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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 16, 2020 9:05:14 GMT
Are we not planning to bring back Souttar, does he not deserve his chance after a good loan spell at Fleetwood?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 9:14:15 GMT
Baffled at Lindsay playing over Collins. Lindsay sprints out from the back for no reason and leaves huge gaps, he's one of the worst I've seen for a while. Collins and Shawcross for me all day Because Lindsay is left footed and Collins right
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Post by nonameface on Jan 16, 2020 9:18:41 GMT
Are we not planning to bring back Souttar, does he not deserve his chance after a good loan spell at Fleetwood? Think this depends upon people going out the door first. Chances of getting decent offers for Lindsay and Batth?
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Post by jimmygscfc1958 on Jan 16, 2020 9:46:27 GMT
Baffled at Lindsay playing over Collins. Lindsay sprints out from the back for no reason and leaves huge gaps, he's one of the worst I've seen for a while. Collins and Shawcross for me all day Because Lindsay is left footed and Collins right Bruno is left footed too and if we had a decent left back he gives us an option there too.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 16, 2020 9:51:25 GMT
"Every player can be sold though" - really? Are you sure about that? There are hundreds of players (thousands if you include Europe) who are transferred on free transfers every season - and by no means all of them are at or near the end of their contracts. The problem with many of our "unsellable" players is their wages. If they were on £10K a week I have no doubt that we would have found someone to take them off our hands at a low price - a price which would often be a huge loss on what we paid for them. But that is not the case with players who are on £30K plus a week. Potential buying clubs may seek a cut price deal from us which reflects the fact that they can't cut the mustard in a team at the bottom end of the Championship. They might even get a cut price deal from us IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE WAGES SOME OF THOSE PLAYERS ARE ON. We have players who cost us a fortune and who can't cut the mustard in the Championship but they are on wages which reflect the fact that they cost us a fortune. Even those who took a wage cut after relegation, are still on £1000s a week more than bottom end Championship players or Div 1 players are generally paid. The only way we could sell some of our players is if we paid a HUGE chunk of their wages until the date their contract with us would expire if they stayed with us.That's why so many of our overpriced high earners go out on loan for year after year - it is the only realistic option open to us. If we simply paid up their contracts and let them go - we'd certainly get rid of all of the one who are now out on loan. But the losses would be so great that the FFP penalty would be so big that we'd almost certainly be relegated. Not read the entire thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned but when we signed Michael Duberry he was on 22k and Leeds were paying 18k? Maybe dreamt it? That's what I thought. Didn't we used to sing 'he plays for us, he's paid by you' whenever we played Leeds when they were going down the financial shitter and we were starting on an upwards curve?
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Post by madeleystokie on Jan 16, 2020 13:13:42 GMT
Baffled at Lindsay playing over Collins. Lindsay sprints out from the back for no reason and leaves huge gaps, he's one of the worst I've seen for a while. Collins and Shawcross for me all day Because Lindsay is left footed and Collins right Correct. That's why I see Collins as a long term successor to Shawcross. Though Souttar should be in the mix too, to be fair. It means we ought to flog Batth in the Summer when Souttar comes back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 13:32:04 GMT
Because Lindsay is left footed and Collins right Correct. That's why I see Collins as a long term successor to Shawcross. Though Souttar should be in the mix too, to be fair. It means we ought to flog Batth in the Summer when Souttar comes back. After some of Batth’s displays this season, and his ducking of a header at a corner be Millwall, I’ve often hoped that Stoke would flog him, preferably in public so we could all jeer and laugh during!
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Post by madeleystokie on Jan 17, 2020 15:36:37 GMT
Yeah, Powell was furious with Batth after that. Just watch the highlights and you can see his reaction!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 17, 2020 18:22:10 GMT
Pretty sure he got a shout, he may be shit but he isn't that shit.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 17, 2020 18:23:39 GMT
Batth is wank.
There is no good reason not to play Collins right now
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 17, 2020 19:04:13 GMT
Batth is wank. There is no good reason not to play Collins right now Do you mean O'Neil thinks Batth is a better option than Collins at the moment (in which case you think he isn't a very good judge of a player despite seeing both of them regularly in training) or he thinks Collins is better than Batth but is playing Batth for the hell of it (in which case he's a bit bonkers). I tend to think O'Neil is a decent judge of a player and thinks at the moment Batth is the safer option. Which, given our position, is a very good reason for Batth playing rather than Collins. Longer term - in particular when relegation isn't an immediate concern - I fully expect Collins to get the nod.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 17, 2020 19:07:04 GMT
Batth is wank. There is no good reason not to play Collins right now Do you mean O'Neil thinks Batth is a better option than Collins at the moment (in which case you think he isn't a very good judge of a player despite seeing both of them regularly in training) or he thinks Collins is better than Batth but is playing Batth for the hell of it (in which case he's a bit bonkers). I tend to think O'Neil is a decent judge of a player and thinks at the moment Batth is the safer option. Which, given our position, is a very good reason for Batth playing rather than Collins. Longer term - in particular when relegation isn't an immediate concern - I fully expect Collins to get the nod. I think O'Neill is a good manager, and is going to be great for our club, but will be getting this call very wrong if he keeps playing Batth instead of playing Collins.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 19:42:26 GMT
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Post by datguy on Jan 17, 2020 20:00:29 GMT
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 17, 2020 20:39:56 GMT
What's gutting is all of those listed teams are in top 6 if their divisions, yet we languish at the bottom, just goes to show how shit we are when we do have to defend and how many stupid needless goals weve let in
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 16:41:52 GMT
Batth is wank. There is no good reason not to play Collins right now Do you mean O'Neil thinks Batth is a better option than Collins at the moment (in which case you think he isn't a very good judge of a player despite seeing both of them regularly in training) or he thinks Collins is better than Batth but is playing Batth for the hell of it (in which case he's a bit bonkers). I tend to think O'Neil is a decent judge of a player and thinks at the moment Batth is the safer option. Which, given our position, is a very good reason for Batth playing rather than Collins. Longer term - in particular when relegation isn't an immediate concern - I fully expect Collins to get the nod. Batth is utter rot.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 25, 2020 17:11:36 GMT
Collins called in again for the last 10 minutes ,that says something
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 25, 2020 17:13:23 GMT
Yes and made a big defensive header at the back post, was shouting cajoling and organising.
Very impressive young player.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 17:23:17 GMT
Yes and made a big defensive header at the back post, was shouting cajoling and organising. Very impressive young player. Yep 1st thing he did was start organising , he's not short of self belief that's for sure
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 17:29:14 GMT
Do you mean O'Neil thinks Batth is a better option than Collins at the moment (in which case you think he isn't a very good judge of a player despite seeing both of them regularly in training) or he thinks Collins is better than Batth but is playing Batth for the hell of it (in which case he's a bit bonkers). I tend to think O'Neil is a decent judge of a player and thinks at the moment Batth is the safer option. Which, given our position, is a very good reason for Batth playing rather than Collins. Longer term - in particular when relegation isn't an immediate concern - I fully expect Collins to get the nod. Batth is utter rot. For much of the season certainly, though he’s had a blinder for the last two games. I like that Collins is getting more first team exposure also.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 25, 2020 17:36:42 GMT
We're on the up and I think we'll be clear of the relegation zone by the end of February. Hopefully then we can give Collins, Verlinden and Tyrone Campbell a proper go ahead of next season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 21, 2020 15:39:57 GMT
Michael O'Neill appears to have ruled out the possibility of teenage defender Nathan Collins joining Stoke's relegation battle... just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 15:47:04 GMT
Michael O'Neill appears to have ruled out the possibility of teenage defender Nathan Collins joining Stoke's relegation battle... just yet. O'Neill contradicts himself somewhat there
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Post by kustokie on Feb 21, 2020 16:43:25 GMT
Michael O'Neill appears to have ruled out the possibility of teenage defender Nathan Collins joining Stoke's relegation battle... just yet. I’d rather see Martins Indi alongside Chester, but we don’t have a left back, unless we play Clucas. Then we have to start Cousins. Not many choices even though we have a big squad - a big squad of misfits. i can see him making a change if Ba’ath has another howler.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 16:49:15 GMT
I think some are falling Into the trap of those who aren't playing are the answer. I like Collins but to simply think he'll come in and all will be better doesn't convince me. Some calling for Diouf proves the pointW. We've seen some great defensive displays at say West Brom and some awful ones like last week. Personally thought last week we missed McClean tracking back and were exposed that flank. We"ve lost two games just need to get back on track tomorrow.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 21, 2020 17:07:14 GMT
People are just going to have to accept that Collins is it co soldered relevant this season unless we get multiple injuries . Personally i get it and think Ryan’s ability to feature or not is the key to our survival . One thing s for sure 3 defeats this week and we are In desperate . Desperate trouble looking at the fixtures and Wigan away on the horizon
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Post by lordb on Feb 21, 2020 17:13:35 GMT
People are just going to have to accept that Collins is it co soldered relevant this season unless we get multiple injuries . Personally i get it and think Ryan’s ability to feature or not is the key to our survival . One thing s for sure 3 defeats this week and we are In desperate . Desperate trouble looking at the fixtures and Wigan away on the horizon The key to survival is the proven ability of this manager to win every other game. Really can't see any of the bottom three getting 46 points, can't see us getting less than 50. However we don't draw many so we will get some horrible defeats.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 21, 2020 17:24:12 GMT
It's a big mistake carrying on with Batth, or Lindsay.
Big mistake. We lose nothing by blooding Collins, he will make mistakes, but no more than those two dick heads do every time they play
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 17:35:10 GMT
Michael O'Neill appears to have ruled out the possibility of teenage defender Nathan Collins joining Stoke's relegation battle... just yet. Quite ridiculous comments in all honesty. It's experienced players that have got us into this mess. Campbell has been a revelation up front and has shown the 'experience' in that department right up. Is he seriously suggesting that Baath, Lindsay and Chester are THAT much better than Collins?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 21, 2020 18:05:16 GMT
Michael O'Neill appears to have ruled out the possibility of teenage defender Nathan Collins joining Stoke's relegation battle... just yet. Quite ridiculous comments in all honesty. It's experienced players that have got us into this mess. Campbell has been a revelation up front and has shown the 'experience' in that department right up. Is he seriously suggesting that Baath, Lindsay and Chester are THAT much better than Collins? Chester has been a regular solid player at this level, yet to really find his feet for us but if he isn't better than Collins then I'd be worried. Lindsay you could have an argument for but did show some improvement before he got dropped and Baath, well, he's very hit an miss with which version of him turns up.
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