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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 4, 2020 22:26:26 GMT
Batth for me, he makes more mistakes than Lyndsey Eh? Lindsey is an appalling excuse for a defender He's been better than Batth in recent games.
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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2020 22:41:30 GMT
Batth for me, he makes more mistakes than Lyndsey Eh? Lindsey is an appalling excuse for a defender He has been at times for sure, other games he's looked steady. Only 22 Batth has been hugely disappointing this season. Lyndsey might get better,Batth won't Shawcross and Collins ideally please mind Souttar back too please Lyndsey as fourth choice... acceptable U think.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 4, 2020 22:53:05 GMT
Eh? Lindsey is an appalling excuse for a defender He's been better than Batth in recent games. I disagree mate, i think he had been awful and his distribution is tge worst i have seen for a very ling time
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jan 4, 2020 22:55:51 GMT
He's been better than Batth in recent games. I disagree mate, i think he had been awful and his distribution is tge worst i have seen for a very ling time I have to completely disagree. Batth is terrible. No idea really, just knocks it long, usually out almost certainly aimlessly. Lindsay, whilst hasn't been anywhere near perfect, plays a ball with an intention.
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Post by dioufsboots on Jan 4, 2020 23:01:32 GMT
Eh? Lindsey is an appalling excuse for a defender He has been at times for sure, other games he's looked steady. Only 22 Batth has been hugely disappointing this season. Lyndsey might get better,Batth won't Shawcross and Collins ideally please mind Souttar back too please Lyndsey as fourth choice... acceptable U think. I agree lindsey over batth tbh was a good player at barnsley hes younger will improve hes a bit quicker better on the ball and probably a bit better in the air as well got admit as looked poor at times though
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 4, 2020 23:17:30 GMT
For me Lindsay is a very poor defender who is prone to panicking. He’s a liability waiting to happen, last choice for me.
Ok at winning aerial duels but even under little pressure he usually heads it straight back to the opposition
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 4, 2020 23:22:06 GMT
He's been better than Batth in recent games. I disagree mate, i think he had been awful and his distribution is tge worst i have seen for a very ling time Worse than Batth? He needs to lose the Stones effect I agree, seems to think he can do more with the ball than he can but Batth hasn't even been able to do the basics, I really think Lindsay has improved in recent weeks, I don't see a reason to drop him just yet imo.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 4, 2020 23:26:28 GMT
This is an argument on a par with who was nicer Hitler or Stalin. Both absolute crap.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 4, 2020 23:56:47 GMT
Sorry but why do we need another cb in? We have 5 already. The squad needs to be chopped, not added to. If we sell 1 of the 5 then get Souttar back. A left back is about the only player I would like to see. If Allen goes then a CM also. Batth is rubbish bruno cannot really be bothered and probably is and should be going this window, would like see them both go and another come in also puts collins closer to the first team as well,,left back is an absolute must but yeh if we do not shift a shed load of players maybe thats all we will see But it's not like Champ manager mate, you can't stick them on the transfer list and sell them the next day. Batth for me is the worst defender I've seen for stoke in a good 15-18 years. I don't rate Lindsey either but we are stuck with them. Whether we rate them or not, we can't afford to have 6 or 7 centre halves in the squad. 4 or 5 is enough.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 5, 2020 0:00:33 GMT
At one point today, from a long kick from their keeper Lindsay watched the ball dropping, jumped for the header and was two yards away from the ball.
He's fucking wank and can't do the basics.
He can fuck off, like most of the squad. I'm sure O'Neill won't hesitate to let him go if someone comes in for him.
Collins is much better than Lindsay or Batth and should have been playing all season
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Post by dioufsboots on Jan 5, 2020 0:15:52 GMT
Batth is rubbish bruno cannot really be bothered and probably is and should be going this window, would like see them both go and another come in also puts collins closer to the first team as well,,left back is an absolute must but yeh if we do not shift a shed load of players maybe thats all we will see But it's not like Champ manager mate, you can't stick them on the transfer list and sell them the next day. Batth for me is the worst defender I've seen for stoke in a good 15-18 years. I don't rate Lindsey either but we are stuck with them. Whether we rate them or not, we can't afford to have 6 or 7 centre halves in the squad. 4 or 5 is enough. Not saying its like champ manager,every player can be sold though or are you saying there aint a club that would want bruno or batth ? them 2 out and a loan centre back in this window aint impossible
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 5, 2020 9:29:15 GMT
When all fit it should be
Smith Collins shawcross bruno
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 5, 2020 9:33:17 GMT
But it's not like Champ manager mate, you can't stick them on the transfer list and sell them the next day. Batth for me is the worst defender I've seen for stoke in a good 15-18 years. I don't rate Lindsey either but we are stuck with them. Whether we rate them or not, we can't afford to have 6 or 7 centre halves in the squad. 4 or 5 is enough. Not saying its like champ manager,e very player can be sold though or are you saying there aint a club that would want bruno or batth ? them 2 out and a loan centre back in this window aint impossible "Every player can be sold though" - really? Are you sure about that? There are hundreds of players (thousands if you include Europe) who are transferred on free transfers every season - and by no means all of them are at or near the end of their contracts. The problem with many of our "unsellable" players is their wages. If they were on £10K a week I have no doubt that we would have found someone to take them off our hands at a low price - a price which would often be a huge loss on what we paid for them. But that is not the case with players who are on £30K plus a week. Potential buying clubs may seek a cut price deal from us which reflects the fact that they can't cut the mustard in a team at the bottom end of the Championship. They might even get a cut price deal from us IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE WAGES SOME OF THOSE PLAYERS ARE ON. We have players who cost us a fortune and who can't cut the mustard in the Championship but they are on wages which reflect the fact that they cost us a fortune. Even those who took a wage cut after relegation, are still on £1000s a week more than bottom end Championship players or Div 1 players are generally paid. The only way we could sell some of our players is if we paid a HUGE chunk of their wages until the date their contract with us would expire if they stayed with us. That's why so many of our overpriced high earners go out on loan for year after year - it is the only realistic option open to us. If we simply paid up their contracts and let them go - we'd certainly get rid of all of the one who are now out on loan. But the losses would be so great that the FFP penalty would be so big that we'd almost certainly be relegated.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 5, 2020 9:37:49 GMT
It was quite obvious & also frightening how bad the trio of Lindsay,Edwards & Ince were
Dear Hearts Of Midlothian....Please take these 3 players off us for the combined price of £5000 & a few back issue of Razzle
Your Sincerely....
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Post by westyorkspotter on Jan 5, 2020 9:43:13 GMT
Baath is terrible - looks like a sunday league defender. I have not seen a central defender let the ball bounce as often as him. I think it was the Sheffield Wednesday where they punted it long near the end of the game, he stood waiting where he thought it was dropping and it bounced two meters to his left.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 5, 2020 9:43:52 GMT
Let's face it, both Lindsey and Baath are terrible defenders, we shouln't be deciding which one should play, they both need fecking off and replaced. Ryan is going to be in and out through injuries, so Collins should play with a new signing, or be back up to 2 new signings.
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Post by s7oke on Jan 5, 2020 9:48:59 GMT
It was quite obvious & also frightening how bad the trio of Lindsay,Edwards & Ince were Dear Hearts Of Midlothian....Please take these 3 players off us for the combined price of £5000 & a few back issue of Razzle Your Sincerely.... Ince is rubbish Edwards has played a lot better so must have it in him to get back to that standard Lindsay has a few ricketts in him but may improve as 3 choice centre half and is still young there are a lot worse out there Batth has to go for me and he will be the more expensive I would assume wages wise So hearts if you want Ince just 3 back issues of razzle will do and I will drive him up myself
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 5, 2020 12:07:26 GMT
But it's not like Champ manager mate, you can't stick them on the transfer list and sell them the next day. Batth for me is the worst defender I've seen for stoke in a good 15-18 years. I don't rate Lindsey either but we are stuck with them. Whether we rate them or not, we can't afford to have 6 or 7 centre halves in the squad. 4 or 5 is enough. Not saying its like champ manager,every player can be sold though or are you saying there aint a club that would want bruno or batth ? them 2 out and a loan centre back in this window aint impossible It would absolutely be very difficult to sell either and for sure both for a decent fee to a club that can afford their wages. Something would have to give which is why loans tend to be the best we can muster up. Didn't he make bruno captain yesterday? I can't see him going anywhere. A left back and probably a centre mid is all we will get. Maybe a hot shot loan if we can return Duffy and hogan.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 5, 2020 12:17:51 GMT
We should be aiming to start next season with Collins, n'goy, verlinden and campbell all on lengthy contracts as main stays in the team. 4 promising players with a long term scfc future
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 15, 2020 20:05:14 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 15, 2020 20:10:38 GMT
I think young Collins has caught the eye of the manager. I’m sure he will force his way in soon and once he does there will be no turning back for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 20:12:36 GMT
We should be aiming to start next season with Collins, n'goy, verlinden and campbell all on lengthy contracts as main stays in the team. 4 promising players with a long term scfc future Add to that players like Souttar, Jarvis, Sorensen and Dunwoody, who should be given the opportunity to prove themselves also, maybe not as first team regulars, but as part of the squad.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 15, 2020 20:23:53 GMT
We should be aiming to start next season with Collins, n'goy, verlinden and campbell all on lengthy contracts as main stays in the team. 4 promising players with a long term scfc future Add to that players like Souttar, Jarvis, Sorensen and Dunwoody, who should be given the opportunity to prove themselves also, maybe not as first team regulars, but as part of the squad. All of these players need to be part of the squad next year. Need to get the academy and first team joined up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 20:28:36 GMT
Add to that players like Souttar, Jarvis, Sorensen and Dunwoody, who should be given the opportunity to prove themselves also, maybe not as first team regulars, but as part of the squad. All of these players need to be part of the squad next year. Need to get the academy and first team joined up. Couldn’t agree more. Jones was a dreadful decision overall. The lack of points is one thing, but to remove so many opportunities for young players in this division was just foolish. Can’t see any real work instead of sales until next Jan because of it.
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Post by theblackdeath on Jan 15, 2020 20:44:01 GMT
First choice should be 2 out of shawcross BMI and Collins with a propper left back bought in or give Tymon another chance
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Post by Godo on Jan 15, 2020 20:56:08 GMT
More mobile and concentrates better than Batth, much better passer and more composed than Lindsey. I believe we are benefitting from a settled back 4 but he should be part of that 4.....
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Post by markytcd on Jan 15, 2020 21:19:15 GMT
Not saying its like champ manager,e very player can be sold though or are you saying there aint a club that would want bruno or batth ? them 2 out and a loan centre back in this window aint impossible "Every player can be sold though" - really? Are you sure about that? There are hundreds of players (thousands if you include Europe) who are transferred on free transfers every season - and by no means all of them are at or near the end of their contracts. The problem with many of our "unsellable" players is their wages. If they were on £10K a week I have no doubt that we would have found someone to take them off our hands at a low price - a price which would often be a huge loss on what we paid for them. But that is not the case with players who are on £30K plus a week. Potential buying clubs may seek a cut price deal from us which reflects the fact that they can't cut the mustard in a team at the bottom end of the Championship. They might even get a cut price deal from us IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE WAGES SOME OF THOSE PLAYERS ARE ON. We have players who cost us a fortune and who can't cut the mustard in the Championship but they are on wages which reflect the fact that they cost us a fortune. Even those who took a wage cut after relegation, are still on £1000s a week more than bottom end Championship players or Div 1 players are generally paid. The only way we could sell some of our players is if we paid a HUGE chunk of their wages until the date their contract with us would expire if they stayed with us.That's why so many of our overpriced high earners go out on loan for year after year - it is the only realistic option open to us. If we simply paid up their contracts and let them go - we'd certainly get rid of all of the one who are now out on loan. But the losses would be so great that the FFP penalty would be so big that we'd almost certainly be relegated. Not read the entire thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned but when we signed Michael Duberry he was on 22k and Leeds were paying 18k? Maybe dreamt it?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 15, 2020 21:52:55 GMT
Collins is a fantastic player. I’d prefer him starting to Batth or Lindsay, sure he’ll make some mistakes but he’s a fantastic talent that we should encourage and nurture.
He an really down to earth friendly bloke as well 👍
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 15, 2020 22:10:06 GMT
Collins is a fantastic player. I’d prefer him starting to Batth or Lindsay, sure he’ll make some mistakes but he’s a fantastic talent that we should encourage and nurture. He an really down to earth friendly bloke as well 👍 You can see why the manager might be tempted to stick with what is working though, goals against have dried up considerably. btw I think Collins is a real talent.
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Post by teagles05 on Jan 15, 2020 23:00:18 GMT
Baffled at Lindsay playing over Collins. Lindsay sprints out from the back for no reason and leaves huge gaps, he's one of the worst I've seen for a while.
Collins and Shawcross for me all day
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