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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2020 18:10:07 GMT
Collins should be used.
The others have shown they’re not good enough.
But it’s ok for the experienced players to make mistakes or something 🤦♂️
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 18:18:49 GMT
Quite ridiculous comments in all honesty. It's experienced players that have got us into this mess. Campbell has been a revelation up front and has shown the 'experience' in that department right up. Is he seriously suggesting that Baath, Lindsay and Chester are THAT much better than Collins? Chester has been a regular solid player at this level, yet to really find his feet for us but if he isn't better than Collins then I'd be worried. Lindsay you could have an argument for but did show some improvement before he got dropped and Baath, well, he's very hit an miss with which version of him turns up. If you're not worried about Chester, and more to the point O'Neill isn't, it borders on careless. We were able to get him because he was not good enough at Villa anymore. Picking up a player like that can give him a new lease of life or it just continues his downward spiral. It's too soon to write him off just yet, but a couple of matches with the u-23s might see him regain some fitness and confidence, unless he's too proud to sit in with the kids, in which case we should send him back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 18:31:07 GMT
If Collins was untried, I could understand why people have reservations like some had a year ago. But he's shown he can stand up to what gets thrown at him, he's solid in the tackle, and plays well with his feet. He's not afraid to order older players about as he's a natural when it comes to organising the defence. He hasn't let us down in the appearences he's made.
Unlike some others I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 18:43:44 GMT
I think some are falling Into the trap of those who aren't playing are the answer. I like Collins but to simply think he'll come in and all will be better doesn't convince me. Some calling for Diouf proves the pointW. We've seen some great defensive displays at say West Brom and some awful ones like last week. Personally thought last week we missed McClean tracking back and were exposed that flank. We"ve lost two games just need to get back on track tomorrow. I don't know what point Diouf proves to you. He's got a 100% record this season. One GA, one goal. Of course that's because he's only played scarce minutes. Your point of the trap is exactly the arguments some oatcakers were using not to play Campbell. Then he played and then what happened?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 21, 2020 18:46:36 GMT
People are just going to have to accept that Collins is it co soldered relevant this season unless we get multiple injuries . Personally i get it and think Ryan’s ability to feature or not is the key to our survival . One thing s for sure 3 defeats this week and we are In desperate . Desperate trouble looking at the fixtures and Wigan away on the horizon The key to survival is the proven ability of this manager to win every other game. Really can't see any of the bottom three getting 46 points, can't see us getting less than 50. However we don't draw many so we will get some horrible defeats. Said before I think 4 wins would actually do it . But I’m undecided if we will get them
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Post by lordb on Feb 21, 2020 19:44:04 GMT
The key to survival is the proven ability of this manager to win every other game. Really can't see any of the bottom three getting 46 points, can't see us getting less than 50. However we don't draw many so we will get some horrible defeats. Said before I think 4 wins would actually do it . But I’m undecided if we will get them Only four wins would be a significant downturn in form under O'Neill, we will get 6 wins at least I expect five defeats too Two more draws.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 19:45:31 GMT
Quite ridiculous comments in all honesty. It's experienced players that have got us into this mess. Campbell has been a revelation up front and has shown the 'experience' in that department right up. Is he seriously suggesting that Baath, Lindsay and Chester are THAT much better than Collins? Chester has been a regular solid player at this level, yet to really find his feet for us but if he isn't better than Collins then I'd be worried. Lindsay you could have an argument for but did show some improvement before he got dropped and Baath, well, he's very hit an miss with which version of him turns up. I think the argument for and against Chester revolves around the fact we play a back four and he's been good at this level, and even the one above, in a back three isn't it? His success at international level was also in the 541 that Coleman used. The other angle with Chester, wrt Collins, is the fact he's only on loan and on big wages no doubt. At the end of the season he is free and he may end up elsewhere if his form kicks in, whilst our own Academy player kicks around playing hardly any games at all with his development hindered. Baath is not better than Collins. Defensively he has been all over the place bar WBA away and his distribution is non league standard. Lindsay is the closest call of all of them given how we play.
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 21, 2020 19:49:26 GMT
Lets be honest the lad couldn't do much worse than Batth, Linsay or Chester could he?
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Post by stokeyank on Feb 21, 2020 20:22:57 GMT
Lets be honest the lad couldn't do much worse than Batth, Linsay or Chester could he? This is my main argument. I don't think it will "fix" everything but give the youth some experience and time. It's doubtful he'd be worse that what we have and could be better. I've heard the argument that it could set him back if he plays poorly and gets shit from the crowd. If that is the case then he's not cut out to be a high level player anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 20:37:05 GMT
I think some are falling Into the trap of those who aren't playing are the answer. I like Collins but to simply think he'll come in and all will be better doesn't convince me. Some calling for Diouf proves the pointW. We've seen some great defensive displays at say West Brom and some awful ones like last week. Personally thought last week we missed McClean tracking back and were exposed that flank. We"ve lost two games just need to get back on track tomorrow. I don't know what point Diouf proves to you. He's got a 100% record this season. One GA, one goal. Of course that's because he's only played scarce minutes. Your point of the trap is exactly the arguments some oatcakers were using not to play Campbell. Then he played and then what happened? I was thinking more 1 goal in 32 games but hey
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 20:41:13 GMT
Lets be honest the lad couldn't do much worse than Batth, Linsay or Chester could he? This is my main argument. I don't think it will "fix" everything but give the youth some experience and time. It's doubtful he'd be worse that what we have and could be better. I've heard the argument that it could set him back if he plays poorly and gets shit from the crowd. If that is the case then he's not cut out to be a high level player anyway. I like Collins and seen him come through the Ireland ranks. This argument of couldn't do much worse isn't even a discussion for me. I just don't think this is the time to stick him in. We were massively exposed last week due to no donkey work from McClean down that flank, something we must cut out tomorrow. Chester looks rusty which I understand, we've been getting results and a knee jerk over a couple of poor results not the answer for me
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 21, 2020 20:44:20 GMT
Chester really struggled in the air versus QPR, and this is one of Cardiff's strengths as well. I'd drop him and play Collins instead, I'd even play Lindsay intead in this game. I still think Chester could come good, but he looks a bit easy to bully in the air so far, just as Indi when played in the centre.
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Post by lordb on Feb 21, 2020 21:58:00 GMT
Chester really struggled in the air versus QPR, and this is one of Cardiff's strengths as well. I'd drop him and play Collins instead, I'd even play Lindsay intead in this game. I still think Chester could come good, but he looks a bit easy to bully in the air so far, just as Indi when played in the centre. And yet he did well in the air v Taylor when we played Charlton No getting away from it our entire back four was a shambles last week, none could complain if they dropped tomorrow however Chester has had one bad game and two good ones, Batth has more bad games than good ones this season. We've little option but to play Bruno at left back so for me Collins in for Batth is the obvious change. If Edwards has trained well then him in for Smith could happen. Suspect we will actually get the same eleven tomorrow as last week though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2020 8:45:35 GMT
Chester really struggled in the air versus QPR, and this is one of Cardiff's strengths as well. I'd drop him and play Collins instead, I'd even play Lindsay intead in this game. I still think Chester could come good, but he looks a bit easy to bully in the air so far, just as Indi when played in the centre. And yet he did well in the air v Taylor when we played Charlton No getting away from it our entire back four was a shambles last week, none could complain if they dropped tomorrow however Chester has had one bad game and two good ones, Batth has more bad games than good ones this season. We've little option but to play Bruno at left back so for me Collins in for Batth is the obvious change. If Edwards has trained well then him in for Smith could happen. Suspect we will actually get the same eleven tomorrow as last week though. Anyways, Batth is our best defender in the air when Ryan is out injured, we'll certainly need him today! As said it's early days for Chester and I think he'll come good, but he's been out injured and he hasn't played too much for Villa either so it's always a question of when to give him a rest I guess? He is a small central defender and Cardiff look a very old fashioned Championship team with a lot of high balls put into the box, I'd give him a rest today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2020 8:58:39 GMT
And yet he did well in the air v Taylor when we played Charlton No getting away from it our entire back four was a shambles last week, none could complain if they dropped tomorrow however Chester has had one bad game and two good ones, Batth has more bad games than good ones this season. We've little option but to play Bruno at left back so for me Collins in for Batth is the obvious change. If Edwards has trained well then him in for Smith could happen. Suspect we will actually get the same eleven tomorrow as last week though. Anyways, Batth is our best defender in the air when Ryan is out injured, we'll certainly need him today! As said it's early days for Chester and I think he'll come good, but he's been out injured and he hasn't played too much for Villa either so it's always a question of when to give him a rest I guess? He is a small central defender and Cardiff look a very old fashioned Championship team with a lot of high balls put into the box, I'd give him a rest today. Batth is atrocious in the air.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2020 8:59:48 GMT
Anyways, Batth is our best defender in the air when Ryan is out injured, we'll certainly need him today! As said it's early days for Chester and I think he'll come good, but he's been out injured and he hasn't played too much for Villa either so it's always a question of when to give him a rest I guess? He is a small central defender and Cardiff look a very old fashioned Championship team with a lot of high balls put into the box, I'd give him a rest today. Batth is atrocious in the air. No, he isn't! He wins almost everything in the air.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2020 9:03:05 GMT
Batth is atrocious in the air. No, he isn't! He wins almost everything in the air. No he doesn’t. This season he has been awful at all aspects of playing centre back including heading. And when he does win a header it can go anywhere.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2020 9:15:00 GMT
No, he isn't! He wins almost everything in the air. No he doesn’t. This season he has been awful at all aspects of playing centre back including heading. And when he does win a header it can go anywhere. Sometimes I really wonder which games you watch, Bayern!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 22, 2020 9:49:35 GMT
If Collins was untried, I could understand why people have reservations like some had a year ago. But he's shown he can stand up to what gets thrown at him, he's solid in the tackle, and plays well with his feet. He's not afraid to order older players about as he's a natural when it comes to organising the defence. He hasn't let us down in the appearences he's made. Unlike some others I can think of. Re Chester, not good enough for the Prem isn't the same as not being good enough for us in the Champ, only last season he was a regular in a promotion winning side, I'll be honest though, I don't think he likes playing on the left side, he seems a bit uncomfortable at times. Collins has shown he's got something about him but it hasn't been all roses when he's played, dives in to often and easily beaten when he does and has missed a simple header at the back post that lead to a goal so to say he hasn't let us down is a bit of a stretch, but he clearly has potential, I understand why a few are calling for him to start but imo its not time for him yet.
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Post by lordb on Feb 22, 2020 9:50:54 GMT
Anyways, Batth is our best defender in the air when Ryan is out injured, we'll certainly need him today! As said it's early days for Chester and I think he'll come good, but he's been out injured and he hasn't played too much for Villa either so it's always a question of when to give him a rest I guess? He is a small central defender and Cardiff look a very old fashioned Championship team with a lot of high balls put into the box, I'd give him a rest today. Batth is atrocious in the air. Weirdly he has games where he completely dominant in the air and others (far too many) where he is shocking, more than once he's let the ball bounce for no reason.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2020 10:24:59 GMT
Batth is atrocious in the air. Weirdly he has games where he completely dominant in the air and others (far too many) where he is shocking, more than once he's let the ball bounce for no reason. The ball bouncing is the one that gets me. He does it all the time. But it’s something more defenders are doing. Which if you’re a good footballer and fast then I can get. If you’re Danny Batth just head the fucking thing back from whence it came.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2020 10:26:09 GMT
No he doesn’t. This season he has been awful at all aspects of playing centre back including heading. And when he does win a header it can go anywhere. Sometimes I really wonder which games you watch, Bayern! The ones where he’s ducking out of headers, getting beat in the air by the shortest players on the pitch, letting the ball bounce and generally looking like a walking disaster zone.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 22, 2020 10:32:36 GMT
Batth is atrocious in the air. No, he isn't! He wins almost everything in the air. He might as well not do though. He has got such a sheriff’s badge for a head it could go anywhere. And generally does. Apart from a couple of decent games he’s been abysmal. He rolls his sleeves up to show off his guns really nicely though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2020 12:01:41 GMT
Sometimes I really wonder which games you watch, Bayern! The ones where he’s ducking out of headers, getting beat in the air by the shortest players on the pitch, letting the ball bounce and generally looking like a walking disaster zone.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2020 12:04:21 GMT
No, he isn't! He wins almost everything in the air. He might as well not do though. He has got such a sheriff’s badge for a head it could go anywhere. And generally does. Apart from a couple of decent games he’s been abysmal. He rolls his sleeves up to show off his guns really nicely though. Despite what you're saying he is the defender who wins the header and gets the ball away from the dangerzone most of the times among our players.
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Post by tomcmod on Feb 22, 2020 12:07:28 GMT
Sometimes I really wonder which games you watch, Bayern! The ones where he’s ducking out of headers, getting beat in the air by the shortest players on the pitch, letting the ball bounce and generally looking like a walking disaster zone. I agree with Bayern, this does happen in games a lot. Baath will then have a random game where he wins a majority of headers and then he loses out to someone 5ft 8 next game. When he does head the ball it can literally go anywhere too, probably one of the worse for getting it where it should go. On an attacking front, the amount of free headers he's had from corners and he struggles to even hit the target.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 22, 2020 12:11:04 GMT
Anyways, Batth is our best defender in the air when Ryan is out injured, we'll certainly need him today! As said it's early days for Chester and I think he'll come good, but he's been out injured and he hasn't played too much for Villa either so it's always a question of when to give him a rest I guess? He is a small central defender and Cardiff look a very old fashioned Championship team with a lot of high balls put into the box, I'd give him a rest today. Batth is atrocious in the air. Absolute balls that Bayern. He has his faults and doesnt always track his runners at corners but when he goes to challenge for the ball in the air he always wins it. Hes just too slow and can get turned easily, but winning headers is basically his main strength
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 22, 2020 12:16:38 GMT
In terms of winning headers he’s 9th in the League per 90 mins for CBs,(minimum 15 games) his ratio of around 66% is pretty similar to everyone else too. However he’s also 9th in the league for losing the ball, which is a mix of him bunting it long and his aimless headers into touch etc. It’s telling that Batth and Lindsay are 2 and 3 for inaccurate long balls and Batth is 9th worst again for inaccurate short passes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 12:19:27 GMT
I don't know what point Diouf proves to you. He's got a 100% record this season. One GA, one goal. Of course that's because he's only played scarce minutes. Your point of the trap is exactly the arguments some oatcakers were using not to play Campbell. Then he played and then what happened? I was thinking more 1 goal in 32 games but hey He hasn't played 32 games. He hasn't even played one game of 90 minutes, but our manager must think he has better players. Do you happen to know who they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 12:24:27 GMT
Weirdly he has games where he completely dominant in the air and others (far too many) where he is shocking, more than once he's let the ball bounce for no reason. The ball bouncing is the one that gets me. He does it all the time. But it’s something more defenders are doing. Which if you’re a good footballer and fast then I can get. If you’re Danny Batth just head the fucking thing back from whence it came. That's part of the problem. Not a lot of thought goes into where he places the ball whether by head or feet. Most of the time it goes straight to an opponent, which means he and the rest of the defence/team are straight back into trouble just seconds later.
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