important. As the most powerful nation in the world, and so called leaders of democracy and freedom, you can’t go around and assassinate individuals you deem to be worthy of death. The moral barometer is not set by the USA, or anybody else for that matter. Unfortunately the result of their actions has now set off a chain of events that can’t be stopped . What this will entail is anybody’s guess. Trumps decision, is hawkish, thoughtless and reckless. To not consult, us, or any other ally, shows the arrogance of the man. As Serpico says, this is about oil! The fact that he has an impeachment hearing and a election coming up, is the icing on the shit sandwich. Stupid and reckless. Kind of sums up the US foreign policy of the last 50 years. We should stay well out of it! Excellent post, although Roger doesn't like you responding unless the post was directed at you - fair warning
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Post by prettything on Jan 4, 2020 21:04:36 GMT
Whatever this chap did and didn’t do, isn’t important. As the most powerful nation in the world, and so called leaders of democracy and freedom, you can’t go around and assassinate individuals you deem to be worthy of death. The moral barometer is not set by the USA, or anybody else for that matter. Unfortunately the result of their actions has now set off a chain of events that can’t be stopped . What this will entail is anybody’s guess. Trumps decision, is hawkish, thoughtless and reckless. To not consult, us, or any other ally, shows the arrogance of the man. As Serpico says, this is about oil! The fact that he has an impeachment hearing and a election coming up, is the icing on the shit sandwich. Stupid and reckless. Kind of sums up the US foreign policy of the last 50 years. We should stay well out of it! Excellent post, although Roger doesn't like you responding unless the post was directed at you - fair warning 😂Roge is a good lad. Had some good banter with him in the past, and to be fair he is always up for another opinion. Stokie in all!
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Post by Boothen on Jan 4, 2020 21:07:02 GMT
You have to love the irony of the coffins being carried atop a Chevy pick up as the crowds chant 'Death to America'.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 21:12:40 GMT
You've zero evidence of what the majority of the good people of Stoke on Trent think about this situation. You talk about debate but instantly show that your idea of "propaganda" is obviously anything that disagrees with your already made up mind. If you listen to some you'll believe it's a distraction from Trump's impeachment process. If you listen to others then the World is a better place without this maniac and will be better still once the religious extremist controlling Iran are finally defeated. Whatever this chap did and didn’t do, isn’t important.As the most powerful nation in the world, and so called leaders of democracy and freedom, you can’t go around and assassinate individuals you deem to be worthy of death. The moral barometer is not set by the USA, or anybody else for that matter. Unfortunately the result of their actions has now set off a chain of events that can’t be stopped . What this will entail is anybody’s guess. Trumps decision, is hawkish, thoughtless and reckless. To not consult, us, or any other ally, shows the arrogance of the man. As Serpico says, this is about oil! The fact that he has an impeachment hearing and a election coming up, is the icing on the shit sandwich. Stupid and reckless. Kind of sums up the US foreign policy of the last 50 years. We should stay well out of it! His personal ideas killed hundreds of allied servicemen and women and thousands of Iranian civilians. The USA aren't trying to be any moral barometer. They have been 'at war' with Iran for a long time and Iran just attacked one of their embassies. It's got nothing to do with oil or the impeachment. If anyone is interested in the impeachment..... spoiler alert..... Trump won't get kicked out of the White House. The House of Representatives will vote for impeachment the Senate will not and that's where it'll end. The 'evidence' is not conclusive. Even Clinton didn't get kicked out after he admitted his guilt. The Dems want the process to go on as long as possible during the election year and they want the word in the press weekly. Trump wants the process done sooner because he knows it's another Mueller nothing burger.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
No that's not what I think. Why are you replying to my post to someone else? Right so not getting involved doesn't in fact jeopardise our place in NATO or on the Security Council. Glad we established that It's a free forum. You reply to posts to other people all the time. Live with it or jog on pal. No. I just don't want China or Russia involved. In fact I don't want them on the security council. France should stand up and be counted though. More arse gravy from you.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 21:21:37 GMT
Bankers have cost us a Trillion, but we’ve sent no one down for it. Our biggest bailout before that was for “compensation” for the freedom of slaves. No one went down for that neither... I'm really not sure what the fuck you're on about. Like zero idea. Anyway, the bankers paid most of that back. And it wasn't a trillion but hey..... facts right. You don’t know any facts, so how would you know what I’m saying when you’re lost in your own bigotry & hate 🤑
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 21:26:38 GMT
Right so not getting involved doesn't in fact jeopardise our place in NATO or on the Security Council. Glad we established that It's a free forum. You reply to posts to other people all the time. Live with it or jog on pal. No. I just don't want China or Russia involved. In fact I don't want them on the security council. France should stand up and be counted though. More arse gravy from you. Straight from the alt right keyboard warrior playbook. I call you on a fundamental flaw, you try to pretend the discussion is about something else entirely. Not working on me I'm afraid sunshine To recap, your post to serpico was bollocks, and had no basis in reality.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 21:31:52 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 21:35:17 GMT
I’m not even reading that cause it’s $#!t. You’re just £@#&!n about in lies again & as for the Bankers paying all the bailout back🤣🤣🤣 Go & get some rest, it’s been a long emotional day. Nurse!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 21:35:37 GMT
No. I just don't want China or Russia involved. In fact I don't want them on the security council. France should stand up and be counted though. More arse gravy from you. Straight from the alt right keyboard warrior playbook. I call you on a fundamental flaw, you try to pretend the discussion is about something else entirely. Not working on me I'm afraid sunshine To recap, your post to serpico was bollocks, and had no basis in reality. What was that pal?
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Post by prettything on Jan 4, 2020 21:37:09 GMT
Whatever this chap did and didn’t do, isn’t important.As the most powerful nation in the world, and so called leaders of democracy and freedom, you can’t go around and assassinate individuals you deem to be worthy of death. The moral barometer is not set by the USA, or anybody else for that matter. Unfortunately the result of their actions has now set off a chain of events that can’t be stopped . What this will entail is anybody’s guess. Trumps decision, is hawkish, thoughtless and reckless. To not consult, us, or any other ally, shows the arrogance of the man. As Serpico says, this is about oil! The fact that he has an impeachment hearing and a election coming up, is the icing on the shit sandwich. Stupid and reckless. Kind of sums up the US foreign policy of the last 50 years. We should stay well out of it! His personal ideas killed hundreds of allied servicemen and women and thousands of Iranian civilians. The USA aren't trying to be any moral barometer. They have been 'at war' with Iran for a long time and Iran just attacked one of their embassies. It's got nothing to do with oil or the impeachment. If anyone is interested in the impeachment..... spoiler alert..... Trump won't get kicked out of the White House. The House of Representatives will vote for impeachment the Senate will not and that's where it'll end. The 'evidence' is not conclusive. Even Clinton didn't get kicked out after he admitted his guilt. The Dems want the process to go on as long as possible during the election year and they want the word in the press weekly. Trump wants the process done sooner because he knows it's another Mueller nothing burger. Completely agree with the last paragraph, mate. Trump won’t get impeached. Everything you have said, are reasons why he won’t . The first bit? Nah . The US hadn’t been at war with Iran for “a long time”. In fact there has been peace. (See the treaty that Obama and the west signed with them,regarding non nuclear proliferation) “Attacked one of their embassies?” Come on. That’s a dubious reason to say the least , considering no one was hurt, and most of the damage was done by protesters who were angry at the US, new, hawkish policy towards Iran. Considering the regime change that was directly influenced by the US over 40 years ago, it’s fair to say the US aren’t popular in Iran. If you think that the US has a divine right to assassinate someone, without consensus or dialogue, without anybody else’s opinion or judgement, then it’s a very dangerous road we are going down//already on. You don’t think it’s about oil? Then why didn’t the US get involved in the Congo, Zimbabwe or Burma?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 21:37:11 GMT
I’m not even reading that cause it’s $#!t. You’re just £@#&!n about in lies again & as for the Bankers paying all the bailout back🤣🤣🤣 Go & get some rest, it’s been a long emotional day. Nurse! It's not shit. It's the truth. That you don't know because it doesn't fit your 'bankers are bad' lefty bollocks. You're not reading it because it proves you're wrong. Child.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 4, 2020 21:38:20 GMT
Oh look, Rogers deflecting again by getting a new moniker. Boring💤
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Post by prettything on Jan 4, 2020 21:41:01 GMT
Right so not getting involved doesn't in fact jeopardise our place in NATO or on the Security Council. Glad we established that It's a free forum. You reply to posts to other people all the time. Live with it or jog on pal. No. I just don't want China or Russia involved. In fact I don't want them on the security council. France should stand up and be counted though. More arse gravy from you. Unfortunately mate, because of what Trump has done, Russia and China may get involved. For the reasons I’m sure you know about.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 21:44:14 GMT
I’m not even reading that cause it’s $#!t. You’re just £@#&!n about in lies again & as for the Bankers paying all the bailout back🤣🤣🤣 Go & get some rest, it’s been a long emotional day. Nurse! He's been run ragged today mate. Blowing out his arse
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 21:49:37 GMT
Straight from the alt right keyboard warrior playbook. I call you on a fundamental flaw, you try to pretend the discussion is about something else entirely. Not working on me I'm afraid sunshine To recap, your post to serpico was bollocks, and had no basis in reality. What was that pal?And what was what sugartits? You've got fuck all have you. No arguments, no points, no facts, and nothing to back any of it up with. Like bath has said, you should get some rest. You've had a long day of making a dick of yourself.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 4, 2020 21:53:59 GMT
His personal ideas killed hundreds of allied servicemen and women and thousands of Iranian civilians. The USA aren't trying to be any moral barometer. They have been 'at war' with Iran for a long time and Iran just attacked one of their embassies. It's got nothing to do with oil or the impeachment. If anyone is interested in the impeachment..... spoiler alert..... Trump won't get kicked out of the White House. The House of Representatives will vote for impeachment the Senate will not and that's where it'll end. The 'evidence' is not conclusive. Even Clinton didn't get kicked out after he admitted his guilt. The Dems want the process to go on as long as possible during the election year and they want the word in the press weekly. Trump wants the process done sooner because he knows it's another Mueller nothing burger. Completely agree with the last paragraph, mate. Trump won’t get impeached. Everything you have said, are reasons why he won’t . The first bit? Nah . The US hadn’t been at war with Iran for “a long time”. In fact there has been peace. (See the treaty that Obama and the west signed with them,regarding non nuclear proliferation) “Attacked one of their embassies?” Come on. That’s a dubious reason to say the least , considering no one was hurt, and most of the damage was done by protesters who were angry at the US, new, hawkish policy towards Iran. Considering the regime change that was directly influenced by the US over 40 years ago, it’s fair to say the US aren’t popular in Iran. If you think that the US has a divine right to assassinate someone, without consensus or dialogue, with anybody else’s opinion or judgement, then it’s a very dangerous road we are going down//already on. You don’t think it’s about oil? Then why didn’t the US get involved in the Congo, Zimbabwe or Burma? Where to start peace well if you ignore the 1500 protestors killed, the many thousands injured... Do you not even know what Iran has been upto ? They werent protestors who attacked the embassy they were some of the dead dickless cunts militia. And no its not about oil the usa gets less than 20% of its oil from the middle east most comes from canada. The funny thing is all the the things you criticise the usa the iranians have been doing in spades in many many countries haven't seen any condemnation of Iran.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 22:03:23 GMT
His personal ideas killed hundreds of allied servicemen and women and thousands of Iranian civilians. The USA aren't trying to be any moral barometer. They have been 'at war' with Iran for a long time and Iran just attacked one of their embassies. It's got nothing to do with oil or the impeachment. If anyone is interested in the impeachment..... spoiler alert..... Trump won't get kicked out of the White House. The House of Representatives will vote for impeachment the Senate will not and that's where it'll end. The 'evidence' is not conclusive. Even Clinton didn't get kicked out after he admitted his guilt. The Dems want the process to go on as long as possible during the election year and they want the word in the press weekly. Trump wants the process done sooner because he knows it's another Mueller nothing burger. Completely agree with the last paragraph, mate. Trump won’t get impeached. Everything you have said is the reason why he won’t . The first bit? Nah . The US hadn’t been at war with Iran for “a long time”. In fact there has been peace. (See the treaty that Obama and the west signed with them,regarding non nuclear proliferation) “Attacked one of their embassies?” Come on. That’s a dubious reason to say the least , considering no one was hurt, and most of the damage was done by protesters who were angry at the US, new, hawkish policy towards Iran. Considering the regime change that was directly influenced by the US over 40 years ago, it’s fair to say the US aren’t popular in Iran. If you think that the US has a divine right to assassinate someone, without consensus or dialogue, with anybody else’s opinion or judgement, them it’s a very dangerous road we are going down//already on. You don’t think it’s about oil? Then why didn’t the US get involved in the Congo, Zimbabwe or Burma? They've been 'warring' for ages. Politically, cyber, trade, sanctions and covert ops. There will never be a conventional war between Iran and the US. It would be a training exercise for the Americans. Everyone has a right to protect their sovereign interests. If that includes a drone strike then so be it. Probably because the regimes in Congo, Zimbabwe or Burma haven't brainwashed their hardcore citizens to hate the US or spent decades and billions trying to kill and destroy US and Western interests.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 4, 2020 22:03:43 GMT
Completely agree with the last paragraph, mate. Trump won’t get impeached. Everything you have said, are reasons why he won’t . The first bit? Nah . The US hadn’t been at war with Iran for “a long time”. In fact there has been peace. (See the treaty that Obama and the west signed with them,regarding non nuclear proliferation) “Attacked one of their embassies?” Come on. That’s a dubious reason to say the least , considering no one was hurt, and most of the damage was done by protesters who were angry at the US, new, hawkish policy towards Iran. Considering the regime change that was directly influenced by the US over 40 years ago, it’s fair to say the US aren’t popular in Iran. If you think that the US has a divine right to assassinate someone, without consensus or dialogue, with anybody else’s opinion or judgement, then it’s a very dangerous road we are going down//already on. You don’t think it’s about oil? Then why didn’t the US get involved in the Congo, Zimbabwe or Burma? Where to start peace well if you ignore the 1500 protestors killed, the many thousands injured... Do you not even know what Iran has been upto ? They werent protestors who attacked the embassy they were some of the dead dickless cunts militia. And no its not about oil the usa gets less than 20% of its oil from the middle east most comes from canada. The funny thing is all the the things you criticise the usa the iranians have been doing in spades in many many countries haven't seen any condemnation of Iran. If the Tories told you to swallow a Ford Mondeo you'd die trying
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 22:09:22 GMT
Oh look, Rogers deflecting again by getting a new moniker. Boring💤 Deflecting from what? Your total bollocks about the banking bailout or your total bollocks about no one being "sent down" for slave compensation on a thread about politics in the Middle East.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 4, 2020 22:10:55 GMT
And what was what sugartits? You've got fuck all have you. No arguments, no points, no facts, and nothing to back any of it up with. Like bath has said, you should get some rest. You've had a long day of making a dick of yourself.
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